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I have a high expectation of Sunderland rolling over.CafcSCP said:
I can't see the prem relegation being so simple next year.Croydon said:
There's no win-win. Them being in Europe won't be tarnished at all, they'll still be there earning the £££ and enjoying the European away days. The Premier League is so fcked these days that there's no way they go down, even if they struggle, as the promoted sides will come straight back down again without a whimper.lordromford said:It’s a win-win in my opinion.
If they’re allowed to play, it’ll always be tarnished and there’s a reasonable chance that playing in Europe will negatively affect their league performances too.
If they’re kicked out, there’ll be a lot of angry virgins in Surrey vowing to do something about it, like make a flag, or sing a song.
The only good outcome for anyone here is if they aren't allowed in.
Leeds and Burnley have a decent chance of survival while sunderland certainly won't roll over like the three that went down this season.
I would say the 3 promoted teams are the clear favourites for relegation again.3 -
Wolves, sold Ait-Nouri and Cunha to the Manchesters, I can see them struggling this yearFriend Or Defoe said:
I have a high expectation of Sunderland rolling over.CafcSCP said:
I can't see the prem relegation being so simple next year.Croydon said:
There's no win-win. Them being in Europe won't be tarnished at all, they'll still be there earning the £££ and enjoying the European away days. The Premier League is so fcked these days that there's no way they go down, even if they struggle, as the promoted sides will come straight back down again without a whimper.lordromford said:It’s a win-win in my opinion.
If they’re allowed to play, it’ll always be tarnished and there’s a reasonable chance that playing in Europe will negatively affect their league performances too.
If they’re kicked out, there’ll be a lot of angry virgins in Surrey vowing to do something about it, like make a flag, or sing a song.
The only good outcome for anyone here is if they aren't allowed in.
Leeds and Burnley have a decent chance of survival while sunderland certainly won't roll over like the three that went down this season.
I would say the 3 promoted teams are the clear favourites for relegation again.3 -
sam3110 said:
Wolves, sold Ait-Nouri and Cunha to the Manchesters, I can see them struggling this yearFriend Or Defoe said:
I have a high expectation of Sunderland rolling over.CafcSCP said:
I can't see the prem relegation being so simple next year.Croydon said:
There's no win-win. Them being in Europe won't be tarnished at all, they'll still be there earning the £££ and enjoying the European away days. The Premier League is so fcked these days that there's no way they go down, even if they struggle, as the promoted sides will come straight back down again without a whimper.lordromford said:It’s a win-win in my opinion.
If they’re allowed to play, it’ll always be tarnished and there’s a reasonable chance that playing in Europe will negatively affect their league performances too.
If they’re kicked out, there’ll be a lot of angry virgins in Surrey vowing to do something about it, like make a flag, or sing a song.
The only good outcome for anyone here is if they aren't allowed in.
Leeds and Burnley have a decent chance of survival while sunderland certainly won't roll over like the three that went down this season.
I would say the 3 promoted teams are the clear favourites for relegation again.
They seem to teter on the edge of relegation, Cunha is going to be very very difficult to replace and I understand the owners aren't overly popular either.
If they lost Strand Larsen too I'd absolutely slide them into that third relegation spot. Probably with Leeds surviving.1 -
Brentford with a new manager could also wobble this season coming. It would seem likely to me that them or Wolves could well struggle.
Sunderland will absolutely go back down. They have gone up and yet their squad is worse with loanees going back and sales. Miles off it.4 -
Leeds possibly if they recruit well but i'm pretty confident Burnley will go straight back down.CafcSCP said:
I can't see the prem relegation being so simple next year.Croydon said:
There's no win-win. Them being in Europe won't be tarnished at all, they'll still be there earning the £££ and enjoying the European away days. The Premier League is so fcked these days that there's no way they go down, even if they struggle, as the promoted sides will come straight back down again without a whimper.lordromford said:It’s a win-win in my opinion.
If they’re allowed to play, it’ll always be tarnished and there’s a reasonable chance that playing in Europe will negatively affect their league performances too.
If they’re kicked out, there’ll be a lot of angry virgins in Surrey vowing to do something about it, like make a flag, or sing a song.
The only good outcome for anyone here is if they aren't allowed in.
Leeds and Burnley have a decent chance of survival while sunderland certainly won't roll over like the three that went down this season.
People seem to think that because they had a brilliant defensive record in the Championship that it'll somehow give them a chance of survival in the PL. No chance. They massively overperformed on xGC (conceded 16 to an xGC of 39) and teams will batter them in the PL.2 -
Also not convinced Parker isn't just a championship promotion specialist and that's his celling.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Leeds possibly if they recruit well but i'm pretty confident Burnley will go straight back down.CafcSCP said:
I can't see the prem relegation being so simple next year.Croydon said:
There's no win-win. Them being in Europe won't be tarnished at all, they'll still be there earning the £££ and enjoying the European away days. The Premier League is so fcked these days that there's no way they go down, even if they struggle, as the promoted sides will come straight back down again without a whimper.lordromford said:It’s a win-win in my opinion.
If they’re allowed to play, it’ll always be tarnished and there’s a reasonable chance that playing in Europe will negatively affect their league performances too.
If they’re kicked out, there’ll be a lot of angry virgins in Surrey vowing to do something about it, like make a flag, or sing a song.
The only good outcome for anyone here is if they aren't allowed in.
Leeds and Burnley have a decent chance of survival while sunderland certainly won't roll over like the three that went down this season.
People seem to think that because they had a brilliant defensive record in the Championship that it'll somehow give them a chance of survival in the PL. No chance. They massively overperformed on xGC (conceded 16 to an xGC of 39) and teams will batter them in the PL.2 -
Could be describing us aswell there.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Leeds possibly if they recruit well but i'm pretty confident Burnley will go straight back down.CafcSCP said:
I can't see the prem relegation being so simple next year.Croydon said:
There's no win-win. Them being in Europe won't be tarnished at all, they'll still be there earning the £££ and enjoying the European away days. The Premier League is so fcked these days that there's no way they go down, even if they struggle, as the promoted sides will come straight back down again without a whimper.lordromford said:It’s a win-win in my opinion.
If they’re allowed to play, it’ll always be tarnished and there’s a reasonable chance that playing in Europe will negatively affect their league performances too.
If they’re kicked out, there’ll be a lot of angry virgins in Surrey vowing to do something about it, like make a flag, or sing a song.
The only good outcome for anyone here is if they aren't allowed in.
Leeds and Burnley have a decent chance of survival while sunderland certainly won't roll over like the three that went down this season.
People seem to think that because they had a brilliant defensive record in the Championship that it'll somehow give them a chance of survival in the PL. No chance. They massively overperformed on xGC (conceded 16 to an xGC of 39) and teams will batter them in the PL.0 -
I could not give a s*** about their European adventure, to get this they have (sadly)won the FA Cup.
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Steven81 said:
Could be describing us aswell there.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Leeds possibly if they recruit well but i'm pretty confident Burnley will go straight back down.CafcSCP said:
I can't see the prem relegation being so simple next year.Croydon said:
There's no win-win. Them being in Europe won't be tarnished at all, they'll still be there earning the £££ and enjoying the European away days. The Premier League is so fcked these days that there's no way they go down, even if they struggle, as the promoted sides will come straight back down again without a whimper.lordromford said:It’s a win-win in my opinion.
If they’re allowed to play, it’ll always be tarnished and there’s a reasonable chance that playing in Europe will negatively affect their league performances too.
If they’re kicked out, there’ll be a lot of angry virgins in Surrey vowing to do something about it, like make a flag, or sing a song.
The only good outcome for anyone here is if they aren't allowed in.
Leeds and Burnley have a decent chance of survival while sunderland certainly won't roll over like the three that went down this season.
People seem to think that because they had a brilliant defensive record in the Championship that it'll somehow give them a chance of survival in the PL. No chance. They massively overperformed on xGC (conceded 16 to an xGC of 39) and teams will batter them in the PL.
You would not get big odds on this as a double at the bookies.
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DyerConsequences said:
Have lost their appeal and been kicked out: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cwyqjl9zpw8oel-pietro said:Drogheda United who won the FAI Cup in November to qualify for the conference league Q2 are part of a multi club ownership group along with Walsall and Silkeborg in Denmark have just been informed they will not be able to take part in Europe as Silkeborg also qualified. I dont know if that is indicative of anything for Palace.
They are appealing to CAS but its not looking likely.Why Crystal Palace case for Europa League spot is different
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With no more replays the FA Cup now is little more than the League Cup + non league teams and played mainly on Saturday's. Winning it isn't the achievement it once was.ElfsborgAddick said:I could not give a s*** about their European adventure, to get this they have (sadly)won the FA Cup.5 -
It’s not been the same since 1947 really. That was the peak of the competitionMartinCAFC said:
With no more replays the FA Cup now is little more than the League Cup + non league teams and played mainly on Saturday's. Winning it isn't the achievement it once was.ElfsborgAddick said:I could not give a s*** about their European adventure, to get this they have (sadly)won the FA Cup.19 -
It's got Charlton post-Curbs written all over it.Athletico Charlton said:Brentford with a new manager could also wobble this season coming. It would seem likely to me that them or Wolves could well struggle.
Sunderland will absolutely go back down. They have gone up and yet their squad is worse with loanees going back and sales. Miles off it.
Have they lost the "lucky" talisman?2 -
Corrected it for you. Sod Europe. The bollox truth is they’ve won a thing of beauty.Croydon said:
There's no win-win. Them being in Europe won't be tarnished at all, they'll still be there earning the £££ and enjoying the European away days. The Premier League is so fcked these days that there's no way they go down, even if they struggle, as the promoted sides will come straight back down again without a whimper.lordromford said:It’s a win-win in my opinion.
If they’re allowed to play, it’ll always be tarnished and there’s a reasonable chance that playing in Europe will negatively affect their league performances too.
If they’re kicked out, there’ll be a lot of angry virgins in Surrey vowing to do something about it, like make a flag, or sing a song.
The only good outcome for anyone here is if they aren't allowed in they have the FA Cup taken from them and the result expunged.0 -
Unlike The Standard to print a complete load of old bollocks to make a story 🤦🏻♂️JustFloydRoad said:DyerConsequences said:
Have lost their appeal and been kicked out: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cwyqjl9zpw8oel-pietro said:Drogheda United who won the FAI Cup in November to qualify for the conference league Q2 are part of a multi club ownership group along with Walsall and Silkeborg in Denmark have just been informed they will not be able to take part in Europe as Silkeborg also qualified. I dont know if that is indicative of anything for Palace.
They are appealing to CAS but its not looking likely.Why Crystal Palace case for Europa League spot is different
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John Textor agrees to sell £160m Crystal Palace stake to Woody Johnson
(The Times)
John Textor has agreed the sale of his company’s stake in Crystal Palace to the US billionaire Woody Johnson in a move that should enable the FA Cup winners to play in the Europa League next season.
Palace were facing exclusion from the competition because of Eagle Football Holding’s ownership of the French club Lyon, with Textor and the club chairman Steve Parish attending a meeting at Uefa’s headquarters in Switzerland earlier this month in the hope of resolving the matter.
But Textor recognised a sale of Eagle Football Holding’s 43 per cent stake, for what the Times understands is £160million, was the simplest way of removing the issue with the company’s multi-club ownership model.
Sources have confirmed to The Times that a definitive agreement has been signed with Johnson, subject to Premier League approval. That should not prove an issue.
Johnson, 78, is worth more than £7billion as a member of the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceuticals family and is already an owner of the New York Jets NFL team. He is also the former US ambassador to the UK and a major ally of president Donald Trump.
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Robert Wood Johnson IV is an American businessman who is co-owner of the New York Jets and was formerly the United States ambassador to the United Kingdom from 2017 to 2021. He is a great-grandson of Robert Wood Johnson I, and an heir to the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical fortune.0
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This is very good for Palace and puts an end to all the uncertainty as long as the sale goes through. There must be huge relief among the rest of the investors in the club and UEFA should be pleased that this avoids an embarrassing situation.Redhenry said:John Textor agrees to sell £160m Crystal Palace stake to Woody Johnson(The Times)
John Textor has agreed the sale of his company’s stake in Crystal Palace to the US billionaire Woody Johnson in a move that should enable the FA Cup winners to play in the Europa League next season.
Palace were facing exclusion from the competition because of Eagle Football Holding’s ownership of the French club Lyon, with Textor and the club chairman Steve Parish attending a meeting at Uefa’s headquarters in Switzerland earlier this month in the hope of resolving the matter.
But Textor recognised a sale of Eagle Football Holding’s 43 per cent stake, for what the Times understands is £160million, was the simplest way of removing the issue with the company’s multi-club ownership model.
Sources have confirmed to The Times that a definitive agreement has been signed with Johnson, subject to Premier League approval. That should not prove an issue.
Johnson, 78, is worth more than £7billion as a member of the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceuticals family and is already an owner of the New York Jets NFL team. He is also the former US ambassador to the UK and a major ally of president Donald Trump.
They're still fucked for this season though, because the deadline for selling the stake was months ago. Mugs.5 -
The guy is mad and cannot help himself from interfering and is an all round awful decision-maker. Palace may have just found their Duchatelet with any luck.Redhenry said:Robert Wood Johnson IV is an American businessman who is co-owner of the New York Jets and was formerly the United States ambassador to the United Kingdom from 2017 to 2021. He is a great-grandson of Robert Wood Johnson I, and an heir to the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical fortune.
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It's going to be absolute chaos if he's anywhere near the decision making. Hope his idiot son gets involved in transfers too and makes them sell Eze.The Red Robin said:
The guy is mad and cannot help himself from interfering and is an all round awful decision-maker. Palace made have just found their Duchatelet with any luck.Redhenry said:Robert Wood Johnson IV is an American businessman who is co-owner of the New York Jets and was formerly the United States ambassador to the United Kingdom from 2017 to 2021. He is a great-grandson of Robert Wood Johnson I, and an heir to the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical fortune.1 -
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6005172/2024/12/19/woody-johnson-jets-madden-sons/?source=user_shared_article
Woody Johnson’s Jets: ‘Madden’ ratings, a lost season and ‘the most dysfunctional place imaginable’Worth a trial read.4 -
Already seeing a lot of cope from Palace fans that because Steve Parrish is still around that this won't change anything as Parrish is perfect.1
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Despite them missing the deadline they’ll get away with it and be in Europe.5
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Shows how far ahead of us they now are when 43% of them is worth 160m.
Could buy us, the Valley, Sparrows Lane and have about 100m left over to invest in the team.0 -
Especially when you consider Selhurst is worth about 15pChris_from_Sidcup said:Shows how far ahead of us they now are when 43% of them is worth 160m.
Could buy us, the Valley, Sparrows Lane and have about 100m left over to invest in the team.8 -
Super_Eddie_Youds said:
Especially when you consider Selhurst is worth about 15pChris_from_Sidcup said:Shows how far ahead of us they now are when 43% of them is worth 160m.
Could buy us, the Valley, Sparrows Lane and have about 100m left over to invest in the team.
Maybe - but it's their 15p.4 -
Or, it shows you how little they are worth. The value is being in the PL and the riches that endows and the potential greater riches a good season or two opens up, not being Crystal Palace and playing at Selhurst Park.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Shows how far ahead of us they now are when 43% of them is worth 160m.
Could buy us, the Valley, Sparrows Lane and have about 100m left over to invest in the team.2 -
Well yes, but they've had a bit more than a 'good season or two'. They've been in the PL for over a decade.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Or, it shows you how little they are worth. The value is being in the PL and the riches that endows and the potential greater riches a good season or two opens up, not being Crystal Palace and playing at Selhurst Park.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Shows how far ahead of us they now are when 43% of them is worth 160m.
Could buy us, the Valley, Sparrows Lane and have about 100m left over to invest in the team.0 -
The value atm is just being in the PL for one season and staying in it for the next season. Being in it for a decade is a liability if you don’t have anything tangible to show for it and for a football club that’s basically an improved stadium that increases revenues because the money from being in the PL has otherwise all been spent after the first few seasons. A couple of ‘good’ seasons would be being in the PL and playing in the Champions League and seeing the riches of that money flowing as well. Those are the two things that investors will be seeing as the objective for their buy in because there is no other chance of a real financial return from owning a football team other than selling the ‘value’ of that to the next investorChris_from_Sidcup said:
Well yes, but they've had a bit more than a 'good season or two'. They've been in the PL for over a decade.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Or, it shows you how little they are worth. The value is being in the PL and the riches that endows and the potential greater riches a good season or two opens up, not being Crystal Palace and playing at Selhurst Park.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Shows how far ahead of us they now are when 43% of them is worth 160m.
Could buy us, the Valley, Sparrows Lane and have about 100m left over to invest in the team.
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That's quite depressingChris_from_Sidcup said:Shows how far ahead of us they now are when 43% of them is worth 160m.
Could buy us, the Valley, Sparrows Lane and have about 100m left over to invest in the team.1
