Sitting on the top deck of the 161 yesterday, it was depressing seeing closed pub after closed pub on the lower road. Million Hare, Thames Barrier Tavern, White Horse, Horse & Groom, Anti Gallican all closed up
If I guess that the pint was a fiver and the bottle £2, then the soda water was over £2 for a half.
I take it you do not go into a pub too often.
Happy to be corrected, but one poster has priced the pint at 4.10, so it’s a fiver for a Becks and a soda water. It’s too much, but I reckon the blame lies with high business rates.
If I guess that the pint was a fiver and the bottle £2, then the soda water was over £2 for a half.
Bottled beers cost roughly the same as draft. So £4, £4 and £1 would be my guess.
Normal pub prices, which the landlord has to charge in order to make a profit (and a living). But it is far, far too expensive, if you compare it to what you pay in other countries, and if you compare it to the amount of beer you could buy for £9 in the supermarket. Blame high taxes on booze and freeholders charging pubs prohibitively high rents.
I'm pretty sure that drinking in the UK certainly outside of London is cheaper than comparable countries around the world. I paid £30 for 2 pints of Stella in Shang Hai albeit in a smart hotel but even in city bars beer was about £8 a pint.
Is Shanghai comparable to any UK city outside of London? I'd say Newcastle/Leeds/Sheffield/wherever have a has a lot more in common with, for example, Hamburg, Porto, Valencia, Lille, Gdansk, Rotterdam or Naples than they do with Shanghai (which is the commercial and financial centre of the most populous country in the world. And I'm pretty sure a beer in a local bar in any of those cities would be cheaper or at least as cheap as UK cities outside of London.
Think the Scandinavian countries are the only ones in Europe with higher alcohol prices than us.
Don't they ha e funny off licence type shops, run by the government?
Paid 9.50 for 500ml in hotel bar in Saariselka just before Christmas. 8.50 in the ‘Irish’ bar there. Don’t get many alcoholics there.
Lord Northbrook Burnt Ash Road Lee. Pint of soda water and wedge of lime ..............free. Pint of Cider £5.30.
Liked the old Northbrook (lived very close by), havn't been in there since it became the Lord Northbrook.
You liked the old Northbrook!!!!! It was an utter shit hole......you haven’t been in the new one so how can you compare it, why haven’t you been in there as it’s very very popular? The new one is far far better and has done very well giving the local community somewhere to enjoy and they do a good trade, whereas the old Northbrook was a disgusting empty depressing tip. Yes it’s a bit pricey but hey, so are most pubs in London nowadays. Give it a try......foods pretty good too.
Didn't compare them, agree the old one was a 'tad' tatty, but it was handy and to be honest there wasn't much else in Lee or at least the part we lived in....haven't been back since we moved out of the area in 2010, don't really have any reason to go there nowdays but if I do I'll pop in to the Lord Northbrook.
Lord Northbrook Burnt Ash Road Lee. Pint of soda water and wedge of lime ..............free. Pint of Cider £5.30.
Liked the old Northbrook (lived very close by), havn't been in there since it became the Lord Northbrook.
You liked the old Northbrook!!!!! It was an utter shit hole......you haven’t been in the new one so how can you compare it, why haven’t you been in there as it’s very very popular? The new one is far far better and has done very well giving the local community somewhere to enjoy and they do a good trade, whereas the old Northbrook was a disgusting empty depressing tip. Yes it’s a bit pricey but hey, so are most pubs in London nowadays. Give it a try......foods pretty good too.
Didn't compare them, agree the old one was a 'tad' tatty, but it was handy and to be honest there wasn't much else in Lee or at least the part we lived in....haven't been back since we moved out of the area in 2010, don't really have any reason to go there nowdays but if I do I'll pop in to the Lord Northbrook.
Ah right mate....that explains it. Take my word for it, it’s worth a visit if you’re ever in that neck of the woods.....you won’t believe it’s the same place you once knew.
If I guess that the pint was a fiver and the bottle £2, then the soda water was over £2 for a half.
I take it you do not go into a pub too often.
Happy to be corrected, but one poster has priced the pint at 4.10, so it’s a fiver for a Becks and a soda water. It’s too much, but I reckon the blame lies with high business rates.
Bottle of Becks in a pub would be probably be £3.80 at least. Bottled beer is more expensive than draught pro-rata and that is not down to the pub! So £1.40 for a lime and soda, sorry but that is what you pay for soft drinks. Publicans have to buy their soft drinks as well as their beer. Look I'm in the trade and I'm not trying to have a row but £9.20 for your three drinks is the norm for the suburbs, would have been more in Blackheath or West Greenwich but cheaper in my pub. Except I don't sell Fosters or Becks but do a mean Soda (Individual Britvic bottle not out of a big plastic bottle that's been open for days or one of those awful squirty guns) and Lime (Roses and not Asda, Lidl etc) for a quid!
Lord Northbrook Burnt Ash Road Lee. Pint of soda water and wedge of lime ..............free. Pint of Cider £5.30.
Liked the old Northbrook (lived very close by), havn't been in there since it became the Lord Northbrook.
You liked the old Northbrook!!!!! It was an utter shit hole......you haven’t been in the new one so how can you compare it, why haven’t you been in there as it’s very very popular? The new one is far far better and has done very well giving the local community somewhere to enjoy and they do a good trade, whereas the old Northbrook was a disgusting empty depressing tip. Yes it’s a bit pricey but hey, so are most pubs in London nowadays. Give it a try......foods pretty good too.
Didn't compare them, agree the old one was a 'tad' tatty, but it was handy and to be honest there wasn't much else in Lee or at least the part we lived in....haven't been back since we moved out of the area in 2010, don't really have any reason to go there nowdays but if I do I'll pop in to the Lord Northbrook.
Ah right mate....that explains it. Take my word for it, it’s worth a visit if you’re ever in that neck of the woods.....you won’t believe it’s the same place you once knew.
About two years ago the Lord Northbrook pub was taken over by Fullers. Prices went through the roof and staff left. Two years ago it was a really really good pub but now it is a Fullers house and staff turnover seems high as well as prices and footfall has gone down with me included.
If I guess that the pint was a fiver and the bottle £2, then the soda water was over £2 for a half.
I take it you do not go into a pub too often.
Happy to be corrected, but one poster has priced the pint at 4.10, so it’s a fiver for a Becks and a soda water. It’s too much, but I reckon the blame lies with high business rates.
Pretty sure that you would have paid more because it’s a football day.
My Mrs and I have decided it's time we return to UK and guess what, we're look at buying a pub.
lord Kitchener in welling has shut down.
do you know if it's gone for good, or having a spruce up?, live about 10 mins walk from it and whilst I wasn't a 'frequent' user, I did used to pop in now and again + was always handy for a cheap sunday carvary with the family. Be a shame if it was gone permanently as always seemed pretty busy whenever I used it.
My Mrs and I have decided it's time we return to UK and guess what, we're look at buying a pub.
lord Kitchener in welling has shut down.
do you know if it's gone for good, or having a spruce up?, live about 10 mins walk from it and whilst I wasn't a 'frequent' user, I did used to pop in now and again + was always handy for a cheap sunday carvary with the family. Be a shame if it was gone permanently as always seemed pretty busy whenever I used it.
its not shut for a refurbishment, as it stands its closed down.
unless they've sold the sight to developers id imagine the lease is available.
like a pub every business has staff to pay etc, the mark up on alcohol is small, unfortunately chains like wetherspoons seem to make everyone think that there prices should be the norm
My Mrs and I have decided it's time we return to UK and guess what, we're look at buying a pub.
lord Kitchener in welling has shut down.
do you know if it's gone for good, or having a spruce up?, live about 10 mins walk from it and whilst I wasn't a 'frequent' user, I did used to pop in now and again + was always handy for a cheap sunday carvary with the family. Be a shame if it was gone permanently as always seemed pretty busy whenever I used it.
its not shut for a refurbishment, as it stands its closed down.
unless they've sold the sight to developers id imagine the lease is available.
The word is, that it will be a Tesco local with flats above.
Apart from pub prices going up year on year, I have also found that the old fashioned welcoming landlord (and staff), is becoming a thing of the past. Visited a couple of pubs recently where I have felt more of an inconvenience.......
My Mrs and I have decided it's time we return to UK and guess what, we're look at buying a pub.
lord Kitchener in welling has shut down.
do you know if it's gone for good, or having a spruce up?, live about 10 mins walk from it and whilst I wasn't a 'frequent' user, I did used to pop in now and again + was always handy for a cheap sunday carvary with the family. Be a shame if it was gone permanently as always seemed pretty busy whenever I used it.
its not shut for a refurbishment, as it stands its closed down.
unless they've sold the sight to developers id imagine the lease is available.
The word is, that it will be a Tesco local with flats above.
Apart from pub prices going up year on year, I have also found that the old fashioned welcoming landlord (and staff), is becoming a thing of the past. Visited a couple of pubs recently where I have felt more of an inconvenience.......
Hate to tell you this mate but we've all been thinking the same thing for years.
Lord Northbrook Burnt Ash Road Lee. Pint of soda water and wedge of lime ..............free. Pint of Cider £5.30.
Liked the old Northbrook (lived very close by), havn't been in there since it became the Lord Northbrook.
You liked the old Northbrook!!!!! It was an utter shit hole......you haven’t been in the new one so how can you compare it, why haven’t you been in there as it’s very very popular? The new one is far far better and has done very well giving the local community somewhere to enjoy and they do a good trade, whereas the old Northbrook was a disgusting empty depressing tip. Yes it’s a bit pricey but hey, so are most pubs in London nowadays. Give it a try......foods pretty good too.
Didn't compare them, agree the old one was a 'tad' tatty, but it was handy and to be honest there wasn't much else in Lee or at least the part we lived in....haven't been back since we moved out of the area in 2010, don't really have any reason to go there nowdays but if I do I'll pop in to the Lord Northbrook.
Ah right mate....that explains it. Take my word for it, it’s worth a visit if you’re ever in that neck of the woods.....you won’t believe it’s the same place you once knew.
About two years ago the Lord Northbrook pub was taken over by Fullers. Prices went through the roof and staff left. Two years ago it was a really really good pub but now it is a Fullers house and staff turnover seems high as well as prices and footfall has gone down with me included.
My Mrs and I have decided it's time we return to UK and guess what, we're look at buying a pub.
lord Kitchener in welling has shut down.
do you know if it's gone for good, or having a spruce up?, live about 10 mins walk from it and whilst I wasn't a 'frequent' user, I did used to pop in now and again + was always handy for a cheap sunday carvary with the family. Be a shame if it was gone permanently as always seemed pretty busy whenever I used it.
its not shut for a refurbishment, as it stands its closed down.
unless they've sold the sight to developers id imagine the lease is available.
The word is, that it will be a Tesco local with flats above.
Apart from pub prices going up year on year, I have also found that the old fashioned welcoming landlord (and staff), is becoming a thing of the past. Visited a couple of pubs recently where I have felt more of an inconvenience.......
Hate to tell you this mate but we've all been thinking the same thing for years.
like a pub every business has staff to pay etc, the mark up on alcohol is small, unfortunately chains like wetherspoons seem to make everyone think that there prices should be the norm
Their prices should be the norm; the poor man's 'treats', beer; a fag; football are now beyond his pocket. Countries like France and Spain regard these things - along with a decent meal - as a right, not a privilege.
My Mrs and I have decided it's time we return to UK and guess what, we're look at buying a pub.
lord Kitchener in welling has shut down.
do you know if it's gone for good, or having a spruce up?, live about 10 mins walk from it and whilst I wasn't a 'frequent' user, I did used to pop in now and again + was always handy for a cheap sunday carvary with the family. Be a shame if it was gone permanently as always seemed pretty busy whenever I used it.
its not shut for a refurbishment, as it stands its closed down.
unless they've sold the sight to developers id imagine the lease is available.
The word is, that it will be a Tesco local with flats above.
Apart from pub prices going up year on year, I have also found that the old fashioned welcoming landlord (and staff), is becoming a thing of the past. Visited a couple of pubs recently where I have felt more of an inconvenience.......
there's already a Tesco local about 250 yards away in what was the Duke of Edinburgh
hope someone takes it on and tries to make a go of it (as a pub)
like a pub every business has staff to pay etc, the mark up on alcohol is small, unfortunately chains like wetherspoons seem to make everyone think that there prices should be the norm
Their prices should be the norm; the poor man's 'treats', beer; a fag; football are now beyond his pocket. Countries like France and Spain regard these things - along with a decent meal - as a right, not a privilege.
Yeah, I do agree with that, but France is now 5-6 Euros for 50cl / pint
like a pub every business has staff to pay etc, the mark up on alcohol is small, unfortunately chains like wetherspoons seem to make everyone think that there prices should be the norm
Their prices should be the norm; the poor man's 'treats', beer; a fag; football are now beyond his pocket. Countries like France and Spain regard these things - along with a decent meal - as a right, not a privilege.
Yeah, I do agree with that, but France is now 5-6 Euros for 50cl / pint
Blimey, but I can't imagine they're charging £8 for a large glass of plonk.
The round would have cost about £12 in central London. Buy your drinks cheaper in a supermarket of course but there’s nowhere to sit and the atmosphere is crap.
like a pub every business has staff to pay etc, the mark up on alcohol is small, unfortunately chains like wetherspoons seem to make everyone think that there prices should be the norm
Their prices should be the norm; the poor man's 'treats', beer; a fag; football are now beyond his pocket. Countries like France and Spain regard these things - along with a decent meal - as a right, not a privilege.
wetherspoons make there money by buying up beer with v little shelf life left and threw the vast amount of pubs can network it out.
if an independant pub had 3 lagers/beers on tap it is labelled a shit tip with no choice.
if they have 10+ taps and cost a little more - then its a rip off.
pubs have overheads like everyone else, the volunteer in bexleyheath the owner wanted to get peroni in on draft and worked out he could only make 97p a pint.
like a pub every business has staff to pay etc, the mark up on alcohol is small, unfortunately chains like wetherspoons seem to make everyone think that there prices should be the norm
Their prices should be the norm; the poor man's 'treats', beer; a fag; football are now beyond his pocket. Countries like France and Spain regard these things - along with a decent meal - as a right, not a privilege.
wetherspoons make there money by buying up beer with v little shelf life left and threw the vast amount of pubs can network it out.
if an independant pub had 3 lagers/beers on tap it is labelled a shit tip with no choice.
if they have 10+ taps and cost a little more - then its a rip off.
pubs have overheads like everyone else, the volunteer in bexleyheath the owner wanted to get peroni in on draft and worked out he could only make 97p a pint.
like a pub every business has staff to pay etc, the mark up on alcohol is small, unfortunately chains like wetherspoons seem to make everyone think that there prices should be the norm
Their prices should be the norm; the poor man's 'treats', beer; a fag; football are now beyond his pocket. Countries like France and Spain regard these things - along with a decent meal - as a right, not a privilege.
wetherspoons make there money by buying up beer with v little shelf life left and threw the vast amount of pubs can network it out.
Worked for 'spoons for 5 years when I was younger. This myth about buying beer with a short shelf life is absolute nonsense and always has been. They are able to sell more cheaply than their competitors for the same reason that's Sainsburys and Tesco can sell more cheaply than the local off licence - you buy more, you pay less.
In the early 2000s, when I worked there, Guinness tried to increase the price that Wetherspoons were paying - 'spoons said "no" and started stocking Murphys instead. A few months later, Guinness came back and agreed to stick with the old price if they started stocking it again. Nothing to do with use by dates.
Their Irish pubs currently serve Beamish because they're in dispute with Diageo (Guinness) and Murphys. Again, that's over price, it's not because only Beamish has got loads of nearly out of date stout knocking around.
Not a massive fan of Wetherspoons, but used to get the right hump with ill-informed locals telling me why our beer was so cheap when I was working behind the bar.
like a pub every business has staff to pay etc, the mark up on alcohol is small, unfortunately chains like wetherspoons seem to make everyone think that there prices should be the norm
Their prices should be the norm; the poor man's 'treats', beer; a fag; football are now beyond his pocket. Countries like France and Spain regard these things - along with a decent meal - as a right, not a privilege.
Yeah, I do agree with that, but France is now 5-6 Euros for 50cl / pint
Agreed.
I'm in Marseille at the moment and 5 euro for a pint is Happy Hour prices. You can easily pay 6 or 7 euro for a pint ...... although a bit cheaper for fizzy pression lager in little back street cafe bars, but not by much.
I was staying with a friend in County Galway last October; prices in Ireland are much the same. And Dublin, like in most capital cities, was even more expensive.
Don't forget folks, much of the price of a pint goes direct to the government in taxation, wherever you are.
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It’s too much, but I reckon the blame lies with high business rates.
Take my word for it, it’s worth a visit if you’re ever in that neck of the woods.....you won’t believe it’s the same place you once knew.
Two years ago it was a really really good pub but now it is a Fullers house and staff turnover seems high as well as prices and footfall has gone down with me included.
unless they've sold the sight to developers id imagine the lease is available.
Apart from pub prices going up year on year, I have also found that the old fashioned welcoming landlord (and staff), is becoming a thing of the past. Visited a couple of pubs recently where I have felt more of an inconvenience.......
Countries like France and Spain regard these things - along with a decent meal - as a right, not a privilege.
hope someone takes it on and tries to make a go of it (as a pub)
if an independant pub had 3 lagers/beers on tap it is labelled a shit tip with no choice.
if they have 10+ taps and cost a little more - then its a rip off.
pubs have overheads like everyone else, the volunteer in bexleyheath the owner wanted to get peroni in on draft and worked out he could only make 97p a pint.
In the early 2000s, when I worked there, Guinness tried to increase the price that Wetherspoons were paying - 'spoons said "no" and started stocking Murphys instead. A few months later, Guinness came back and agreed to stick with the old price if they started stocking it again. Nothing to do with use by dates.
Their Irish pubs currently serve Beamish because they're in dispute with Diageo (Guinness) and Murphys. Again, that's over price, it's not because only Beamish has got loads of nearly out of date stout knocking around.
Not a massive fan of Wetherspoons, but used to get the right hump with ill-informed locals telling me why our beer was so cheap when I was working behind the bar.
I'm in Marseille at the moment and 5 euro for a pint is Happy Hour prices.
You can easily pay 6 or 7 euro for a pint ...... although a bit cheaper for fizzy pression lager in little back street cafe bars, but not by much.
I was staying with a friend in County Galway last October; prices in Ireland are much the same.
And Dublin, like in most capital cities, was even more expensive.
Don't forget folks, much of the price of a pint goes direct to the government in taxation, wherever you are.
Narragansett (cheap lager) - £3.78
Founders Solid Gold (lager) - £6.61
Fiddlehead IPA (decent) - £10.07
Almanac Supernova Sour - £15.11
And this isn’t an expensive bar. It about average for craft beer.