My best mate from uni is a ref (he run the line at Charlton vs. Norwich a couple of years ago) and has reffed a Yeovil game this season as well as a few lines.
That being said, he says it's an old boys club and like in any walk of life there is a case of "who you know" rather than how good you are. He's dug in reffing in the Welsh leagues whilst studying at uni and travelled miles midweek and at weekends whilst running the marketing department at London Dungeons but he thinks he'll never get the respect or breaks to make a decent living because he doesn't know the right people.
Why are the officials allowed to get overweight. He made sone poor decisions and the Lino couldn't see over his belly at times for decisions under his nose. They had to emphasise this fact by waving their rears at us during their warm up! I hope they apologise to the players.
Right. Just seen the reds on Sky. Hollands is harsh. Caught the bloke but one footed and along the ground. Booking. M'Voto went straight through Yann and was rightly booked. Wagstaff's is laughable. He clearly slips over and his momentum takes him into the player. Kettle was 3 yards away. Pathetic decision.
As someone who criticised the ref at Huddersfield for letting far worse challenges go I will stick up for Kettle. Hollands had absolutely no need to go diving in like that - it was plain stupid, whether it was a red or a yellow he was to blame. The first two yellow cards today were nailed on. Waggy for a cynical trip after he had lost possession. He was lucky the ref didn't think he was the last man. Then more or less the same thing at the other end when Waggy skinned their full back. Also could have been red on another day.
If the ref at Hudds had used the yellow card earlier, as he should have, the game would have panned out very differently. That dropped ball was the silliest thing I have seen in a long time.
As for the Lino today not seeing the ball go out when he was about three feet away....? The bloke at Scunny did something similar too.
I only heard the game from the bbc radio commentory, but it did seem like a ref who wanted to be consistent, that is consistently inept, and dish out cards regardless of the conditions of the pitch which we were told was poor. The Wagstaff card seemed the most ridiculous as the commentators claimed he fell over?. So well done ref, instead of talking about the game we are talking about your poor management of the game, not the football. as both teams are complaining he probably thinks on balance that he got it about right, not that he over reacted the first half, and then instead of reflecting on his control of the game at half time, just carried on. No one said officiating was easy, this ref just made it harder for his colleagues as the commentators stated, when he blew his whistle you were not sure who he was going to favour.
As someone who has only seen the incidents on TV, I would be prepared to accept the views of those of you defending the ref except I also saw the Basey incident, which was worse than anything that I saw from today's match. Mr. Kettle is poor as far as I am concerned.
Ashtray, just out of interest where you at the game, don't think you where otherwise you might have a different viewpoint. Could understand the first sending off, but the other 2 bookings for their final yellows where a complete joke. If mr Kettle had been consist the wouldn't he have sent of the Oldham player that floored Kermorgrant and put him in the dugout near the end of the game, not him he just waved play on. The linesman couldn't get the throw in correct or wether the ball was in play or not, surely the most basic of any decision.
The game itself was played in a good spirit, it was totally spoilt by an inept display by the officials who simply wanted to be centre stage, as this could be seen from his warm up which included waggling his arse at the away supporters (I wonder what law covers that, in his case it would have to be a bloody big).
No, wasn't there. Saw the reds on telly and they looked harsh but at the same time could see why he gave them. The Hollands one maybe a red but the two second yellows were the sort you rarely see given even as a first yellow. That said, it is a subjective thing and consistency between refs is an unrealistic expectation. It's usually both teams that have moans about the ref. nobody's ever happy and it's been like that my whole life. He didn't affect the result yesterday and actually Hollands and Wagstaff probably needed a rest anyway.
What this is all about is a need to express blame and vent anger. It's a psychological thing. Probably due to a dissatisfaction with our own lot or something. We can't blame the team because they won and among some groups it's considered taboo anyway.
It will never change and people will never be happy with refereeing whether it's done by ex players, robots or whatever. Maybe those that routinely moan should do the course and give reffing a go. I guarantee it will help you to see decisions more objectively and lower your stress levels on a Saturday. Most refs do a bloody good job but every now and again they make mistakes - so what!?
Kettle may be over officious but no harm done. Promotion won't be won or lost because of it.
I saw the Hollands one and even from the angle of the referee it looked more clumsy and mistimed than malicious and was only one footed. A booking at most. Not quite sure how that was a sending off. From the angle on the television of Wagstaff(that of the referee), it could have looked as it he jumped in. What were the linos doing ?
Just seen an unbelievable offside decision given by the lino in the Forest Bristol City game.
Andy Reid rolled a corner to another player who stopped it dead then Reid swung over a cross - only for the lino to flag him offside. ONly the ball never went forward at any time - it went back and was then stopped dead.
The lino was three feet away. Shocking.
I think the lino was right. Reid was in an offside position when the ball was touched by another player, no matter in which direction it went (or didn't in this case) and Reid became offside when he, Reid, touched the ball.
Most refs do a bloody good job but every now and again they make mistakes - so what!?
Kettle may be over officious but no harm done. Promotion won't be won or lost because of it.
But isn't that the point. I am quite willing to accept that refs make mistakes and that we must take it as part of the game we love. BUT, I cannot accept that, just to protect their feelings, their wrong decisions during a match should go on to affect players, managers and supporters in subsequent matches (and I'm only refering to the professional game).
My best mate from uni is a ref (he run the line at Charlton vs. Norwich a couple of years ago) and has reffed a Yeovil game this season as well as a few lines.
That being said, he says it's an old boys club and like in any walk of life there is a case of "who you know" rather than how good you are. He's dug in reffing in the Welsh leagues whilst studying at uni and travelled miles midweek and at weekends whilst running the marketing department at London Dungeons but he thinks he'll never get the respect or breaks to make a decent living because he doesn't know the right people.
And he loves it which is a shame.
Trevor Kettle is the son in law of the leagues referees secretary who allocates the fixtures.
Really? My mate came through the ranks with that (then) youngster (Mike Oliver is it?) who has made some shocking decisions. Everyone dislikes him apparently.
better red than dead 12:31PM Off_it said: Just seen an unbelievable offside decision given by the lino in the Forest Bristol City game.
Andy Reid rolled a corner to another player who stopped it dead then Reid swung over a cross - only for the lino to flag him offside. ONly the ball never went forward at any time - it went back and was then stopped dead.
The lino was three feet away. Shocking. I think the lino was right. Reid was in an offside position when the ball was touched by another player, no matter in which direction it went (or didn't in this case) and Reid became offside when he, Reid, touched the ball.
The ball has to go toward, before a player is given offside. The lino got it wrong.
No, wasn't there. Saw the reds on telly and they looked harsh but at the same time could see why he gave them. The Hollands one maybe a red but the two second yellows were the sort you rarely see given even as a first yellow. That said, it is a subjective thing and consistency between refs is an unrealistic expectation. It's usually both teams that have moans about the ref. nobody's ever happy and it's been like that my whole life. He didn't affect the result yesterday and actually Hollands and Wagstaff probably needed a rest anyway.
What this is all about is a need to express blame and vent anger. It's a psychological thing. Probably due to a dissatisfaction with our own lot or something. We can't blame the team because they won and among some groups it's considered taboo anyway.
It will never change and people will never be happy with refereeing whether it's done by ex players, robots or whatever. Maybe those that routinely moan should do the course and give reffing a go. I guarantee it will help you to see decisions more objectively and lower your stress levels on a Saturday. Most refs do a bloody good job but every now and again they make mistakes - so what!?
Kettle may be over officious but no harm done. Promotion won't be won or lost because of it.
Biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard, if I was as bad at my job as he is I would have been sacked years ago.
Stop defending the indefensible your making yourself look a prat!
No, wasn't there. Saw the reds on telly and they looked harsh but at the same time could see why he gave them. The Hollands one maybe a red but the two second yellows were the sort you rarely see given even as a first yellow. That said, it is a subjective thing and consistency between refs is an unrealistic expectation. It's usually both teams that have moans about the ref. nobody's ever happy and it's been like that my whole life. He didn't affect the result yesterday and actually Hollands and Wagstaff probably needed a rest anyway.
What this is all about is a need to express blame and vent anger. It's a psychological thing. Probably due to a dissatisfaction with our own lot or something. We can't blame the team because they won and among some groups it's considered taboo anyway.
It will never change and people will never be happy with refereeing whether it's done by ex players, robots or whatever. Maybe those that routinely moan should do the course and give reffing a go. I guarantee it will help you to see decisions more objectively and lower your stress levels on a Saturday. Most refs do a bloody good job but every now and again they make mistakes - so what!?
Kettle may be over officious but no harm done. Promotion won't be won or lost because of it.
Sorry but I disagree. Poor decisions can be the difference between staying up or getting relegated. That terrible decision in Pardews first game v Fulham where the lino gave them a free kick when it should have been our throw, robbed us of 2 points and a moral boosting victory. It may well have cost us our Premiership status. As a result we find ourself in the third division and nearly went out of business. Many people lost their jobs. We will never know, but a win in that game could have made a huge difference to the outcome that season and the very existence of our great club.
Quite right Queensland, and football owes it to its customers to reduce the likelihood of such things happening. Video technology must be extensively used. It will not completely erase mistakes (I still can't work out from those vids posted here if Cort handballed it in against Orient), but it will reduce them. It will smooth out the inconsistencies of bad referees like Kettle. Hatchet men like Blizzard and that oaf who destroyed Martin Pringle's career would be retrospectively brought to book. It was video evidence that helped Matty Holmes secure some kind of justice from the animal Muscat, but why the hell did it have to come down to him and Charlton to bring the action. The nepotism and arrogance of both the referees (the info above about Kettle is quite shocking) and the FA has to be stamped out, and we the customers must demand it.
better red than dead 12:31PM Off_it said: Just seen an unbelievable offside decision given by the lino in the Forest Bristol City game.
Andy Reid rolled a corner to another player who stopped it dead then Reid swung over a cross - only for the lino to flag him offside. ONly the ball never went forward at any time - it went back and was then stopped dead.
The lino was three feet away. Shocking. I think the lino was right. Reid was in an offside position when the ball was touched by another player, no matter in which direction it went (or didn't in this case) and Reid became offside when he, Reid, touched the ball.
The has to go toward, before a player is given offside. The link got it wrong.
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is touched or played by a team-mate is only committing an offside offence if, in the opinion of the referee, he becomes actively involved in play by: a. Interfering with play b. Playing or touching the ball c. Interfering with an opponent d. Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player's sight or intentionally distracting the opponent e. Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position f. Playing the ball after the ball has rebounded off the goal, the goalkeeper, or any opponent
There is nothing about the ball having to be passed forward before there can be an offside.
So if a winger gets to the byline and crosses the ball to a striker who is in the box on his own, is the striker offside?
A player is in an offside position if he is closer to the opponent's goal line than both the ball and the second-to-last defender (which is usually the last outfield player)
In your example the striker is not nearer the goal line than the ball, so cannot be offside.
Complicated isn't it. Who would want to be a referee, not me.
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That being said, he says it's an old boys club and like in any walk of life there is a case of "who you know" rather than how good you are. He's dug in reffing in the Welsh leagues whilst studying at uni and travelled miles midweek and at weekends whilst running the marketing department at London Dungeons but he thinks he'll never get the respect or breaks to make a decent living because he doesn't know the right people.
And he loves it which is a shame.
If the ref at Hudds had used the yellow card earlier, as he should have, the game would have panned out very differently. That dropped ball was the silliest thing I have seen in a long time.
As for the Lino today not seeing the ball go out when he was about three feet away....? The bloke at Scunny did something similar too.
Your bids here please. ;-)
The game itself was played in a good spirit, it was totally spoilt by an inept display by the officials who simply wanted to be centre stage, as this could be seen from his warm up which included waggling his arse at the away supporters (I wonder what law covers that, in his case it would have to be a bloody big).
What this is all about is a need to express blame and vent anger. It's a psychological thing. Probably due to a dissatisfaction with our own lot or something. We can't blame the team because they won and among some groups it's considered taboo anyway.
It will never change and people will never be happy with refereeing whether it's done by ex players, robots or whatever. Maybe those that routinely moan should do the course and give reffing a go. I guarantee it will help you to see decisions more objectively and lower your stress levels on a Saturday. Most refs do a bloody good job but every now and again they make mistakes - so what!?
Kettle may be over officious but no harm done. Promotion won't be won or lost because of it.
The Hollands one is worth appealing.
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Off_it said:
Just seen an unbelievable offside decision given by the lino in the Forest Bristol City game.
Andy Reid rolled a corner to another player who stopped it dead then Reid swung over a cross - only for the lino to flag him offside. ONly the ball never went forward at any time - it went back and was then stopped dead.
The lino was three feet away. Shocking.
I think the lino was right. Reid was in an offside position when the ball was touched by another player, no matter in which direction it went (or didn't in this case) and Reid became offside when he, Reid, touched the ball.
The ball has to go toward, before a player is given offside. The lino got it wrong.
Stop defending the indefensible your making yourself look a prat!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7802865.stm
Just google Trevor Kettle and look at some of the reports on there.There are videos on YOU TUBE showing near riots he has caused.
The nepotism and arrogance of both the referees (the info above about Kettle is quite shocking) and the FA has to be stamped out, and we the customers must demand it.
Complicated isn't it. Who would want to be a referee, not me.
Good job I know now, as I wont jump up and start slagging the ref off. :-0{