We do seem to have a slightly unbalanced squad. In an ideal 442 with JJ and Gower playing the central 2, that leaves Hughes, Hollands and Stephens as reserve central midfielders, let along Cousins who deserves to be close to the first team, or Dervite who can play there ar a push
just to say we have alot of freed up wages from last year, fuller was atleast 10k a week and adding all up probably we pruned the squad of 30k pw of wages, and we now have probably about 500k of money to spend on a striker, expect deadline day bargaining, this is a blessing in disguise
The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
Perhaps on that basis we got close to the 200k from Brentford and just passed the cash on to Spurs.
Maybe until we paid the Button fee to Tottenham they were reluctant to do business for Obika ? Just a thought.
I know this is a long shot, but could the FL have put on a transfer embargo and have said that we can't buy any players until Spurs had been paid ??
Never saw this one coming but with the original deal details as provided by Airman it has mileage. I have to agree with KF for whilst Button stood up well to the up and under tactics at Huddersfield (where he was mom) and a battering from Alan Lee late on, he got away with a few fumbles and IMO was suspect at Peterborough for their equaliser from distance which went through him. I also thought he could have done better against the Spanners and Brissle. I wish him well for the future but he is obviously a 'luxury' we can't afford with more pressing priorities.
To me Powell clearly has a smaller wage / transfer budget than last year. He wants (needs) a striker or two and the only way to achieve that goal is to move a player or two off the current wage bill. Which players go is then determined by the transfer market.
Strange as Button will still have to fight it out with Richard Lee for the first team jersey which wont be easy at Lee is a pretty good goalie for Brentford (only losing his place to Moore because of injury and then the form of the latter)
Button did not impress me at all when he did play. Can't say that this disappoints me, and hopefully provides funds for a needed striker as others have said.
Astute. We need a striker more than we need a back up first choice goalkeeper. It's as simple as that. If we bring in a striker in the next few days then we'll have done excellent business here. I liked Button but it's the right move all round.
The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
Perhaps on that basis we got close to the 200k from Brentford and just passed the cash on to Spurs.
Maybe until we paid the Button fee to Tottenham they were reluctant to do business for Obika ? Just a thought.
I know this is a long shot, but could the FL have put on a transfer embargo and have said that we can't buy any players until Spurs had been paid ??
Perhaps there may well be something in this?
Good points, fellas. The pieces of the jigsaw seem to fit. Maybe the Button sale and Spurs getting paid paves the way for Obika to sign - even if only on loan?
Pope is highly rated and did a sterling job on loan at Cambridge. Button would have been on a good wage and didn't impress. Seems a logical bit of business to me.
Brentford just sold their first choice keeper to Cardiff so maybe some of that transfer fee has been forwarded on to us to sign Button? (straws. clutching. etc)
Moore went for £150k
How did you find that out, ISaw? I thought the fee was "undisclosed", according to the BBC site.
So Brentford sold their keeper to the Prem for £150K...hardly likely to pay much more than £75K for a replacement who has barely played above League1 level and looked shaky last season. If we owed Spurs £200K for Button that is a poor deal and means we still probably have to find further wedge to pay Spurs the balance...additional money to a striker kitty...just disappeared in a puff of smoke.
Hope Pope is good. Saw him throw a ball against a Bromley defender in a PSF this year which was the only time I have seen him...Lol, I am sure he will be a fine understudy.
Interested to see how much we got for Button, but as many posts are saying that with the fee, this will bring in a couple of strikers, can only envisage seeing a couple of loanees. Sad to see we have to sell one of our players just to pay for the incomings wages (who will be on loan).
In these assumed, desperate times, the deal would appear to make good sense.
I, like probably everyone else, couldn't fathom why we signed a reserve goalie for £200K last summer, when we were skint. It didn't make sense. Still doesn't.
Perhaps, if we didn't have to pay until June 2013, we were guessing that Button may come good & then we could sell Button or Hamer at a profit, this summer.
Whilst Button, seemed to be a really decent bloke. I saw him him chatting to kids, signing autographs etc at away games. Unfortunately, he didn't impress me on the pitch & looked heavy & slow to get down & react.
Bearing in mind, our lack of strikers (under statement) this has to be good news ?
I feel that it will pave the way for the signings of Church & Obika (probably loan) & possibly Fuller.
Oh, I forgot to say best of luck David Button, I hope you thrive at Brentford & beyond.
If selling Button frees up cash to pay for three players then we've wasted a hell of a lot of money in the past 12 months on him.
Was thinking exactly this. If as AB stated the fee of 200k became payable in June to Spurs I suspect that any fee went straight to the Spuds. It does free up wages for Church though I assume.
No real loss, I never really rated him from what I saw of him and thought our defence looked shacky with him behind them as if they had no confidence in him.
I still don't understand what all the fuss is about. According to the OS we "reluctantly" accepted a bid from Brentford and it probably has nothing to do with us trying to get some strikers in.
Surely we are not in such a bad state of affairs that we don't have "credit" with clubs or the FL and accounts can be settled at the end of the month. - I can't believe that it is like monopoly and we can't buy Liverpool street this time around because we are waiting to pass go & to collect £200 before we can.
perhaps Airman Brown can shed a bit of light on things.........ie, when do clubs or players receive their "wedge" from a deal. Also, when do wages get paid - I imagine they are monthly ?? Therefore, someone signing this week is likely to be paid next month..........so why all this "Button has been sold to free up wages" nonsense - unless the football business is run by a load of Arthur Daley's and Delboys and need to be paid cash in hand and up front !!
I still don't understand what all the fuss is about. According to the OS we "reluctantly" accepted a bid from Brentford and it probably has nothing to do with us trying to get some strikers in.
Surely we are not in such a bad state of affairs that we don't have "credit" with clubs or the FL and accounts can be settled at the end of the month. - I can't believe that it is like monopoly and we can't buy Liverpool street this time around because we are waiting to pass go & to collect £200 before we can.
perhaps Airman Brown can shed a bit of light on things.........ie, when do clubs or players receive their "wedge" from a deal. Also, when do wages get paid - I imagine they are monthly ?? Therefore, someone signing this week is likely to be paid next month..........so why all this "Button has been sold to free up wages" nonsense - unless the football business is run by a load of Arthur Daley's and Delboys and need to be paid cash in hand and up front !!
If selling Button frees up cash to pay for three players then we've wasted a hell of a lot of money in the past 12 months on him.
Maybe. Maybe not. Has to be seen in the context of a year ago, rather than with hindsight today.
Sullivan had been promised to be loaned out for long periods last season. Pope no doubt considered nowhere near ready. The club needed a keeper who could push Hamer and capable of claiming the shirt for himself.
Perhaps it had been hoped that one of them could have been sold on at a decent profit, leaving the the other experienced and seemlessly part of the 1st team.
And payment deferred until June 2013, could have been seen as good business.
In these assumed, desperate times, the deal would appear to make good sense.
I, like probably everyone else, couldn't fathom why we signed a reserve goalie for £200K last summer, when we were skint. It didn't make sense. Still doesn't.
Perhaps, if we didn't have to pay until June 2013, we were guessing that Button may come good & then we could sell Button or Hamer at a profit, this summer.
Whilst Button, seemed to be a really decent bloke. I saw him him chatting to kids, signing autographs etc at away games. Unfortunately, he didn't impress me on the pitch & looked heavy & slow to get down & react.
Bearing in mind, our lack of strikers (under statement) this has to be good news ?
I feel that it will pave the way for the signings of Church & Obika (probably loan) & possibly Fuller.
Good points, I'd be happy with Fuller and Obika , rather than what we've currently got, not necessarily Church, and use Piggott instead?
I wonder if the £200k fee for Button was based on appearances or if it was upfront? If so then we may not have paid £200k for him and could have done some good business with Brentford here.
Fingers crossed for Obika and / or Fuller now with Pigott and Azeez as 4th and 5th choice forwards. I'd be happy with that.
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I know this is a long shot, but could the FL have put on a transfer embargo and have said that we can't buy any players until Spurs had been paid ??
My delirium is fading fast.
Perhaps there may well be something in this?
Good points, fellas. The pieces of the jigsaw seem to fit.
Maybe the Button sale and Spurs getting paid paves the way for Obika to sign - even if only on loan?
I thought the fee was "undisclosed", according to the BBC site.
Hope Pope is good. Saw him throw a ball against a Bromley defender in a PSF this year which was the only time I have seen him...Lol, I am sure he will be a fine understudy.
I, like probably everyone else, couldn't fathom why we signed a reserve goalie for £200K last summer, when we were skint. It didn't make sense. Still doesn't.
Perhaps, if we didn't have to pay until June 2013, we were guessing that Button may come good & then we could sell Button or Hamer at a profit, this summer.
Whilst Button, seemed to be a really decent bloke. I saw him him chatting to kids, signing autographs etc at away games. Unfortunately, he didn't impress me on the pitch & looked heavy & slow to get down & react.
Bearing in mind, our lack of strikers (under statement) this has to be good news ?
I feel that it will pave the way for the signings of Church & Obika (probably loan) & possibly Fuller.
Oh, I forgot to say best of luck David Button, I hope you thrive at Brentford & beyond.
Surely we are not in such a bad state of affairs that we don't have "credit" with clubs or the FL and accounts can be settled at the end of the month. - I can't believe that it is like monopoly and we can't buy Liverpool street this time around because we are waiting to pass go & to collect £200 before we can.
perhaps Airman Brown can shed a bit of light on things.........ie, when do clubs or players receive their "wedge" from a deal. Also, when do wages get paid - I imagine they are monthly ?? Therefore, someone signing this week is likely to be paid next month..........so why all this "Button has been sold to free up wages" nonsense - unless the football business is run by a load of Arthur Daley's and Delboys and need to be paid cash in hand and up front !!
Sullivan had been promised to be loaned out for long periods last season. Pope no doubt considered nowhere near ready.
The club needed a keeper who could push Hamer and capable of claiming the shirt for himself.
Perhaps it had been hoped that one of them could have been sold on at a decent profit, leaving the the other experienced and seemlessly part of the 1st team.
And payment deferred until June 2013, could have been seen as good business.
Fingers crossed for Obika and / or Fuller now with Pigott and Azeez as 4th and 5th choice forwards. I'd be happy with that.