Addick90. Interesting question. Clive knows the importance of these items to the club and the fans. If the club make a sizeable bid, I am sure Clive will look at that and if he accepts, we would need to close the auction on those items. Good to hear, Did Clive/Steve approach the club to see if some arrangement could not be made. I would like to think that the directors/club will be the custodian of these for all the fans.
Although I am interested in the medal I'd much rather see it fall into the hands of the club. Some years back I could have bought (privately) Bill Whitakers cup winners medal.......instead I told the Alwens and they bought it............ for the club I believe.
I hope Clive and his family get all they need from selling the items and I hope that someone at the club buys them and gives them the pride of place they richly deserve. Clive Mendonca is a very very special member of the Charlton family, he helped to put us back on the footballing map and gave all the fans that 'special once in a lifetime moment' we all dream about as supporters, for that and all his efforts he will remain loved by us all and remain forever entwined in our history. God bless the man and his family.
The thing is the club can't buy all the medals that all the players won from those two seasons, so at some point they have to let some go into private ownership.
You'd hope that a few players would keep them and treasure them and pass them down in the family. As said above if everyone is eventually going to sell them to raise dough perhaps they should stop issuing them in the first place.
I agree Large, but we need to remember that they don't have the same attachment to them as a fan would. Also there was not the money in football in those days, and all footballers struggle to acclimatise to their new income when they retire.
I will pass on this comment to Steve. It still means a lot to him that Charlton fans remember what he did on that day. He is still a very dangerous player. I play in a Dad's team with him and all you do is pass the ball to him and let him do the rest! To be honest, his son is even better. He is 6 years old and scores goals for fun. His daughter is also a superb footballer.
Any chance CL could sponsor a purchase to go in the club cabinet. I'd be willing to put in £10 to hear something has been retained. I was there that day and it pains me to think the legend that is king clive is selling his jewel's. Ifeveryone chipped in a tenner that would buy us something. I remember paying a quid to buy Ronnie Moore. this purchase seems more emotive to me now!
you have to admit, the shirts were terrible, the other day i pulled out my old viglen shirt from way back when, and its horrendous, i think if i remember correctly that the 1998 team shirt had a MASSIVE amount of underarm room and pulling your opponents shirt was as simples as falling off a train, they were almost like kites in windy weather, but the sunderland shirt from that day was that horrible gold or babyshit yellow, no one would buy that either. the 100 yr anniversary shirt is a little better, i got one of the latter ones of 10000. but as they say, if you put lipstick on a pig........
Hope Clive gets what he wants, His first Goal that day was quality, fooled the defender completely, and the reaction speed after the little volley up was superb, quality quality hat trick, Rufus scored his first goal too, how easy was that header?
first time a man has made me cry that day....the second was my first prostate exam, and i chose the shortest urologist with the shortest fingers!! big mistake!, he just dug deeper...little bastard!
Just been outbid on the red shirt. If a group want to club together and bid for the matchday shirt, or medal to hand over to the club as Custodians I would be prepared to make a resonable donation. Have a feeling though that it may be beyond most of us?. Match shirt is currently £550.
I was listening to Michael Slater on cafc player yesterday and he was asked about these items and said some positive comments regarding looking as possibly purchasing them so fingers crossed. ><
Does seem a little odd, they can just up the 'highest bid' as they wish.
Also "Items will not be sold if they fail to meet the expected valuation. " seems a little odd, especially as there is no note of the expected valuation
I had to register with an email account and phone number.
Bit like ebay I guess ? There are several shirts on there, so in many ways I cannot see the prices going to high, but probably out of most fan's reach. ( like myself) My daughter bought me a red shirt signed by several players , of this period, but for all I know some one could have just been creative with a felt tip. As i mentioned I have a signed ball, by the play off squad with curbs signature which I collected from the training ground 'sparrows lane', ( so 100 per cent genuine) but the signed match ball is the one that is up for sale and has to be the real jewel, along with Clive's play off medal in my opinion. I have offered to give the ball up if this helps raise a decent sum, I am not interested in owning the auction stuff myself, but want to achieve this for the fan's and club. I have no idea what the reserve is on this, I may well contact the auctioner's to see if we can get an idea of a figure?. Give me a wisper if you are interested in forming a 'consortium'.......
I'm interested in the Football League Winners Medal and would be happy to pay more than it is currently, but I suspect that it will ultimately go way above what I could afford, and even higher than I would dare tell my wife I'd spent on an old medal.
I'm interested in the Football League Winners Medal and would be happy to pay more than it is currently, but I suspect that it will ultimately go way above what I could afford, and even higher than I would dare tell my wife I'd spent on an old medal.
You will not be alone in that sentiment, I am sure, and as much as a Charlton fan owning the medal, I think this has a status beyond that for 'all the fan's' . Do we really want some 'investor' having this?, surely this should be in the club's custody........ We often hear the phrase that the director's are fan's as well....." well now you can prove it" in a tangible way. If the fan's can contribute towards this I am sure it will be supported, even in these hard times?
This is so sad. Even at my age when I should know better, Clive Mendonca is a hero of mine, without him, CAFC would never have made it to thePremier League, he is one of the very all time Charlton greats, a very gifted, clean player .. well we all know how good he was. Curbishley writes in 'Valley of Dreams' that Mendonca was a man of very few words who let his football do the talking, an asset as a player and probably a hinderance outside of the football world. I will post this info on the Grimsby site to let the locals know of his apparant financial plight. Clive Mendonca is still very much a hero up here as well.
I agree that the club can't buy all the medals of ex players but they have an opportunity to own a collection associated with a Charlton legend which will only go up in value and look good in the board room or displayed in Bartrams. Would have thought they would be keen.
But Muttley, the club will have been awarded something at the time, and I'm sure that it is in some cabinet at The Valley or Sparrows Lane. What we need to remember is that the players were paid by the club, they were given the opportunity to play in the teams by the club and they, it could be argued, owe the opportunity to have won the medal by the club. I think it is harsh to expect the new custodians of the club to keep forking out every time a former player falls on hard times.
The shirt is a good example. I doubt that Clive was expected to buy his own shirt before every game, and the club could have insisted that he gave it back. Giving the players the shirts after such an historic game was, I believe, a generous act. To then expect the club to buy the shirt back for hundreds of pounds is just unfair. The club may still, technically, own all the shirts that are being sold. If anything the players should be offering to give their shirts back so that they can be on show at The Valley (or wherever). The shirt that Colin Walsh (who I suspect earned less from football than those in the Premier League did) wore at the first game back at the valley was not auctioned to the highest bidder by the player himself. Why should some players be able to make money in this was when others cannot?
As Large has said already, if the players are all going to sell these medals/shirts/match balls at some point then maybe they shouldn't be given to them in the first place. Maybe they should be awarded to them as a loan in perpetuity so that if/when they have had enough they can give them back to the League and/or the respective club so that they can be kept in the public domain. Either that or all these items should be sold at auction by the club at the time.
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Good to hear, Did Clive/Steve approach the club to see if some arrangement could not be made.
I would like to think that the directors/club will be the custodian of these for all the fans.
Some years back I could have bought (privately) Bill Whitakers cup winners medal.......instead I told the Alwens and they bought it............ for the club I believe.
Never forgotten.
If there is an offer you can expect it to be "undisclosed"....
Least I could do.......
I am willing to put in
Hope Clive gets what he wants, His first Goal that day was quality, fooled the defender completely, and the reaction speed after the little volley up was superb, quality quality hat trick, Rufus scored his first goal too, how easy was that header?
first time a man has made me cry that day....the second was my first prostate exam, and i chose the shortest urologist with the shortest fingers!! big mistake!, he just dug deeper...little bastard!
If a group want to club together and bid for the matchday shirt, or medal to hand over to the club as Custodians I would be prepared to make a resonable donation. Have a feeling though that it may be beyond most of us?. Match shirt is currently £550.
it looks open to abuse
#justsaying
Also "Items will not be sold if they fail to meet the expected valuation. " seems a little odd, especially as there is no note of the expected valuation
If the website received no traffic (unlikely I know) then these items could have sold for £1 each so they needed some kind of disclaimer.
Bit like ebay I guess ? There are several shirts on there, so in many ways I cannot see the prices going to high, but probably out of most fan's reach. ( like myself) My daughter bought me a red shirt signed by several players , of this period, but for all I know some one could have just been creative with a felt tip.
As i mentioned I have a signed ball, by the play off squad with curbs signature which I collected from the training ground 'sparrows lane', ( so 100 per cent genuine) but the signed match ball is the one that is up for sale and has to be the real jewel, along with Clive's play off medal in my opinion. I have offered to give the ball up if this helps raise a decent sum, I am not interested in owning the auction stuff myself, but want to achieve this for the fan's and club. I have no idea what the reserve is on this, I may well contact the auctioner's to see if we can get an idea of a figure?.
Give me a wisper if you are interested in forming a 'consortium'.......
You will not be alone in that sentiment, I am sure, and as much as a Charlton fan owning the medal, I think this has a status beyond that for 'all the fan's' .
Do we really want some 'investor' having this?, surely this should be in the club's custody........
We often hear the phrase that the director's are fan's as well....." well now you can prove it" in a tangible way. If the fan's can contribute towards this I am sure it will be supported, even in these hard times?
The shirt is a good example. I doubt that Clive was expected to buy his own shirt before every game, and the club could have insisted that he gave it back. Giving the players the shirts after such an historic game was, I believe, a generous act. To then expect the club to buy the shirt back for hundreds of pounds is just unfair. The club may still, technically, own all the shirts that are being sold. If anything the players should be offering to give their shirts back so that they can be on show at The Valley (or wherever). The shirt that Colin Walsh (who I suspect earned less from football than those in the Premier League did) wore at the first game back at the valley was not auctioned to the highest bidder by the player himself. Why should some players be able to make money in this was when others cannot?
As Large has said already, if the players are all going to sell these medals/shirts/match balls at some point then maybe they shouldn't be given to them in the first place. Maybe they should be awarded to them as a loan in perpetuity so that if/when they have had enough they can give them back to the League and/or the respective club so that they can be kept in the public domain. Either that or all these items should be sold at auction by the club at the time.