Seems that the current situation the club finds itself in regarding any future expansion would surely be something the "still new" owners would be fully aware of just sixteen months ago and is it possible that a long term view of The Valley is outside of their business plan timeframe ? I have no knowledge or real opinion on this other than it has oft been said by posters that the possible / likely strategy given the possibility / likelihood that we have other owners apart from Slater and JIminez that the business plan would be to get Charlton into the PL a soon as is reasonably possible and then seek to sell on at a profit ? Expensive long term investment in ground expansion might well be not attractive to the current owners given that 27k would be adequate in the short term if PL status was to be achieved ?
Even if the current owners want to cash in when Charlton re-establish themselves as a Prem team, surely the means to expand the ground would provide a greater potential sale value?
I hope the current owners are in this plan the long term it should not matter what division the club is in.
I am sure there is a long term plan but we have to be realistic. The new owners are not like RM and the other shareholders of the previous regime. They were fans who hoped to steer the club to the promised land, keep it there and possibly get out with some money left, but also were prepared to lose their shirts for the sake of the club they loved. Yes the new owners understand there is a risk of losing their shirts, there is no guarantee of success, but they will have weighed up the costs at an entry point, the clubs potential to return to the big time and the costs associated with that, and the possible exit value of the club back in the Premier League. They will of course not expect it all to fall into place over night. My guess is that they didn't expect promotion this season, desirable though it would be, and thus we are ahead of the curve in turns of their business plan which I think would be premier league in four to five years from the date they took over.
I doubt very much if they would have a plan to re-develop the ground or move away. My guess is that their primary focus would be the restoration of Premier League football.
Once the building is complete then CAFC buy the properties and rent them out until "things can only get better" times. they would then have more control should it be decided to expand the ground and in the meantime receiving money from the rented properties....Sorted ;o)
Once the building is complete then CAFC buy the properties and rent them out until "things can only get better" times. they would then have more control should it be decided to expand the ground and in the meantime receiving money from the rented properties....Sorted ;o)
Nice idea but you have get planning permission to demolish residential. No guarantee you would.
Once the building is complete then CAFC buy the properties and rent them out until "things can only get better" times. they would then have more control should it be decided to expand the ground and in the meantime receiving money from the rented properties....Sorted ;o)
Nice idea but you have get planning permission to demolish residential. No guarantee you would.
PP is required for change of use. Never heard it being a requirement for the demolition of a domestic dwelling - unless it's Listed.
Airman, heard a little snippet a couple of weeks back that the land behind the house was actually sold by SK - are you aware if this is true?
Just my naive view here and I may well be wrong im sure somebody will correct me if thats the case.
Currently lansdowne mews serves as an emergency exit for both the south and east stands. Circa 10k people potentially. Aswell as being accessible by emergency vehicles fire and ambulance. Now im assuming that the emergency access must remain, and a path/road able to cope with 10k people must still be in place. Could building machinery not use said path to gain access to cafc land to allow building work? Why must it be placee on lansdowne mews?
I wonder how pee-ed off the owner is of his 'end of terrace' house becoming mid-terrace. Must be a pain to have neighbours adjoined on both sides.......and lose value in your haow in the bargain! Bummer! (though a little, devil in me is smiling at the same time!)
I wonder how pee-ed off the owner is of his 'end of terrace' house becoming mid-terrace. Must be a pain to have neighbours adjoined on both sides.......and lose value in your haow in the bargain! Bummer! (though a little, devil in me is smiling at the same time!)
They might be very happy, if it's built on their land and they stand to make a tidy sum from it (I don't know this though - just guessing).
I wonder how pee-ed off the owner is of his 'end of terrace' house becoming mid-terrace. Must be a pain to have neighbours adjoined on both sides.......and lose value in your haow in the bargain! Bummer! (though a little, devil in me is smiling at the same time!)
They might be very happy, if it's built on their land and they stand to make a tidy sum from it (I don't know this though - just guessing).
The builder also owns the adjoining house I believe.
Though I'd re-visit this seeing as it all appears to have gone quiet.
Turns out a new planning application has recently gone into LBG. It seems that the original permission to build a block of 17 residential flats is now no longer on the agenda.
The new application is for 8 four bed semi detached houses. The application itself is very comprehensive and the development proposals have obviously been well thought out. However the applicant is the same developer as the original application.
IT also appears that another Application was put in for a similar development last October, which was refused.
Previous Scheme October 2013 - Refused This proposal was submitted in October 2013. The proposal consisted of 8 houses arranged in 4 pairs of semi-detached properties. The architectural articualtion of the units was designed to pick up the scale and materiallity of the existing buildings in the area. This scheme was refused planning permission in April 2014 for 5 reasons. • It was considered that the front dormer window’s design was out of keeping with the design of the building and its surrounding area. • The proposed development failed to demonstrate adequate internal living and private outdoor space. • The proposed development failed to fully demonstrate that the new residential accommodation complied with the requirements of the Lifetime Homes standards • The proposed development failed to demonstrate adequate cycle parking. • The proposed development failed to demonstrate that adequate recycling and waste storage facilities would be provided.
Interesting that they didn't appeal the refusal. The principle of residential development is established by the existing consent so it looks as if it's a battle about how much can reasonably be fitted on the site. It will only end with the developer getting permission, one way or another.
Obviously it's of no relevance at the moment, but I presume our new owners do have some sort of long term plan for the ground, and what capacity they would like it to be?
We'd only sell out 5/6 games in the Prem with the current capacity, I wouldnt worry about not having a 40k stadium just yet.
Really? I'm pretty sure we sold out (home areas at least) virtually every game during our 7 years in the prem. Below are our premiership averages since the completion of the covered end and corners. Allowing for fluctuations in away support, looks like we sold out the home areas at practically every game for 5 seasons, even in our relegation season:
This and bearing in mind the empty seated area for segregation,those who wanted at least two seats together,not single seats apart, we effectively sold out.
Theres plenty of support out there even if Charlton are not their favourite club,but would attend,if not every game,if we were in the Prem
Was only talking to a city fan yesterday who would buy a season ticket if we were in the Prem.
We'd only sell out 5/6 games in the Prem with the current capacity, I wouldnt worry about not having a 40k stadium just yet.
Really? I'm pretty sure we sold out (home areas at least) virtually every game during our 7 years in the prem. Below are our premiership averages since the completion of the covered end and corners. Allowing for fluctuations in away support, looks like we sold out the home areas at practically every game for 5 seasons, even in our relegation season:
This and bearing in mind the empty seated area for segregation,those who wanted at least two seats together,not single seats apart, we effectively sold out.
Theres plenty of support out there even if Charlton are not their favourite club,but would attend,if not every game,if we were in the Prem
Was only talking to a city fan yesterday who would buy a season ticket if we were in the Prem.
The problem being that that applies to most clubs outside the PL giants. How many hard core supporters will Fulham still have after a couple of years outside the PL? How many casual supporters will desert Palace once they get relegated? etc
Reading (like us) had opmistic expansion plans before they got relegated
I've been impressed with Norwich's attendances over recent years, they still virtually sell out, whereas we are only selling 58% of our seats, about the same as Millwall...
We'd only sell out 5/6 games in the Prem with the current capacity, I wouldnt worry about not having a 40k stadium just yet.
Really? I'm pretty sure we sold out (home areas at least) virtually every game during our 7 years in the prem. Below are our premiership averages since the completion of the covered end and corners. Allowing for fluctuations in away support, looks like we sold out the home areas at practically every game for 5 seasons, even in our relegation season:
This and bearing in mind the empty seated area for segregation,those who wanted at least two seats together,not single seats apart, we effectively sold out.
Theres plenty of support out there even if Charlton are not their favourite club,but would attend,if not every game,if we were in the Prem
Was only talking to a city fan yesterday who would buy a season ticket if we were in the Prem.
The problem being that that applies to most clubs outside the PL giants. How many hard core supporters will Fulham still have after a couple of years outside the PL? How many casual supporters will desert Palace once they get relegated? etc
Reading (like us) had opmistic expansion plans before they got relegated
I've been impressed with Norwich's attendances over recent years, they still virtually sell out, whereas we are only selling 58% of our seats, about the same as Millwall...
Norwich do have a captive audience though. Apart from football and counting mangle worzals, what else is there to do in Norwich?
Not much football wise around Norwich for miles mate,except for them of course.
When Charlton were in the Prem, in work I asked twenty non Charlton supporters if they would go down the Valley if they knew they could get in by just walking up.
Nineteen out of the twenty said yes,not every game of course,but bearing in mind when they did, most would possibly/probably go with someone.
Obviously it's of no relevance at the moment, but I presume our new owners do have some sort of long term plan for the ground, and what capacity they would like it to be?
I wonder if they do? As far as I can recall neither RD or KM have mentioned anything.
Obviously it's of no relevance at the moment, but I presume our new owners do have some sort of long term plan for the ground, and what capacity they would like it to be?
I wonder if they do? As far as I can recall neither RD or KM have mentioned anything.
I'm sure RD must have reviewed The Valley, the amount of money spent in the summer on the pitch and new seats shows that's he's prepared to spend more than the bare minimum on it
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I doubt very much if they would have a plan to re-develop the ground or move away. My guess is that their primary focus would be the restoration of Premier League football.
Airman, heard a little snippet a couple of weeks back that the land behind the house was actually sold by SK - are you aware if this is true?
Currently lansdowne mews serves as an emergency exit for both the south and east stands. Circa 10k people potentially. Aswell as being accessible by emergency vehicles fire and ambulance.
Now im assuming that the emergency access must remain, and a path/road able to cope with 10k people must still be in place.
Could building machinery not use said path to gain access to cafc land to allow building work? Why must it be placee on lansdowne mews?
Turns out a new planning application has recently gone into LBG. It seems that the original permission to build a block of 17 residential flats is now no longer on the agenda.
The new application is for 8 four bed semi detached houses. The application itself is very comprehensive and the development proposals have obviously been well thought out. However the applicant is the same developer as the original application.
http://publicaccess.royalgreenwich.gov.uk:81/online-applications/files/F9BC268EF6B6C0B08B49EA8F45D55F60/pdf/14_2447_F-DESIGN___ACCESS_STATEMENT-260554.pdf
EDITED after seeing the documentation!
Previous Scheme October 2013 - Refused
This proposal was submitted in October 2013. The proposal
consisted of 8 houses arranged in 4 pairs of semi-detached
properties.
The architectural articualtion of the units was designed to pick up
the scale and materiallity of the existing buildings in the area.
This scheme was refused planning permission in April 2014 for 5
reasons.
• It was considered that the front dormer window’s design
was out of keeping with the design of the building and its
surrounding area.
• The proposed development failed to demonstrate adequate
internal living and private outdoor space.
• The proposed development failed to fully demonstrate
that the new residential accommodation complied with the
requirements of the Lifetime Homes standards
• The proposed development failed to demonstrate adequate
cycle parking.
• The proposed development failed to demonstrate that
adequate recycling and waste storage facilities would be
provided.
It's really quite a comprehensive application.
02/03 - 26.2k
03/04 - 26.3k
04/05 - 26.4k
05/06 - 26.2k
06/07 - 26.2k
This and bearing in mind the empty seated area for segregation,those who wanted at least two seats together,not single seats apart, we effectively sold out.
Theres plenty of support out there even if Charlton are not their favourite club,but would attend,if not every game,if we were in the Prem
Was only talking to a city fan yesterday who would buy a season ticket if we were in the Prem.
Theres plenty of support out there even if Charlton are not their favourite club,but would attend,if not every game,if we were in the Prem
Was only talking to a city fan yesterday who would buy a season ticket if we were in the Prem.
The problem being that that applies to most clubs outside the PL giants. How many hard core supporters will Fulham still have after a couple of years outside the PL? How many casual supporters will desert Palace once they get relegated? etc
Reading (like us) had opmistic expansion plans before they got relegated
http://www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=england2
I've been impressed with Norwich's attendances over recent years, they still virtually sell out, whereas we are only selling 58% of our seats, about the same as Millwall...
Reading (like us) had opmistic expansion plans before they got relegated
http://www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=england2
I've been impressed with Norwich's attendances over recent years, they still virtually sell out, whereas we are only selling 58% of our seats, about the same as Millwall...
Norwich do have a captive audience though. Apart from football and counting mangle worzals, what else is there to do in Norwich?
When Charlton were in the Prem, in work I asked twenty non Charlton supporters if they would go down the Valley if they knew they could get in by just walking up.
Nineteen out of the twenty said yes,not every game of course,but bearing in mind when they did, most would possibly/probably go with someone.
40,000 capacity in the Prem would be Ideal IMO
Something fishy going on there,IMO.
I understood there was a ruling that a major club cannot move into anothers area?
Also they nicked Defoe from us and the family moved into a very nice house.
And the two Argentinians wer'nt played until they were in the shite,played them,stayed up and received 30 mill? next season from Sky.
As I understand they got fined 6 mill?