He needs more cash as the move to Newham has cost him more than what he predicted (The savings will be nowhere near the £50m over five years that he states)
I'm no fan of Khan, but the toll is to pay for the Silvertown Tunnel Construction. There's no government money for it.
Pay for a tunnel that isn't actually going to help with anything, the pollution around the southside of the tunnels will be even higher, the local roads are already fucked due to restricted roads because of a barely used cycle super highway, with further problems coming in the near future with the re-building of Charlton Riverside to add another 8000 houses. I agree with many on here that we don't have enough crossings right now, but one from Thamesmead to Gallions Reach or Dagenham would have made much more sense
The narrative that everything is in order to raise money for Sadiq Khan to fritter away on Rolex Watches and Range Rovers is laughable. The ULEZ is costing around £160million to bring in. When do the profits start to roll in? Perhaps part of this overall conversation could be about the health benefits of cleaner air. Having said that, there shouldn’t be a charge for the Blackwall Tunnel as it has always been free, nor the Rotherhithe one either. Dartford as a ‘new’ crossing is different. However if every river crossing from Gravesend to Henley had a charge for vehicles it would be a fascinating happenstance.
So correct me if ive got this wrong £15 a day congestion charge £12.50 Ulez charge , for non compliant vehicles £8 toll for tunnel £35.50 each day to drive into Central London
Why would you use a tunnel to get into central London?
yeah if you're driving into central london then tbh you deserve to pay this level of idiot tax.
All good points lads and the climate debate is a no brainer, no arguments from me.
However, the general opinion of the road using public is important too, and for OUR economy more so. Your average driver for business and/or pleasure will be the most heavily taxed individual in this country, they get hit everywhere and everyway, to list it here would cause a Sage like sized post. Of course they are going to be pissed off at £4 to use a resourse that has been free to use for over 150yrs.
Probably worth pointing out that Goldsmith no doubt would have rolled ULEZ out had he won. He is a very strong environmentalist who ran an incredibly ill advised campaign.
The only reason Tories are saying they'd scrap it now is so that they can gain the votes of everyone furious at it.
The majority of people are in favour of it, but saying you will scrap it will gain way more votes than it will lose.
I am pro ULEZ but it wouldn't determine who I vote for, whereas I imagine saving £12.50 a day would be quite an incentive...
All good points lads and the climate debate is a no brainer, no arguments from me.
However, the general opinion of the road using public is important too, and for OUR economy more so. Your average driver for business and/or pleasure will be the most heavily taxed individual in this country, they get hit everywhere and everyway, to list it here would cause a Sage like sized post. Of course they are going to be pissed off at £4 to use a resourse that has been free to use for over 150yrs.
The ULEZ should cover one crossing and back also.
Ok I'll bite, I'd like to see the working on this. Inflation adjusted the costs of running a car in this country has been very reasonable. In fact car taxation and fuel duty are all lower in real terms over the past few decades. It's actually one area of society the government tries to protect because the average motorist always feels like a victim every time they are asked to pay their way.
So correct me if ive got this wrong £15 a day congestion charge £12.50 Ulez charge , for non compliant vehicles £8 toll for tunnel £35.50 each day to drive into Central London
Stay in Central London and borrow your mums car for 7 years while you live at home saving for a house 💪
The narrative that everything is in order to raise money for Sadiq Khan to fritter away on Rolex Watches and Range Rovers is laughable. The ULEZ is costing around £160million to bring in. When do the profits start to roll in? Perhaps part of this overall conversation could be about the health benefits of cleaner air. Having said that, there shouldn’t be a charge for the Blackwall Tunnel as it has always been free, nor the Rotherhithe one either. Dartford as a ‘new’ crossing is different. However if every river crossing from Gravesend to Henley had a charge for vehicles it would be a fascinating happenstance.
When do the profits start coming in? I worked it out and it's 1,100 years!
I thought on the arguments for ULEZ we established that low income households likely don’t have a car?
Surely it should be a discount for any London resident regardless of borough . As I come under Bexley council why would I be less likely to use the tunnel than someone in Plumstead for example?
Also to propose its means tested in some way is an admin overhead and makes it more expensive to manage the scheme.
I thought on the arguments for ULEZ we established that low income households likely don’t have a car?
Surely it should be a discount for any London resident regardless of borough . As I come under Bexley council why would I be less likely to use the tunnel than someone in Plumstead for example?
Also to propose its means tested in some way is an admin overhead and makes it more expensive to manage the scheme.
Feels like a smokescreen.
My thoughts too. One minute it's 'low income drivers are the ones suffering and less likely to own a car' the next it's a plea to the government to help low income drivers afford the charge. Classic Khan.
An unwanted and pointless additional crossing that will do nothing re congestion and tolls as well - utterly f***ing pointless. On top of that sounds like local residents won't get any discounts.
Cornish MP Sherll Murray has today asked at PMQs for the Tamar Toll to be removed.
Her argument was that this 'tax' made her part of Cornwall less competitive. She asked that 'levelling up' should be applied. Well if her argument is allowed to stand what about us poor SE Londoners? With tolls to apply at Blackwall, Silvertown and Dartford we are discriminated against. We too could do with some levelling up to our - North of the river - cousins.
Cornish MP Sherll Murray has today asked at PMQs for the Tamar Toll to be removed.
Her argument was that this 'tax' made her part of Cornwall less competitive. She asked that 'levelling up' should be applied. Well if her argument is allowed to stand what about us poor SE Londoners? With tolls to apply at Blackwall, Silvertown and Dartford we are discriminated against. We too could do with some levelling up to our - North of the river - cousins.
It’s not north of the river, it’s west of the meridian.
Cornish MP Sherll Murray has today asked at PMQs for the Tamar Toll to be removed.
Her argument was that this 'tax' made her part of Cornwall less competitive. She asked that 'levelling up' should be applied. Well if her argument is allowed to stand what about us poor SE Londoners? With tolls to apply at Blackwall, Silvertown and Dartford we are discriminated against. We too could do with some levelling up to our - North of the river - cousins.
Cornish MP Sherll Murray has today asked at PMQs for the Tamar Toll to be removed.
Her argument was that this 'tax' made her part of Cornwall less competitive. She asked that 'levelling up' should be applied. Well if her argument is allowed to stand what about us poor SE Londoners? With tolls to apply at Blackwall, Silvertown and Dartford we are discriminated against. We too could do with some levelling up to our - North of the river - cousins.
Sorry but the charge will be both ways so level.
I assume this is in effect non negotiable as the financial model now likely requires the income.
What irks me most is the perception of deceit. Why not just be up front about it in advance of the build.
I do wonder why there can’t be a modest compromise of some form of discount for local residents (Greenwich, Bexley , Bromley and Lewisham who frankly have no choice relative to other London crossings).
Cornish MP Sherll Murray has today asked at PMQs for the Tamar Toll to be removed.
Her argument was that this 'tax' made her part of Cornwall less competitive. She asked that 'levelling up' should be applied. Well if her argument is allowed to stand what about us poor SE Londoners? With tolls to apply at Blackwall, Silvertown and Dartford we are discriminated against. We too could do with some levelling up to our - North of the river - cousins.
Sorry but the charge will be both ways so level.
True, but in all the years I used the Blackwall tunnel the morning rush hour was 99 percent heading north and the evening rush hour 99 percent South. The vast majority of users were heading to work in the City or beyond. Those scallywags from Essex get away with it scot free.
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The ULEZ is costing around £160million to bring in. When do the profits start to roll in?
Perhaps part of this overall conversation could be about the health benefits of cleaner air.
Having said that, there shouldn’t be a charge for the Blackwall Tunnel as it has always been free, nor the Rotherhithe one either.
Dartford as a ‘new’ crossing is different.
However if every river crossing from Gravesend to Henley had a charge for vehicles it would be a fascinating happenstance.
apply-for-a-Dart-Charge-pre-pay-account.pdf (pay-dartford-crossing-charge.service.gov.uk)
Utter f***ing joke.
However, the general opinion of the road using public is important too, and for OUR economy more so. Your average driver for business and/or pleasure will be the most heavily taxed individual in this country, they get hit everywhere and everyway, to list it here would cause a Sage like sized post. Of course they are going to be pissed off at £4 to use a resourse that has been free to use for over 150yrs.
The ULEZ should cover one crossing and back also.
The only reason Tories are saying they'd scrap it now is so that they can gain the votes of everyone furious at it.
The majority of people are in favour of it, but saying you will scrap it will gain way more votes than it will lose.
I am pro ULEZ but it wouldn't determine who I vote for, whereas I imagine saving £12.50 a day would be quite an incentive...
Sadiq Khan hints that drivers could be charged £5.25 to use Blackwall Tunnel and Silvertown Tunnel
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sadiq-khan-drivers-charged-5-25-blackwall-tunnel-silvertown/People would hate it if the charges were consistent with Dartford, but probably accept them as being reasonable or at least logical.
A huge cost for little or no benefit.
Apropos nothing, the band Patto once had a verse in a song that went:
#Henley Regatta
With Jomo Kenyatta
Oars at the ready
Steady boys steady#
Her argument was that this 'tax' made her part of Cornwall less competitive. She asked that 'levelling up' should be applied. Well if her argument is allowed to stand what about us poor SE Londoners? With tolls to apply at Blackwall, Silvertown and Dartford we are discriminated against. We too could do with some levelling up to our - North of the river - cousins.