It was a consortium which included Thomas Speck whose company Arenacom builds and operates stadia. And seems to do it well. His name was in the public arena at the time so I am not breaking a confidence there. I met him, and if anyone could persuade me to believe in a move to the Pen, it might have been him. But he does not have the money. It was the money man (whom I did not meet) that I felt uneasy about. And he exited. The bid would never have gone through.
Personally think she's poison and the sooner her and RD leave the better
Yep, get shot of them right now. All those other multi-billionaires out there that want to buy us up will have a bidding war.
Or we'll have to go into admin and end up being bought cheap and having to do a saints esque full rebuild from the lower teirs of the game.
So we should settle for what ever Roly wants to do and just accept it because no one else will buy us?
I just don't think we have given Roland a proper chance.
Would Slater and Jiminez have been better than this?
They ran out of cash. Sorry I don't understand - why are our only ownership options Roland or Tony and Mike? You seem absolutely convinced that there is no other individual or group out there that has the means and the desire to own this club - how can you be so sure?
Because no one else had (as far as we are aware) submitted any kind of serious bid to rival Duchatelet's.
Maybe we are a more attractive option, now we are in free fall again having lost 4 of the last 6 and gaining 7 points from the last 10 games.
We know the American Josh Harris was interested. The likes of us only find out about any interest when it's at a very advanced stage. Like I said before, you've got absolutely no foundation for claiming (or implying) that there are no interested buyers lurking in the shadows.
From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.
but they also told me wrong information on the manager.
but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "
Take from that what you will
and how would they know she is worse than RD? He's hardly a presence at Charlton and I'd bet that on a working, day to day contact basis they have had no actual dealings with him.
It was a consortium which included Thomas Speck whose company Arenacom builds and operates stadia. And seems to do it well. His name was in the public arena at the time so I am not breaking a confidence there. I met him, and if anyone could persuade me to believe in a move to the Pen, it might have been him. But he does not have the money. It was the money man (whom I did not meet) that I felt uneasy about. And he exited. The bid would never have gone through.
Personally think she's poison and the sooner her and RD leave the better
Yep, get shot of them right now. All those other multi-billionaires out there that want to buy us up will have a bidding war.
Or we'll have to go into admin and end up being bought cheap and having to do a saints esque full rebuild from the lower teirs of the game.
So we should settle for what ever Roly wants to do and just accept it because no one else will buy us?
I just don't think we have given Roland a proper chance.
Would Slater and Jiminez have been better than this?
They ran out of cash. Sorry I don't understand - why are our only ownership options Roland or Tony and Mike? You seem absolutely convinced that there is no other individual or group out there that has the means and the desire to own this club - how can you be so sure?
Because no one else had (as far as we are aware) submitted any kind of serious bid to rival Duchatelet's.
Maybe we are a more attractive option, now we are in free fall again having lost 4 of the last 6 and gaining 7 points from the last 10 games.
We know the American Josh Harris was interested. The likes of us only find out about any interest when it's at a very advanced stage. Like I said before, you've got absolutely no foundation for claiming (or implying) that there are no interested buyers lurking in the shadows.
I may have implied there were no multi-billionaires.
I didn't imply there were no interested buyers at all.
From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.
but they also told me wrong information on the manager.
but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "
Take from that what you will
Fair enough and don't doubt you but not what I've been told by numerous people who work at the club. The staff I've spoken to hold her in high regard.
I was one of the ones who emailed her when the appointment was made on the Tuesday. I wasn't rude, just pointed out that I felt very disillusioned by the way the club was going and that I had had a season ticket for over 40 years. 10 days later I have never received the courtesy of a response.
Having probably spent well over £20K on CAFC over my time supporting them I find this disappointing to say the least. To me, it sums up what KM thinks of us fans. She can hardly blame RD or being 'miss-understood' for simply ignoring incoming correspondence.
I have emailed her on two separate subjects and not even received an acknowledgement, I didn't expect her to reply directly but she could have passed my queries to someone to answer or even sent a go away reply, but to ignore fans when she says she wishes to engage with us is another "misunderstanding"
I sent her an e mail on Monday asking if she would prefer Roses, Pansies or Violas, but so far I've had no reply, so the flower stall in Woolwich as had no business from myself.
From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.
but they also told me wrong information on the manager.
but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "
Take from that what you will
Fair enough and don't doubt you but not what I've been told by numerous people who work at the club. The staff I've spoken to hold her in high regard.
Yes, she is well liked. That is not the same as being competent, as you should have learned with Mr Waggott.
It was a consortium which included Thomas Speck whose company Arenacom builds and operates stadia. And seems to do it well. His name was in the public arena at the time so I am not breaking a confidence there. I met him, and if anyone could persuade me to believe in a move to the Pen, it might have been him. But he does not have the money. It was the money man (whom I did not meet) that I felt uneasy about. And he exited. The bid would never have gone through.
so there wasn't a bid then
No, nothing concrete from them. They wanted to do due diligence. That was understandable, but RD might in the meantime have gone away. And as it turned out, their own moneyman went away. These guys were adamant to me that Harris never bid either, and it is interesting that he now seems to be fannying around with Palace too.
There used to be an email address 'customerservice@cafc.co.uk' or something similar, that once someone was made redundant it wasn't picked up for about 9 months.
When I worked there and discovered this, I set up a divert to myself and used to field responses to relevant areas, logging every query in a spreadsheet. (as well as direct emails / phone calls to CEO's office) and I was bcc'd on every response so i could log whether it was resolved or not.
After I was made redundant and did my handover I have no idea whether it was continued in the same way - although I know general queries were picked up by someone else who is still there as far as I know. No idea on the spreadsheet follow up etc or logging of responses.
If KM gets half the amount of emails that PV/SW used to get - she'll need someway of filtering them out to the relevant person (that doesn't involve working 24 hours).
That said, people should try to contact the relevant person instead of going straight to the CEO of a company - although I think it is perhaps less clear who is responsible for what these days so understand why people do go direct to her. Next time you have a query about your bank account - would you email the CEO of your bank to sort it?
No, but in my experience most people's first port of call if there is a problem with their season ticket is the ticket office. There will always be some people who think that they should write to the chairman or chief executive in the first instance, as there are people who dial 999 as a first resort, but if people take the trouble to write on a matter of policy then they ought to be getting an acknowledgement from the club. That's just courtesy.
I expect the fact people are not getting a response is lack of resource rather than intended discourtesy, but I know for a fact it extends not just to fans but to people working at the club.
I agree that there will always be people that will write to senior people. I totally agree there should be an acknowledgement - that's why i set up the above system.
Agree that resource is the problem, maybe this will change now that KM has a PA?
From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.
but they also told me wrong information on the manager.
but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "
Take from that what you will
and how would they know she is worse than RD? He's hardly a presence at Charlton and I'd bet that on a working, day to day contact basis they have had no actual dealings with him.
Ever heard of this amazing thing... its called .. EMAIL
day to day emails with RD due to the responsibilities they have due to their role means there is a fair share of contact
From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.
but they also told me wrong information on the manager.
but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "
Take from that what you will
Fair enough and don't doubt you but not what I've been told by numerous people who work at the club. The staff I've spoken to hold her in high regard.
Yes, she is well liked. That is not the same as being competent, as you should have learned with Mr Waggott.
I said she was held in high regard.
I can no more comment on her competence than you can because neither of us are working for her.
It was a consortium which included Thomas Speck whose company Arenacom builds and operates stadia. And seems to do it well. His name was in the public arena at the time so I am not breaking a confidence there. I met him, and if anyone could persuade me to believe in a move to the Pen, it might have been him. But he does not have the money. It was the money man (whom I did not meet) that I felt uneasy about. And he exited. The bid would never have gone through.
so there wasn't a bid then
No, nothing concrete from them. They wanted to do due diligence. That was understandable, but RD might in the meantime have gone away. And as it turned out, their own moneyman went away. These guys were adamant to me that Harris never bid either, and it is interesting that he now seems to be fannying around with Palace too.
When you are young and inexperienced in a demanding role you tend to exhibit your insecurity by being arrogant and come across as a know it all.
If you big yourself up then haters gonna get you when you make mistakes.
If she had said nothing to the nationals then the Luzon debacle would have been far less damaging. She saw it as a profile building opportunity I have no doubt about that she is happy to blow her own trumpet. That was foolish because last week should not have been about KM.
Feel a bit sorry for her but not that much cause she needs to learn humility.
Some of the errors on the admin and press release wordings cause me more concern because that should be her forte.
I've done it myself but she needs to realise her personal career means not much to her stake holders and that the club comes first. It's hard in practice because we all have an ego but ego gets you nowhere unless you have complete control of all your decisions.
This is just my opinion on how she comes across in her role publicly not at all claiming anything about her character.
From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.
but they also told me wrong information on the manager.
but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "
Take from that what you will
Fair enough and don't doubt you but not what I've been told by numerous people who work at the club. The staff I've spoken to hold her in high regard.
Yes, she is well liked. That is not the same as being competent, as you should have learned with Mr Waggott.
I said she was held in high regard.
I can no more comment on her competence than you can because neither of us are working for her.
I saw this just as I was posting and of course I disagree because I believe stake holders can comment on anyone at C suite level. It's part of the role.
The handling of the sacking was not competent in my opinion.
Personally think she's poison and the sooner her and RD leave the better
Yep, get shot of them right now. All those other multi-billionaires out there that want to buy us up will have a bidding war.
Or we'll have to go into admin and end up being bought cheap and having to do a saints esque full rebuild from the lower teirs of the game.
So we should settle for what ever Roly wants to do and just accept it because no one else will buy us?
I just don't think we have given Roland a proper chance.
Would Slater and Jiminez have been better than this?
They ran out of cash. Sorry I don't understand - why are our only ownership options Roland or Tony and Mike? You seem absolutely convinced that there is no other individual or group out there that has the means and the desire to own this club - how can you be so sure?
Because no one else had (as far as we are aware) submitted any kind of serious bid to rival Duchatelet's.
Maybe we are a more attractive option, now we are in free fall again having lost 4 of the last 6 and gaining 7 points from the last 10 games.
We know the American Josh Harris was interested. The likes of us only find out about any interest when it's at a very advanced stage. Like I said before, you've got absolutely no foundation for claiming (or implying) that there are no interested buyers lurking in the shadows.
I may have implied there were no multi-billionaires.
I didn't imply there were no interested buyers at all.
When you are young and inexperienced in a demanding role you tend to exhibit your insecurity by being arrogant and come across as a know it all.
If you big yourself up then haters gonna get you when you make mistakes.
If she had said nothing to the nationals then the Luzon debacle would have been far less damaging. She saw it as a profile building opportunity I have no doubt about that she is happy to blow her own trumpet. That was foolish because last week should not have been about KM.
Feel a bit sorry for her but not that much cause she needs to learn humility.
Some of the errors on the admin and press release wordings cause me more concern because that should be her forte.
I've done it myself but she needs to realise her personal career means not much to her stake holders and that the club comes first. It's hard in practice because we all have an ego but ego gets you nowhere unless you have complete control of all your decisions.
This is just my opinion on how she comes across in her role publicly not at all claiming anything about her character.
From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.
but they also told me wrong information on the manager.
but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "
Take from that what you will
Fair enough and don't doubt you but not what I've been told by numerous people who work at the club. The staff I've spoken to hold her in high regard.
Yes, she is well liked. That is not the same as being competent, as you should have learned with Mr Waggott.
I said she was held in high regard.
I can no more comment on her competence than you can because neither of us are working for her.
I saw this just as I was posting and of course I disagree because I believe stake holders can comment on anyone at C suite level. It's part of the role.
The handling of the sacking was not competent in my opinion.
But was that her competence, or lack of, or interference from elsewhere? Without being closer to the events and knowing more of the detail I think it unwise to start questioning someone competence.
Yes, we can and should comment on her actions and their validity but I personally feel that questioning someone's competence goes a lot deeper and can smack of character assassination.
Of course H but I am only talking about competence as a CEO. Interference doesn't cut it at that level.
We would be in a better mood at Sparrows but for the work permit issue. The last thing that was needed was to play the hokey cokey with a manager who isn't proven. Ok that's opinion but I'd say that in an already fragile situation that borders on the word you dont like. It was a farcical way of parachuting Luzon in and they had opportunity to prepare.
Lies half-truths whatever...you are right we don't know the facts. But she certainly seemed to go into BS mode and when you aren't in full control, saying less is more.
One example...slagging off the role of agents to the nationals. Yes we all know the role they play but nothing positive comes out of such a statement and just creates a rod for her back. Until Dudu can provide 1000 players better than Guy Luzon was back in the day then she is going to need to use the very agents she has insulted.
I'd really like to see her move away from talking about the team and players and focus on the admin of the club. That is totally not her fault whatsoever because we have a massive gap in the club.
On another point, seen some talk about how networks don't work but I don't accept the that. The only fundamental flaw in a network of clubs is that fans are one club men. People want to be self contained when it's their football team.
But just because RD refuses to employ any one who knows more than him on the football side in England doesn't mean the notion of a network isn't a good idea financially. Especially where foreign players are still heavily discounted when compared to English equivalents.
I find it ironic that a former socialist firebrand in charge of a multi national network runs it like an autocrat. This is why KM is a good CEO for RDs style, some one else can carry the can but can't change anything about the can they are carrying.
I've a sneaky feeling it's much to do with RD enjoying picking the players and mixing in the circles of trusted agents. He seems too close to the playing side IMO, too willing to trust a selected few and unwilling to deal with outsiders.
RD...you are wanted to play the villain for the next Bond. There is a role for GL as your henchman. You know it makes sense....so concentrate on that and hire some people you can actually delegate authority to.
From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.
but they also told me wrong information on the manager.
but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "
Take from that what you will
Fair enough and don't doubt you but not what I've been told by numerous people who work at the club. The staff I've spoken to hold her in high regard.
Yes, she is well liked. That is not the same as being competent, as you should have learned with Mr Waggott.
I said she was held in high regard.
I can no more comment on her competence than you can because neither of us are working for her.
Apart from the head coach situation, I have to assume she is responsible and accountable for decisions on the non-football side because she is called chief executive. A number of these - programme sellers being one - have been transparently daft.
I'm not ready to say she isn't competent, but the evidence is accumulating against her.
I'll be intrigued to see what is going to change some people's impression of her If anything.
Let's hope RD sells us to someone soon so that we don't have to put up with such an incompetent individual for much longer.
Certain people here think they should be running the club themselves so hopefully one of them will stump up the cash and put him or her self out of the pain they are feeling.
From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.
but they also told me wrong information on the manager.
but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "
Take from that what you will
Fair enough and don't doubt you but not what I've been told by numerous people who work at the club. The staff I've spoken to hold her in high regard.
Yes, she is well liked. That is not the same as being competent, as you should have learned with Mr Waggott.
I said she was held in high regard.
I can no more comment on her competence than you can because neither of us are working for her.
Apart from the head coach situation, I have to assume she is responsible and accountable for decisions on the non-football side because she is called chief executive. A number of these - programme sellers being one - have been transparently daft.
I'm not ready to say she isn't competent, but the evidence is accumulating against her.
I seem to remember a lot of people saying the same about you. Well, you were sacked so you must have been no good at your job was the argument.
That wasn't true then and it isn't necessarily true about KM now.
Just as it wasn't true about Steve "as a CEO he makes a good finance manager" Kavanagh.
I would be tempted to criticise her, but now it's been explained that you can only criticise someone if you are able to buy their business and put yourself in charge I suppose I'd better not.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd be more concerned about the way the club was being run if she spent all day responding to fanmail.
I work for a multi national company with a high profile CEO who will get loads of emails from customers. I would be stunned if any went unanswered. I am confident he doesn't do it, that is why CEO's of multi £'M turnover businesses have support staff.
I really didn't care if the response was generic, one line or whatever. Just some form of acknowledgment would have done.
We may be more 'wedded' as fans but ultimately this is a customer led business, and in the Championship we are important because the revenue the club makes from us does make a difference. To simply ignore a polite email from a customer with 40 years of loyalty seems irresponsible to me.
From inside the club i was told she is worse then RD.
but they also told me wrong information on the manager.
but this is from a working view, "Mate she is far worse then RD trust me, Completely out her range here, She wanted Peeters out was mainly her decision "
Take from that what you will
Fair enough and don't doubt you but not what I've been told by numerous people who work at the club. The staff I've spoken to hold her in high regard.
Yes, she is well liked. That is not the same as being competent, as you should have learned with Mr Waggott.
I said she was held in high regard.
I can no more comment on her competence than you can because neither of us are working for her.
Apart from the head coach situation, I have to assume she is responsible and accountable for decisions on the non-football side because she is called chief executive. A number of these - programme sellers being one - have been transparently daft.
I'm not ready to say she isn't competent, but the evidence is accumulating against her.
I seem to remember a lot of people saying the same about you. Well, you were sacked so you must have been no good at your job was the argument.
That wasn't true then and it isn't necessarily true about KM now.
Just as it wasn't true about Steve "as a CEO he makes a good finance manager" Kavanagh.
Sure, people wanted to draw conclusions about me, especially because some wanted it to be true to suit their own preconceptions, but I'm not sure it could ever realistically have been about competence, particularly since the club had made a statement to the national press about "gross misconduct". As you'll recall, many also insisted on here that Peter Varney and Steve Kavanagh had left amicably, which wasn't exactly an evidence-based approach either.
I KNOW I swore that I wouldn't post again on either this thread or the FF discussion but having read all the above plus the numerous( and valid) posts elsewhere on the site, 2 pieces of "classic" TV/film memories are uppermost in my mind.
No1 is the scene in The Exorcist when the possessed girl's head started spinning around - Tonight, I now know exactly how she must have felt.
And no 2 is that "famous" scene in Dallas when Bobby Ewing emerged from the shower to learn that everything he thought had happened of late was merely a dream.
Isn't that the same thing ab there is more vitriol and discussion about her ability and capabilities due to those who wish them to fail due to their own preconceived ideas and agendas
Same as RD I said I'd give him time and watch the way he does his stuff before I decide if he is good or bad
To run a successful club and business takes time, mistakes and effort
So far I can see all three, and there are also good things and decisions being made
I don't agree with Luzon I don't think it is a good decision I don't know if it's a mistake
What I do know is Powell had to go, from the disruption in the team and the lack of respect shown by BP and the players to BP
It was a consortium which included Thomas Speck whose company Arenacom builds and operates stadia. And seems to do it well. His name was in the public arena at the time so I am not breaking a confidence there. I met him, and if anyone could persuade me to believe in a move to the Pen, it might have been him. But he does not have the money. It was the money man (whom I did not meet) that I felt uneasy about. And he exited. The bid would never have gone through.
so there wasn't a bid then
No, nothing concrete from them. They wanted to do due diligence. That was understandable, but RD might in the meantime have gone away. And as it turned out, their own moneyman went away. These guys were adamant to me that Harris never bid either, and it is interesting that he now seems to be fannying around with Palace too.
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Overall a minimum of one and a half seasons seems fair, So until the end of the season.
I didn't imply there were no interested buyers at all.
day to day emails with RD due to the responsibilities they have due to their role means there is a fair share of contact
I can no more comment on her competence than you can because neither of us are working for her.
If you big yourself up then haters gonna get you when you make mistakes.
If she had said nothing to the nationals then the Luzon debacle would have been far less damaging. She saw it as a profile building opportunity I have no doubt about that she is happy to blow her own trumpet. That was foolish because last week should not have been about KM.
Feel a bit sorry for her but not that much cause she needs to learn humility.
Some of the errors on the admin and press release wordings cause me more concern because that should be her forte.
I've done it myself but she needs to realise her personal career means not much to her stake holders and that the club comes first. It's hard in practice because we all have an ego but ego gets you nowhere unless you have complete control of all your decisions.
This is just my opinion on how she comes across in her role publicly not at all claiming anything about her character. I saw this just as I was posting and of course I disagree because I believe stake holders can comment on anyone at C suite level. It's part of the role.
The handling of the sacking was not competent in my opinion.
Yes, we can and should comment on her actions and their validity but I personally feel that questioning someone's competence goes a lot deeper and can smack of character assassination.
We would be in a better mood at Sparrows but for the work permit issue. The last thing that was needed was to play the hokey cokey with a manager who isn't proven. Ok that's opinion but I'd say that in an already fragile situation that borders on the word you dont like. It was a farcical way of parachuting Luzon in and they had opportunity to prepare.
Lies half-truths whatever...you are right we don't know the facts. But she certainly seemed to go into BS mode and when you aren't in full control, saying less is more.
One example...slagging off the role of agents to the nationals. Yes we all know the role they play but nothing positive comes out of such a statement and just creates a rod for her back. Until Dudu can provide 1000 players better than Guy Luzon was back in the day then she is going to need to use the very agents she has insulted.
I'd really like to see her move away from talking about the team and players and focus on the admin of the club. That is totally not her fault whatsoever because we have a massive gap in the club.
On another point, seen some talk about how networks don't work but I don't accept the that. The only fundamental flaw in a network of clubs is that fans are one club men. People want to be self contained when it's their football team.
But just because RD refuses to employ any one who knows more than him on the football side in England doesn't mean the notion of a network isn't a good idea financially. Especially where foreign players are still heavily discounted when compared to English equivalents.
I find it ironic that a former socialist firebrand in charge of a multi national network runs it like an autocrat. This is why KM is a good CEO for RDs style, some one else can carry the can but can't change anything about the can they are carrying.
I've a sneaky feeling it's much to do with RD enjoying picking the players and mixing in the circles of trusted agents. He seems too close to the playing side IMO, too willing to trust a selected few and unwilling to deal with outsiders.
RD...you are wanted to play the villain for the next Bond. There is a role for GL as your henchman. You know it makes sense....so concentrate on that and hire some people you can actually delegate authority to.
I'm not ready to say she isn't competent, but the evidence is accumulating against her.
Let's hope RD sells us to someone soon so that we don't have to put up with such an incompetent individual for much longer.
Certain people here think they should be running the club themselves so hopefully one of them will stump up the cash and put him or her self out of the pain they are feeling.
#iitsjustagameoffootball
That wasn't true then and it isn't necessarily true about KM now.
Just as it wasn't true about Steve "as a CEO he makes a good finance manager" Kavanagh.
I really didn't care if the response was generic, one line or whatever. Just some form of acknowledgment would have done.
We may be more 'wedded' as fans but ultimately this is a customer led business, and in the Championship we are important because the revenue the club makes from us does make a difference. To simply ignore a polite email from a customer with 40 years of loyalty seems irresponsible to me.
I KNOW I swore that I wouldn't post again on either this thread or the FF discussion but having read all the above plus the numerous( and valid) posts elsewhere on the site, 2 pieces of "classic" TV/film memories are uppermost in my mind.
No1 is the scene in The Exorcist when the possessed girl's head started spinning around - Tonight, I now know exactly how she must have felt.
And no 2 is that "famous" scene in Dallas when Bobby Ewing emerged from the shower to learn that everything he thought had happened of late was merely a dream.
That's what I'm hoping for tomorrow morning.
Same as RD I said I'd give him time and watch the way he does his stuff before I decide if he is good or bad
To run a successful club and business takes time, mistakes and effort
So far I can see all three, and there are also good things and decisions being made
I don't agree with Luzon I don't think it is a good decision I don't know if it's a mistake
What I do know is Powell had to go, from the disruption in the team and the lack of respect shown by BP and the players to BP
He had to go
Riga worked
BP to a point worked
Let's see if Km and GL works