A few fibs on here. I spoke to a member of the coaching staff around the time that Clarke signed. He said that he Powell thought he could turn him round, but it wasn't panning out as hoped, as much as result of his off field attitude, as his performances. Remember Powell had him coming on as a sub and starting matches before it became apparent that he wasn't up to scratch. Let's please not start pretending that every player that doesn't work out is something that's been done by the board in their plan to reduce the club to it's knees. Can't say that I have any information about Alonso, but no reason to believe that he was signed by a different method to Yann, Cort, Hollands et al.
A few fibs on here. I spoke to a member of the coaching staff around the time that Clarke signed. He said that he Powell thought he could turn him round, but it wasn't panning out as hoped, as much as result of his off field attitude, as his performances. Remember Powell had him coming on as a sub and starting matches before it became apparent that he wasn't up to scratch. Let's please not start pretending that every player that doesn't work out is something that's been done by the board in their plan to reduce the club to it's knees. Can't say that I have any information about Alonso, but no reason to believe that he was signed by a different method to Yann, Cort, Hollands et al.
I was actually under the impression the board put forward/signed a fair few players themselves
A few fibs on here. I spoke to a member of the coaching staff around the time that Clarke signed. He said that he Powell thought he could turn him round, but it wasn't panning out as hoped, as much as result of his off field attitude, as his performances. Remember Powell had him coming on as a sub and starting matches before it became apparent that he wasn't up to scratch. Let's please not start pretending that every player that doesn't work out is something that's been done by the board in their plan to reduce the club to it's knees. Can't say that I have any information about Alonso, but no reason to believe that he was signed by a different method to Yann, Cort, Hollands et al.
That's a good post. You're right, he was playing him for a while over Hayes and such so he must have liked the look of him to start with.
Let's please not start pretending that every player that doesn't work out is something that's been done by the board in their plan to reduce the club to it's knees.
Just to be clear, is that what you are accusing me of? Straight answer, please.
As we all know Strikers thrive on confidence and unfortunately it did'nt work out for him with us, maybe its our style of play, who knows, benson has been a hit at Swindon since he went and Clarke was prolific in his time at Chesterfield, I know its a division lower so thats obviously a factor and probably his level, I know its off topic but, IMO, I think the arrival of Fuller is going to be a massive boost to us, Personally I think its best that he is gone and hopefully a permanent deal can be done.
Not too much wrong with the man. He's probably a League 1 or 2 player but he's still a pro. It didn't work out for him with us, but just because a dozen or so people on here don't rate him doesn't necessarily mean he can't play. Hope he does well at Scunthorpe.
Thanks for that PA, I did wonder why CP had bought a player who he very quickly decided he did not rate, now we know he did not.
And we "know" that because, what?
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I actually think your overall scepticism is the correct approach on the net, and I've got no problem when you apply it to me in this way. Can I say enough, do I even have enough to overcome that scepticism? Probably not. I can tell you some things about why i felt confident enough to post this, and leave you to make up your mind. 1. The first time I heard this was several months ago. The source is someone i trust, and would be in a reasonable position to know. But not in the room when the signing was made. You note that I didn't post it on here at that time. Incidentally this same source assured me that Ricardo Fuller was indeed a Powell signing, because I wondered. 2. It was confirmed indirectly to me by somebody else who would be in an even better position to know, during the summer. 3. Nevertheless, in a situation like this when the sources are strong but there are no hard facts or first hand statements, I try to apply some common sense. I'm also an optimist. In the case of Mikel Alonso I really hoped he'd be good. I like cultured continental midfielders. In the case of Clarke, I wasn't sure what to think, but I happened to be at the Brentford game when he came on, and I hoped for the best. What I saw was one of those "WTF?" moments. That performance is referred to above by others, and I guess I don't need to describe it further. I thought about it a lot before eventually posting. The fact is that players are signed over a manager's head quite a lot. Think Tevez and Masch. at West Ham. Think Owen to Liverpool, and look at the pressure when a manager resists. That gives you a clue as to why Powell played him. Better to prove that he's not good enough, than to dig your heels in with the bloke who will say that he pays your salary. 4. What Mortimerician says, quoting a source, does not necessarily conflict with what I said. You could argue that it fits well with how I explain why Powell played him. 5. Privately other people on CL have confirmed to me they've heard the same thing about Clarke and Alonso, but from different sources. So there you are. I wasn't in the room, I wasn't even in the country. But my sources are overall credible and it seemed to fit with what I saw on the pitch. I understand that such a statement potentially inflames feeling against the current board, and that is why I didn't immediately mention it. Furthermore, it is possible that I am wrong. Then again, as I mention, it is a more common occurrence in football than we perhaps care to admit. That doesn't make it good or smart. There is definitely a role for directors to conduct the financial negotiations. There is no role for them to choose players without the manager's enthusiastic endorsement. You will make of that what you will, just as we all do with everything that is not backed by hard incontrovertible fact.
Protected sources, indirect information. This Site really makes me smile. If a 'source' leaks something to you.......be fair, you should never pass it on, and almost certainly woul not. Indirect information is gossip. "I know someone" is gossip.......This applies to so many threads on here. I know this because I know someone that works at the Club......
PA as far as I have seen isn't the kind of guy that would make up stuff on here to stroke his own ego, and has been supplying a lot of ideas and points on the recent financial insecurities of our club. I may just be blinded by his long sentences and eloquence, but if he says Alonso wasnt a Powell signing, I am inclined to believe him
Prague is a positive Charlton fan but also a realist and I'm pretty certain he has mentioned he has Richard Murrays number on his phone.... so he isn't any tom dick or harry spouting shit from the rooftops I don't agree with all he says but he is one of the few who is worth listening to and I am not so ignore what I posted ! And without the likes of prague, airman and co's ooooomph in the dark days we might not be sitting here now talking about Charlton v Palace it could have been Crystal Athletic v millwall......
Prague would not post anything unless he was certain it was true. Knowing who he is and who he knows then I am inclined to trust what he says more than any other poster on here, bar one maybe.
Prague would not post anything unless he was certain it was true. Knowing who he is and who he knows then I am inclined to trust what he says more than any other poster on here, bar one maybe.
I’m not surprised Clarke wasn’t interested in being with us. I remember the entire covered end singing Paolo Di Canios name at him when Chesterfield visited! Harsh but fair!!!!
Im sure he will do a good job for them, not good enough for us now but i feel he was one of those players who many of are fans decided was gonna be poor and not like him from the day we signed him.
Prague would not post anything unless he was certain it was true. Knowing who he is and who he knows then I am inclined to trust what he says more than any other poster on here, bar one maybe.
Up until this summer I would have agreed with you, in fact Prague would have been on my list of only 4 posters who I trust (Prague, Airman, Henry, Mick Collins) however he has now made a few posts that, for me at least, have relagated him back into the pack of "I'll wait and see" posters.
E.G. This one, when insollywetrust said Covered End was speculating when he stated that Solly had already agreed terms with West Ham.
"I disagree. Look at the record of people posting before you slag them off. Covered End doesnt say things like that without a good reason."
Solly is still here, the fans aren't booing him for holding the club to ransome, so I assume (Hope) that Covered end and Prague were wrong.
We may or may not have been wrong. But I was led to believe, that Solly had agreed terms with W Ham about 6 weeks ago. It then remained to be seen, if the two clubs could agree terms.
I'm presuming W Ham didn't make a sufficient follow up offer. Because, if they had & Charlton had accepted, it would have gone through immediately as Solly had already agreed terms.
Prague would not post anything unless he was certain it was true. Knowing who he is and who he knows then I am inclined to trust what he says more than any other poster on here, bar one maybe.
Up until this summer I would have agreed with you, in fact Prague would have been on my list of only 4 posters who I trust (Prague, Airman, Henry, Mick Collins) however he has now made a few posts that, for me at least, have relagated him back into the pack of "I'll wait and see" posters.
S--t. Relegated again! However Wheresmeticket above has a point, this thread is becoming about posters, and I am sorry for my role in that. If you care to PM me and tell me which other posts have disappointed you, I'll see if I can explain myself to you a bit better. I do think you should have quoted InSollyWeTrust's post directly, since you were able to post my reply, but lets discuss that privately too.
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I actually think your overall scepticism is the correct approach on the net, and I've got no problem when you apply it to me in this way. Can I say enough, do I even have enough to overcome that scepticism? Probably not. I can tell you some things about why i felt confident enough to post this, and leave you to make up your mind.
1. The first time I heard this was several months ago. The source is someone i trust, and would be in a reasonable position to know. But not in the room when the signing was made. You note that I didn't post it on here at that time. Incidentally this same source assured me that Ricardo Fuller was indeed a Powell signing, because I wondered.
2. It was confirmed indirectly to me by somebody else who would be in an even better position to know, during the summer.
3. Nevertheless, in a situation like this when the sources are strong but there are no hard facts or first hand statements, I try to apply some common sense. I'm also an optimist. In the case of Mikel Alonso I really hoped he'd be good. I like cultured continental midfielders. In the case of Clarke, I wasn't sure what to think, but I happened to be at the Brentford game when he came on, and I hoped for the best. What I saw was one of those "WTF?" moments. That performance is referred to above by others, and I guess I don't need to describe it further.
I thought about it a lot before eventually posting. The fact is that players are signed over a manager's head quite a lot. Think Tevez and Masch. at West Ham. Think Owen to Liverpool, and look at the pressure when a manager resists. That gives you a clue as to why Powell played him. Better to prove that he's not good enough, than to dig your heels in with the bloke who will say that he pays your salary.
4. What Mortimerician says, quoting a source, does not necessarily conflict with what I said. You could argue that it fits well with how I explain why Powell played him.
5. Privately other people on CL have confirmed to me they've heard the same thing about Clarke and Alonso, but from different sources.
So there you are. I wasn't in the room, I wasn't even in the country. But my sources are overall credible and it seemed to fit with what I saw on the pitch. I understand that such a statement potentially inflames feeling against the current board, and that is why I didn't immediately mention it. Furthermore, it is possible that I am wrong. Then again, as I mention, it is a more common occurrence in football than we perhaps care to admit. That doesn't make it good or smart. There is definitely a role for directors to conduct the financial negotiations. There is no role for them to choose players without the manager's enthusiastic endorsement.
You will make of that what you will, just as we all do with everything that is not backed by hard incontrovertible fact.
Not sure whether to feel grateful, scared or worried. But in truth, I don't really think I care.
I don't agree with all he says but he is one of the few who is worth listening to and I am not so ignore what I posted !
And without the likes of prague, airman and co's ooooomph in the dark days we might not be sitting here now talking about Charlton v Palace it could have been Crystal Athletic v millwall......
Boring narcissism.
Wow thats deep for a Monday! :-0
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And SCP was only playing Clarke to show how useless he was?! Great management!
Good luck to Clarke, hope he takes his chance and proves his worth, he obviousley knows where the goal is if given the chance...
E.G. This one, when insollywetrust said Covered End was speculating when he stated that Solly had already agreed terms with West Ham.
"I disagree. Look at the record of people posting before you slag them off. Covered End doesnt say things like that without a good reason."
Solly is still here, the fans aren't booing him for holding the club to ransome, so I assume (Hope) that Covered end and Prague were wrong.
I'm presuming W Ham didn't make a sufficient follow up offer. Because, if they had & Charlton had accepted, it would have gone through immediately as Solly had already agreed terms.
S--t. Relegated again! However Wheresmeticket above has a point, this thread is becoming about posters, and I am sorry for my role in that. If you care to PM me and tell me which other posts have disappointed you, I'll see if I can explain myself to you a bit better. I do think you should have quoted InSollyWeTrust's post directly, since you were able to post my reply, but lets discuss that privately too.