Playing BWP in a wide position might not be such a bad idea.
It was only once he move to Plymouth that he converted from winger to striker. He's definitely capable of racking up the assists if he's not scoring the goals.
Playing BWP in a wide position might not be such a bad idea.
It was only once he move to Plymouth that he converted from winger to striker. He's definitely capable of racking up the assists if he's not scoring the goals.
From which wing though? As we've seen on numerous occasions, playing a right-sided midfielder on the left is not usually a recipe for success.
Yes really. I suggest you refresh your memory on the missed chances from 2011-12, not just the ones he scored.
And forget completely that it was predominantly down to him and Kermo that we won the League!!
My what a fickle bunch we are!!
What has that got to do with anything? We're not in that league anymore. Are you suggesting wee should hang onto a player whose contract expires at the end of the season and who has not been up to scratch in the league we're playing in instead of cashing in if the opportunity presents itself? What was it Gus Poyet said? His biggest regret last season was that he was too loyal to the players that got them up to the Chamionship. I sincerely hope SCP has taken that on board.
I think basically CP has to bring in any money that he wants to spend. That forces him to look at only players that have the potential to bring in money, rather than the players that he would be happy to lose. For that reason I suspect that this will be a very quiet window for us.
I like BWP but right now the style of play we have adopted does not suit him hence he is geting little service and so isn't scoring. Is he good enough for this level? No idea but judging by the season so far I would say no. Compare and contrast to Mackail-Smith who made the step up and is one of the best in the division. If we are offered a decnet amount I think we should let him go with a big thankyou for his contribution last year.
Yes really. I suggest you refresh your memory on the missed chances from 2011-12, not just the ones he scored.
And forget completely that it was predominantly down to him and Kermo that we won the League!!
My what a fickle bunch we are!!
What has that got to do with anything? We're not in that league anymore. Are you suggesting wee should hang onto a player whose contract expires at the end of the season and who has not been up to scratch in the league we're playing in instead of cashing in if the opportunity presents itself? What was it Gus Poyet said? His biggest regret last season was that he was too loyal to the players that got them up to the Chamionship. I sincerely hope SCP has taken that on board.
Nothing to do with loyalty. Everything to do with giving the boy a chance in this league which is probably why he's not been 'up to scratch'.
As for 'cashing in' you've just stated that he's not up to scratch? Are we waiting for Simpletons FC to come and give us a big wad for a striker than can't hit a cows proverbial with a banjo?
If we are to be non-loyalist and hard faced about who can cut it in this league, I think I might start with a few others before I showed BWP the door (with large cash offer in hand)
if CP has to generate money to enable him to spend then selling BWP ain't gonna help him much. Don't know what people would class as a decent amount for a player who will be on a free in the summer but I'd hazard a guess that it would be less than 100k. Same reason as why we are prepared to wait for Wordsworth if needs be.
It is probably just my impression, but BWP seems to score more when Waggy is playing. Anyone figures on who assisted him most last year ans scoring when Wagy playing?
Yes really. I suggest you refresh your memory on the missed chances from 2011-12, not just the ones he scored.
And forget completely that it was predominantly down to him and Kermo that we won the League!!
My what a fickle bunch we are!!
What has that got to do with anything? We're not in that league anymore. Are you suggesting wee should hang onto a player whose contract expires at the end of the season and who has not been up to scratch in the league we're playing in instead of cashing in if the opportunity presents itself? What was it Gus Poyet said? His biggest regret last season was that he was too loyal to the players that got them up to the Chamionship. I sincerely hope SCP has taken that on board.
Nothing to do with loyalty. Everything to do with giving the boy a chance in this league which is probably why he's not been 'up to scratch'.
As for 'cashing in' you've just stated that he's not up to scratch? Are we waiting for Simpletons FC to come and give us a big wad for a striker than can't hit a cows proverbial with a banjo?
If we are to be non-loyalist and hard faced about who can cut it in this league, I think I might start with a few others before I showed BWP the door (with large cash offer in hand)
He's been given a chance. Look at the stats that Scoham posted earlier in the thread and I've copied below:
Fuller 8 starts 7 sub 3 goals (0.2 goals/game) Haynes 8 starts 3 sub 5 goals (0.45) Hulse 10 starts 5 sub 3 goals (0.3) Kermorgant 12 starts 3 sub 5 goals (0.33) BWP 10 starts 6 sub 1 goal (0.06)
He's bottom of the pile by a country mile and has been for best part of a year. If we can get some money for him now and use that to help fund bringing someone else in then I would think that is good business, good for BWP and good for CAFC.
Fuller 8 starts 7 sub 3 goals Haynes 8 starts 3 sub 5 goals Hulse 10 starts 5 sub 3 goals Kermorgant 12 starts 3 sub 5 goals BWP 10 starts 6 sub 1 goal
Looking at those stats alone is bit unfair really since BWP had 2 perfectly legitimate goals ruled out against Hull and Palace. Not sure if the others have had disallowed goals, but not really BWP's fault if the officials get it wrong.
It is probably just my impression, but BWP seems to score more when Waggy is playing. Anyone figures on who assisted him most last year ans scoring when Wagy playing?
Totally agree, thought this when his lean spell last season coincided with Waggy being dropped to the bench. Waggy's runs into the area and dangerous positions with and without the ball pulled defenders out of position and made gaps that BWP exploited.
Fuller 8 starts 7 sub 3 goals Haynes 8 starts 3 sub 5 goals Hulse 10 starts 5 sub 3 goals Kermorgant 12 starts 3 sub 5 goals BWP 10 starts 6 sub 1 goal
Looking at those stats alone is bit unfair really since BWP had 2 perfectly legitimate goals ruled out against Hull and Palace. Not sure if the others have had disallowed goals, but not really BWP's fault if the officials get it wrong.
I think it was Yann who had the goal ruled out against Hull after BWP hit the keeper. BWP tends to miss his one-on-ones and it makes it diffuclt to keep him at this level. He doesn't win much in the air, he rarely pops up with a long range wonder goal and he generally misses more often than he scores when put through, and when chances are fewer in this league he can't be missing as much as he does. I like him and whatever some may say I've always been proud of the effort he puts in but if we get an offer we should probably take it and invest in a forward who takes more of his chances.
I think it was Yann who had the goal ruled out against Hull after BWP hit the keeper. BWP tends to miss his one-on-ones and it makes it diffuclt to keep him at this level. He doesn't win much in the air, he rarely pops up with a long range wonder goal and he generally misses more often than he scores when put through, and when chances are fewer in this league he can't be missing as much as he does. I like him and whatever some may say I've always been proud of the effort he puts in but if we get an offer we should probably take it and invest in a forward who takes more of his chances.
You're quite right it was Yann who had the goal disallowed against Hull. I've been using that "goal" to defend BWP to people for about 3 months! I think my point was really that you can't rely on goals alone as a metric of a striker's ability. I thought BWP was playing pretty well at the start of the season, something I haven't felt about Hulse, despite his goals. But I know a lot of people would disagree with that.
Personally I would be sad to see Brad leave. Did well last season, albeit in a different league, but I won't think he has had many chances this season. Either not played or poor service. None of our strikers are exactly prolific, and I don't see Brad as being worse than the rest. I'm also a fan of kermit, although he has not done much, Haynes and fuller are made of glass and hulse, when he was with us, provided physicality but is slow and not a 20+ goals a season guy.
Lots of hero to villains on this site at the moment. If we win the next 3 games, they will all be stars again.
I think my point was really that you can't rely on goals alone as a metric of a striker's ability.
Good point, Dabos.
People look at a striker's goalscoring statistics in isolation to decide whether he's up to scratch. Surely how the team as a whole is performing and the match results obtained is a better representation of a player's value or not?
Fuller 8 starts 7 sub 3 goals Haynes 8 starts 3 sub 5 goals Hulse 10 starts 5 sub 3 goals Kermorgant 12 starts 3 sub 5 goals BWP 10 starts 6 sub 1 goal
Interesting stats which remind me of when we were in the Premiership and Curbs said we were better off with four of five strikers who would score you four or five goals apiece than with one striker who would score you 20, and would cost somewhere north of £10 million.
So for Bartlett, Johansson, Euell, Lisbie, Jeffers etc read Fuller, Hulse, Haynes, Kermogant and BWP?
Then Curbs went and contradicted himself by finding Darren Bent who scored (I think) 18 goals in his first season.
Is there a new Bent on the horizon?
If there is, sadly he will probably be more Marcus than Darren!
Curbs wasn't wrong, we always outscored Saints (comparable team) despite them having mega-goals Beattie. Indeed our downfall started whilst we had a prolific striker - the goals dried up elsewhere
I think my point was really that you can't rely on goals alone as a metric of a striker's ability.
Good point, Dabos.
People look at a striker's goalscoring statistics in isolation to decide whether he's up to scratch. Surely how the team as a whole is performing and the match results obtained is a better representation of a player's value or not?
From what I've seen, aside from the odd game such as Leicester and Blackburn, we've struggled when BWP has started games.
I'd also say BWPs main role for us has generally been to score goals. If he's not scoring goals I don't think he offers a great deal outside the box at this level - the other strikers are more physical, hold up the ball better and work hard themselves.
I think my point was really that you can't rely on goals alone as a metric of a striker's ability.
Good point, Dabos.
People look at a striker's goalscoring statistics in isolation to decide whether he's up to scratch. Surely how the team as a whole is performing and the match results obtained is a better representation of a player's value or not?
From what I've seen, aside from the odd game such as Leicester and Blackburn, we've struggled when BWP has started games.
I'd also say BWPs main role for us has generally been to score goals. If he's not scoring goals I don't think he offers a great deal outside the box at this level - the other strikers are more physical, hold up the ball better and work hard themselves.
I'd rather he stayed but if he's not really in SCP's plans then it would probably be best for his career if he moved on and we got a few quid. He'll be warmly remembered by me if he departs.
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It was only once he move to Plymouth that he converted from winger to striker. He's definitely capable of racking up the assists if he's not scoring the goals.
We need pace up front not another lump of a striker who can hold the ball up for 'Ric the Beast'.
I think BWP would fly in this League given the chance but as has been noted on this post already, the service just isn't there.
And as for those on here who question his finishing capabilities, refresh your memory and take a look at the goals from 2011-2012.
More hope than expectation?........Really??
My what a fickle bunch we are!!
As for 'cashing in' you've just stated that he's not up to scratch? Are we waiting for Simpletons FC to come and give us a big wad for a striker than can't hit a cows proverbial with a banjo?
If we are to be non-loyalist and hard faced about who can cut it in this league, I think I might start with a few others before I showed BWP the door (with large cash offer in hand)
Fuller 8 starts 7 sub 3 goals (0.2 goals/game)
Haynes 8 starts 3 sub 5 goals (0.45)
Hulse 10 starts 5 sub 3 goals (0.3)
Kermorgant 12 starts 3 sub 5 goals (0.33)
BWP 10 starts 6 sub 1 goal (0.06)
He's bottom of the pile by a country mile and has been for best part of a year. If we can get some money for him now and use that to help fund bringing someone else in then I would think that is good business, good for BWP and good for CAFC.
Have to agree with your overall analysis of BWP.
Lots of hero to villains on this site at the moment. If we win the next 3 games, they will all be stars again.
COYR let's sort Blackpool.
People look at a striker's goalscoring statistics in isolation to decide whether he's up to scratch.
Surely how the team as a whole is performing and the match results obtained is a better representation of a player's value or not?
So for Bartlett, Johansson, Euell, Lisbie, Jeffers etc read Fuller, Hulse, Haynes, Kermogant and BWP?
Then Curbs went and contradicted himself by finding Darren Bent who scored (I think) 18 goals in his first season.
Is there a new Bent on the horizon?
If there is, sadly he will probably be more Marcus than Darren!
I'd also say BWPs main role for us has generally been to score goals. If he's not scoring goals I don't think he offers a great deal outside the box at this level - the other strikers are more physical, hold up the ball better and work hard themselves.
He'll be warmly remembered by me if he departs.
How many of those 10 League starts in the last 15 games?