You all the say the ground staff are not to blame but I was at the Doncaster game ( my first game in 4 years) in August and the efforts of the ground staff to clear the water were pathetic. They looked very amateurish. This is not a public park playing field. If they knew there was a major problem they should have pushed for the work to be done in the summer. Sorry but this is down to the ground staff. Just taking off the top layer and reseeding in the summer in no way addressed the issue and I can't see the owners not agreeing to the work for the sake of a few thousand pounds if they were pressured by the ground staff. I am back in 2 weeks for Bournemouth game and now fear for that game.
We are getting slated on 606. They're asking for the club to comment. But hey, we're all over-reacting, right?
yeah I think it is an over reaction a huge one,
when we sign a better forward, goalie, midfielder , defender and face Barnsley with a better team and beat them it will all be forgotten, I truly feel sorry for those this has cost money and I hope that the club do something for them,
but lets not over react
It's impossible not to over react - this can't be swept to one side in a glib, "so what", way. The authorities could jump on us hard. Fans have lost a fortune today. Your attitude is poor, in my opinion.
Many with worse journey's than myself, but after 2 hours in the car, what I don't understand is that as it appears the dome was covering the pitch all of last night, why after a week of the pitch being covered and blow heaters on all day, how on earth do we still have wet areas on the pitch?
If the wet areas were there yesterday and the pitch was still boggy why weren't alarm bells ringing?
I don't suppose the answers will be forthcoming, but the club should really let us know!
I have calmed down a bit now, but like many I was absolutely fuming earlier!
You all the say the ground staff are not to blame but I was at the Doncaster game ( my first game in 4 years) in August and the efforts of the ground staff to clear the water were pathetic. They looked very amateurish. This is not a public park playing field. If they knew there was a major problem they should have pushed for the work to be done in the summer. Sorry but this is down to the ground staff. Just taking off the top layer and reseeding in the summer in no way addressed the issue and I can't see the owners not agreeing to the work for the sake of a few thousand pounds if they were pressured by the ground staff. I am back in 2 weeks for Bournemouth game and now fear for that game.
I think that is the question isn't it? What pressure was brought through the line management chain and who assesed the risk of postponements and associated costs if the work was not carried out in a timely competent fashion. There is an assumption that the groundstaff report to the Chief Operating Officer who as the name suggests is responsible for all operating aspects of the club. I do not think that any individuals should be blamed on a message board or a club press release. But I am sure that the new owner will want answers to ensure the issue is solved so that the club he has bought can play football at its own ground when every other game in the country is on. Just as the fans deserve answers.
I imagine the new Sporting Director is as we speak having someone strung up by the bollox.
That's one lucky guy.
The oxford game on Tuesday May as well be changed to their ground. It's the FA cup, they can do it. If a clubs too small they can change the fixture to an away tie. Same if your pitch is too shit. If we go out, then it won't be a bad thing as we are gonna have a fixture pile up at this rate anyway.
In terms of the drainage, surely there's something we can do about it over the next few weeks with a bit of investment?? It's the 21st century ffs.
If they definitely know that the drains have collapsed (as has been stated) then presumably it’s been confirmed by using a cctv ‘drain cam’? In which case it would almost certainly have been done by a professional drain company who I would hope have also advised whether the broken pipes can be remotely relined (involving ‘blowing’ a new resin impregnated lining into the pipe which then sets hard).
However, if the collapse is due to movement (sudsidence?) of the enlarged North Stand (as I think has been suggested) then it’s possible that this might even need some sort of underpinning to effect a proper solution?
I'd like to believe that this form of advice /investigation was undertaken some time ago, and if not, certainly as soon as the Oxford game was postponed last Saturday.
I'd also like to think that a meeting was held from 1.30pm today to discuss the way forward with this predicament - one which would appease both the FL, Oxford, our opponents at home in the near future and the paying customers of our Club- US .
Whether there is a short term solution ( or rather "band aid ") to take us successfully to May or whether that scenario is out of the question (ie no guarantees it would continue to work in light of the winter months ahead) a decision has to be made NOW. Otherwise we will continue to lurch from one match to the next, worrying about what Michael Fish has to say each evening , about a pile up of fixtures which could well be detrimental to our survival in the Championship, about losing much needed home fans and finally about the match fitness of our squad of players. Serious considerations all.
If there is one item at the top of RD's agenda tonight, it has to be this. And it has to be fixed at whatever the cost.
You all the say the ground staff are not to blame but I was at the Doncaster game ( my first game in 4 years) in August and the efforts of the ground staff to clear the water were pathetic. They looked very amateurish. This is not a public park playing field. If they knew there was a major problem they should have pushed for the work to be done in the summer. Sorry but this is down to the ground staff. Just taking off the top layer and reseeding in the summer in no way addressed the issue and I can't see the owners not agreeing to the work for the sake of a few thousand pounds if they were pressured by the ground staff. I am back in 2 weeks for Bournemouth game and now fear for that game.
If senior management have decided that there is no money for the pitch how do you expect the ground staff to 'push for the work to be done'?
Totally agree - the senior management team within any business need to take responsibility for their actions and the actions of their employees. To abdicate responsibility by apportioning blame to subordinates is nothing short of disgraceful.
Another game my son will now miss out on due to the evening kick-off. I'm sure this will apply to many others too. Tempted to ask for a pro-rata refund on his season ticket, just to make a point to the Shufflers in charge.
Do clubs take out insurance to protect themselves against the obvious costs of last minute postponements? Is it the case that the payout is substantially less if the game is called off more than 24 hours before kick off? Is the club's cash flow problem still so acute that someone decided today's match day income was so vital they could not afford to risk the match been postponed more than 24 hours before kick off?
Just got back to Nottingham after an unexpected couple of hours detouring to Bluewater when we found the game was off - still very pissed off - we got a real coating on 606.
Do clubs take out insurance to protect themselves against the obvious costs of last minute postponements? Is it the case that the payout is substantially less if the game is called off more than 24 hours before kick off? Is the club's cash flow problem still so acute that someone decided today's match day income was so vital they could not afford to risk the match been postponed more than 24 hours before kick off?
No, they don't. Think they would have lost their no claims bonus.
I imagine the new Sporting Director is as we speak having someone strung up by the bollox.
That's one lucky guy.
The oxford game on Tuesday May as well be changed to their ground. It's the FA cup, they can do it. If a clubs too small they can change the fixture to an away tie. Same if your pitch is too shit. If we go out, then it won't be a bad thing as we are gonna have a fixture pile up at this rate anyway.
In terms of the drainage, surely there's something we can do about it over the next few weeks with a bit of investment?? It's the 21st century ffs.
If they definitely know that the drains have collapsed (as has been stated) then presumably it’s been confirmed by using a cctv ‘drain cam’? In which case it would almost certainly have been done by a professional drain company who I would hope have also advised whether the broken pipes can be remotely relined (involving ‘blowing’ a new resin impregnated lining into the pipe which then sets hard).
However, if the collapse is due to movement (sudsidence?) of the enlarged North Stand (as I think has been suggested) then it’s possible that this might even need some sort of underpinning to effect a proper solution?
I'd like to believe that this form of advice /investigation was undertaken some time ago, and if not, certainly as soon as the Oxford game was postponed last Saturday.
I'd also like to think that a meeting was held from 1.30pm today to discuss the way forward with this predicament - one which would appease both the FL, Oxford, our opponents at home in the near future and the paying customers of our Club- US .
Whether there is a short term solution ( or rather "band aid ") to take us successfully to May or whether that scenario is out of the question (ie no guarantees it would continue to work in light of the winter months ahead) a decision has to be made NOW. Otherwise we will continue to lurch from one match to the next, worrying about what Michael Fish has to say each evening , about a pile up of fixtures which could well be detrimental to our survival in the Championship, about losing much needed home fans and finally about the match fitness of our squad of players. Serious considerations all.
If there is one item at the top of RD's agenda tonight, it has to be this. And it has to be fixed at whatever the cost.
Agree that the pitch now has to be a priority for RD alongside getting CP and the likes of Yann new contracts. Unfortunately for RD the likelihood of this being in the due diligence he carried out were slim to none, but buyer beware and all that. Long term, I don't think we can rectify this until the summer (god knows at what cost). Short term, I hope the club work with the FA and football league to let them know how bad it is to avoid any punishment. As for today, quite clearly a lot of poor decisions/communications that have pissed a lot of people off. I'm guessing the club have obviously known about it for a long time, what with everything that's gone on it's been completely overlooked. Call it incompetence or whatever you want, we've hoped for the best, turns out we've got the worst. I have to believe the club thought that the measures they took this week were adequate. Rewind the clock a month ago, going into administration was probably the biggest fear. Cash/TJ had decided to pull their money, any questions about the pitch and stumping up money to fix it would've just been dismissed. I'm not excusing anything, and feel bad for all fans who have lost out financially today. What I am saying is I've seen muppets like Adrian Durham of talksport re-tweeting that we should be docked points etc. I don't like the fact that idiots like him outside the club are ready to put the boot in without knowing all the facts surrounding how perilous our financial situation has been. I do think everything that has gone on in the run up to the takeover has adversely affected us in this situation. I hope that we can all put the anger and frustration behind us, like we do a shocking performance.
I saw the pitch today from the Upper West and it looked no worse than for the Sheffield Wednesday match. I didn't see anyone walking on it though so couldn't gauge how sticky it was from that distance.
Yes there was little doubt in my mind. The ref called it off as there were parts of the pitch where you couldn't turn your foot in sticky mud which could easily have led to players and officials suffering severe ligament strains and the like.
The drainage issue first came to light when we played Swansea first game of season in our second season after relegation from the Prem and all owners since that time have been culpable to the total embarrassment we suffer today.
It's clear that the water table is now at surface level which means that if we have a wet spring we are well and truly up the proverbial gum tree which could easily lead to relegation if we end up playing every other day in April!
The silver lining Is that Roly & Co now fully understand the size of the probs at VFR and will need to make some quick and decisive management decisions! Heads may roll!!!
I imagine the new Sporting Director is as we speak having someone strung up by the bollox.
That's one lucky guy.
The oxford game on Tuesday May as well be changed to their ground. It's the FA cup, they can do it. If a clubs too small they can change the fixture to an away tie. Same if your pitch is too shit. If we go out, then it won't be a bad thing as we are gonna have a fixture pile up at this rate anyway.
In terms of the drainage, surely there's something we can do about it over the next few weeks with a bit of investment?? It's the 21st century ffs.
If they definitely know that the drains have collapsed (as has been stated) then presumably it’s been confirmed by using a cctv ‘drain cam’? In which case it would almost certainly have been done by a professional drain company who I would hope have also advised whether the broken pipes can be remotely relined (involving ‘blowing’ a new resin impregnated lining into the pipe which then sets hard).
However, if the collapse is due to movement (sudsidence?) of the enlarged North Stand (as I think has been suggested) then it’s possible that this might even need some sort of underpinning to effect a proper solution?
I'd like to believe that this form of advice /investigation was undertaken some time ago, and if not, certainly as soon as the Oxford game was postponed last Saturday.
I'd also like to think that a meeting was held from 1.30pm today to discuss the way forward with this predicament - one which would appease both the FL, Oxford, our opponents at home in the near future and the paying customers of our Club- US .
Whether there is a short term solution ( or rather "band aid ") to take us successfully to May or whether that scenario is out of the question (ie no guarantees it would continue to work in light of the winter months ahead) a decision has to be made NOW. Otherwise we will continue to lurch from one match to the next, worrying about what Michael Fish has to say each evening , about a pile up of fixtures which could well be detrimental to our survival in the Championship, about losing much needed home fans and finally about the match fitness of our squad of players. Serious considerations all.
If there is one item at the top of RD's agenda tonight, it has to be this. And it has to be fixed at whatever the cost.
Agree that the pitch now has to be a priority for RD alongside getting CP and the likes of Yann new contracts. Unfortunately for RD the likelihood of this being in the due diligence he carried out were slim to none, but buyer beware and all that. Long term, I don't think we can rectify this until the summer (god knows at what cost). Short term, I hope the club work with the FA and football league to let them know how bad it is to avoid any punishment. As for today, quite clearly a lot of poor decisions/communications that have pissed a lot of people off. I'm guessing the club have obviously known about it for a long time, what with everything that's gone on it's been completely overlooked. Call it incompetence or whatever you want, we've hoped for the best, turns out we've got the worst. I have to believe the club thought that the measures they took this week were adequate. Rewind the clock a month ago, going into administration was probably the biggest fear. Cash/TJ had decided to pull their money, any questions about the pitch and stumping up money to fix it would've just been dismissed. I'm not excusing anything, and feel bad for all fans who have lost out financially today. What I am saying is I've seen muppets like Adrian Durham of talksport re-tweeting that we should be docked points etc. I don't like the fact that idiots like him outside the club are ready to put the boot in without knowing all the facts surrounding how perilous our financial situation has been. I do think everything that has gone on in the run up to the takeover has adversely affected us in this situation. I hope that we can all put the anger and frustration behind us, like we do a shocking performance.
The problem with the Durham tweet is that it originally come from a Charlton fan!!!
Seriously, we don't do ourselves any favours sometimes. Calling for us to be docked points??? Absolutely mental.
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If the wet areas were there yesterday and the pitch was still boggy why weren't alarm bells ringing?
I don't suppose the answers will be forthcoming, but the club should really let us know!
I have calmed down a bit now, but like many I was absolutely fuming earlier!
I do not think that any individuals should be blamed on a message board or a club press release. But I am sure that the new owner will want answers to ensure the issue is solved so that the club he has bought can play football at its own ground when every other game in the country is on. Just as the fans deserve answers.
I'd also like to think that a meeting was held from 1.30pm today to discuss the way forward with this predicament - one which would appease both the FL, Oxford, our opponents at home in the near future and the paying customers of our Club- US .
Whether there is a short term solution ( or rather "band aid ") to take us successfully to May or whether that scenario is out of the question (ie no guarantees it would continue to work in light of the winter months ahead) a decision has to be made NOW. Otherwise we will continue to lurch from one match to the next, worrying about what Michael Fish has to say each evening , about a pile up of fixtures which could well be detrimental to our survival in the Championship, about losing much needed home fans and finally about the match fitness of our squad of players. Serious considerations all.
If there is one item at the top of RD's agenda tonight, it has to be this. And it has to be fixed at whatever the cost.
Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of Charlton will tell you that Paddy wouldn't willingly let people use his pitch when it was in mint condition!
He would hardly take the lead in saying that the current apology for a pitch is playable and there is no need for an inspection.
Have the balls to accept responsibility and admit you cocked up yourself rather than try and drop others in it.
Surely it was obvious yesterday that this game was never going to go ahead?
If that was taken earlier today then we are in deep deep doo doo.
The drainage issue first came to light when we played Swansea first game of season in our second season after relegation from the Prem and all owners since that time have been culpable to the total embarrassment we suffer today.
It's clear that the water table is now at surface level which means that if we have a wet spring we are well and truly up the proverbial gum tree which could easily lead to relegation if we end up playing every other day in April!
The silver lining Is that Roly & Co now fully understand the size of the probs at VFR and will need to make some quick and decisive management decisions! Heads may roll!!!
Seriously, we don't do ourselves any favours sometimes. Calling for us to be docked points??? Absolutely mental.