We'd only sell out 5/6 games in the Prem with the current capacity, I wouldnt worry about not having a 40k stadium just yet.
Really? I'm pretty sure we sold out (home areas at least) virtually every game during our 7 years in the prem. Below are our premiership averages since the completion of the covered end and corners. Allowing for fluctuations in away support, looks like we sold out the home areas at practically every game for 5 seasons, even in our relegation season:
I think this weekend proved that give us something to shout about and the ground will sell out. I agree it's not worth worrying about expansion in the near future, from a business point of view you'd always want capacity to be no bigger than demand, else you're wasting money building that capacity, and lighting it, etc.
Personally I think the first expansion should be the SW corner. Would add a couple of thousand seats, allow moving of the away fans into the corner, and could be designed so that we don't lose 400+ seats to segregation when opponents don't take up their full allocation. Also it's on the opposite side to the tv gantry so would make the ground look bigger on TV, with the likelihood being those extra seats would all be full.
There was a hell of a lot of non Charlton at the game on Saturday including a few Arsenal singing Robin Van Persie songs outside which was a bit annoying but if the money was there it would be great to see the East finished off and room for more great initiatives to fill the ground and improve the corporate income.
Not an untypical move by property developers if they believe they have land that's more valuable to a third party than themselves. Trouble is, we effectively sold it to them so they would be rather naive to assume we would be panicked into trying to but it back. If we had just won promotion to the PL I would be more sympathetic to the idea that we might be seriously considering ground expansion but not in the Chumpionship.
Only just had the opportunity to look at this after asking the question of Airman - there can be no mistaking, this is a serious planning application for a small development behind the southern part of the East Stand, accessed from Lansdowne Mews. A lot of money and time has gone into making this application and it fulfills the local planning criteria, assuming some of the properties are for 80% market rent rather than just sale.
The Club have definitely been made aware as stated on the application. Planning notices would have gone up in Lansdowne Mews as well - so I'm surprised I never noticed them.
The application however hasn't been granted yet, despite the decision date of 24th February, so I suspect it is pending - probably as a result of the petition (who by and how many signatures it doesn't say - though notification letters have gone to 75 residents) rather than of the three objections (of which I assume CAFC would have been one). I expect that Jessica Lai, the planning case officer would be able to confirm.
The big question on this is why did Bob Whitehand sell this land to a spec builder/developer, rather than give CAFC first refusal?
I can't imagine 0.2 hectares of land here with no planning permission achieving anything more that £100k on the open market. It's probably worth three times tha with planning permission.
Why do I get the feeling that The Valley days are numbered?
:-(
Another good thing gone.
eh? Bit dramatic even for you len?
Just an opinion.
If expansion is "buggered" it is highly likely to happen.
Realistic rather than dramatic.
Jesus Len. It's neither realistic nor an opinion. It's just you taking yet another opportunity to worry out loud like an old woman.
Nothing, I repeat NOTHING has "gone" at this moment in time. What happens - or may happen - in the future always has to be gloomy with you.
And to think that the older generation moan about the kids of today having no gumption. I seriously wonder how you've made it this far in life without just jacking it all in.
Why is it so strange that Len expresses a worry that the Valley might one day not any longer be the home of Charlton Athletic. Clubs move to new stadia every season and I bet that fans on their message boards said exactly the same thing about don't worry it won't happen. If the board feel its right to move then it will happen. If they don't it won't. We won't get much say in it one way or the other. With The Royal Borough of Greenwich already having stated that a new stadium is a possibility on the peninsula we are right to be concerned if not worried.
Why is it so strange that Len expresses a worry that the Valley might one day not any longer be the home of Charlton Athletic. Clubs move to new stadia every season and I bet that fans on their message boards said exactly the same thing about don't worry it won't happen. If the board feel its right to move then it will happen. If they don't it won't. We won't get much say in it one way or the other. With The Royal Borough of Greenwich already having stated that a new stadium is a possibility on the peninsula we are right to be concerned if not worried.
But he didn't "express a worry" SHG, he said the valley's days were numbered and a good thing had gone. Not might go, or worried that it might go, but "gone" , as in the past tense.
I've no problem with people expressing concerns - and Len knows that over the years that we have shared some of th3 same concerns - but come on, does it always have to be so bloody miserably and pessimisticly put across?
originally I thought we were talking about the 8 or so car parking spaces at the start of Lansdown Mews - then someone posted a pic of what I thought was the derelict house that Charlton bought a few years agi just before the turnstiles.
The applicant looks to be selling their home(last development) to fund this. Check out 8 Orchard Avenue, Belvedere on Zoopla(address given on council website). A 1mm plus home built in Belvedere(yes Belvedere!). Also note Chelsea shirt in pictures of house. From the pictures of the house you can see it's a serious developer! Expect no favours!
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02/03 - 26.2k
03/04 - 26.3k
04/05 - 26.4k
05/06 - 26.2k
06/07 - 26.2k
That being said, we've been away for so long we may be able to attract those semi-Charlton fans back to the ground.
Personally I think the first expansion should be the SW corner. Would add a couple of thousand seats, allow moving of the away fans into the corner, and could be designed so that we don't lose 400+ seats to segregation when opponents don't take up their full allocation. Also it's on the opposite side to the tv gantry so would make the ground look bigger on TV, with the likelihood being those extra seats would all be full.
former players houses I was told by the locals living opposite.
Hope this doesnt mean the end of that.
The Club have definitely been made aware as stated on the application. Planning notices would have gone up in Lansdowne Mews as well - so I'm surprised I never noticed them.
The application however hasn't been granted yet, despite the decision date of 24th February, so I suspect it is pending - probably as a result of the petition (who by and how many signatures it doesn't say - though notification letters have gone to 75 residents) rather than of the three objections (of which I assume CAFC would have been one). I expect that Jessica Lai, the planning case officer would be able to confirm.
Anyone with any contacts at Greenwich?
I can't imagine 0.2 hectares of land here with no planning permission achieving anything more that £100k on the open market. It's probably worth three times tha with planning permission.
Am I missing something?
Easy £500k profit to be made from 17 flats and four semis here.
Nothing, I repeat NOTHING has "gone" at this moment in time. What happens - or may happen - in the future always has to be gloomy with you.
And to think that the older generation moan about the kids of today having no gumption. I seriously wonder how you've made it this far in life without just jacking it all in.
If anyone could put up an arieal view, showing the location of this plot, it would be appreciated...........
I've no problem with people expressing concerns - and Len knows that over the years that we have shared some of th3 same concerns - but come on, does it always have to be so bloody miserably and pessimisticly put across?
;o)
http://onlineplanning.greenwich.gov.uk/acolnet/documents/46199_5.pdf
Those Red Devils have got a lot to answer for.