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  • edited September 2014
    Saga Lout said:

    Met some lovely people at the weekend and we touched on politics (we had been drinking) and they said they supported UKIP. I then asked them what UKIP's policies are and they stared at me blankly. Basically they like good old Nigel Farage and don't have the first clue as to what he stands for. Very worrying. Similar to the way people think about Boris Johnson - fuck the policies, just look at his unruly golden locks.

    I think you can say that about most parties. What do Labour stand for now? Cause it certainly isn't the working class.
  • You may have a point there Mr Hero. ;-)
  • The worrying policies that Farage has focused on makes me feel they are a high tax party, they suggest that all people should pay an equal higher tax, I find this ludacris. Smoking in boozers is going back to the dark ages as well.
  • edited September 2014
    Re: refusing to allow people back into the country on the grounds that they have lost their right to be here becuse of their actions whilst abroad. Unfortunately you might find that other countries then refuse to allow their citizens back from the UK in response. "Thanks for looking after the kids, I see they set fire to the cat whilst in your home - in light of their behaviour we are not prepared to allow them to come back. Sorry. Good luck"
  • Re: refusing to allow people back into the country on the grounds that they have lost their right to be here becuse of their actions whilst abroad. Unfortunately you might find that other countries then refuse to allow their citizens back from the UK in response. "Thanks for looking after the kids, I see they set fire to the cat whilst in your home - in light of their behaviour we are not prepared to allow them to come back. Sorry. Good luck"

    If we have that policy and other states apply it to us that's fair, isn't it? I'm sure some country somewhere will take these misfits and arseholes in.
  • I dont agree with much of what Farage spouts but at least he's something different, and that's clearly his appeal. A significant portion of the voting public (including myself) are so disillusioned with politics due to all politicians seemly being cast from the same mold pumping out the same old shit.

    That was part of the appeal of Cleggy not so long ago although he's proved to be largely ineffective. Farage at least has some balls, just a shame he's collected such tools around him and doesnt have the full arsenal of policies to make him a viable choice.
  • Saga Lout said:

    Re: refusing to allow people back into the country on the grounds that they have lost their right to be here becuse of their actions whilst abroad. Unfortunately you might find that other countries then refuse to allow their citizens back from the UK in response. "Thanks for looking after the kids, I see they set fire to the cat whilst in your home - in light of their behaviour we are not prepared to allow them to come back. Sorry. Good luck"

    If we have that policy and other states apply it to us that's fair, isn't it? I'm sure some country somewhere will take these misfits and arseholes in.
    Which country on God's Green earth is going to put their hand up to take in a whole bunch of Islamic fundamentalist nutters who are intent on causing mass genocide?

    I don't think they are going to be overwhelmed with invitations! Even the Saudis would not want them.
  • Re: refusing to allow people back into the country on the grounds that they have lost their right to be here becuse of their actions whilst abroad. Unfortunately you might find that other countries then refuse to allow their citizens back from the UK in response. "Thanks for looking after the kids, I see they set fire to the cat whilst in your home - in light of their behaviour we are not prepared to allow them to come back. Sorry. Good luck"

    This is the obvious impact of what Cameron is proposing to prop up the Tory vote. If we start deliberately making our citizens stateless (however repugnant their views or behaviour might be) then so will others. This means that the UK will be stuck with nowhere to send those "hate preachers", etc, back to when we (finally) do manage to get them expelled. It's ill thought through, populist nonsense. We do have to deal with them if/when they come back properly though of course.

    Stopping suspects from travelling to join IS, etc, in the first place is another matter...
  • Got a good headline if he punched someone in the face.

    "farage affray"
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  • "It's ill thought through, populist nonsense."
    Farage and UKIP in a nutshell
  • Why is an idea "populist" if UKIP and their ilk suggest it but "democratic" if suggested by Labour, the Lib Dems or Greens?
  • LenGlover said:

    Why is an idea "populist" if UKIP and their ilk suggest it but "democratic" if suggested by Labour, the Lib Dems or Greens?

    It depends who is making the accusation of populism, or whether the policy is actually horribly flawed but is designed to attract votes from a particular section of society, even though the policy itself is completely unworkable, for example, building millions of council houses on what little remains of England's green spaces in or near cities, free school meals for every child up to 16 without means-testing, a guaranteed job for every unemployed person, taxing 100% of a person's estate upon death, fixing the price of electricity and gas at below-cost (alternatively, fixing gas and electricity at double the price) etc.

    By the way, all of the above are policies that have been seriously proposed by one of the aforementioned parties in some shape or form.
  • edited September 2014
    LenGlover said:

    Why is an idea "populist" if UKIP and their ilk suggest it but "democratic" if suggested by Labour, the Lib Dems or Greens?

    because all that Farage has to offer is populist claptrap. ukip is just one large vanity project for farage. he has no interest in the people currently voting for him but he has managed to identify messages that people can buy into. his only interest is himself and his posh chums. i personally think that ukip are a dangerous. they are currently the protest vote but nobody knows what they stand for beyond their little englander rhetoric. ukip will be found out in the end because they have no real policies other than the don't like foreigners.

    someone said earlier, how does that differ from other parties. well it does because, whether you agree with labour, tories, lib dem, greens, etc. or not, they have clearly worked out policy to cover all the key areas of government. ukip don't. this is a deliberate tactic to stop any debate about what they would do, let alone finding out whether a ukip government might be affordable.

    i suspect that they will struggle to come up with any coherent policy (other than the anti foreign one) because ukip is a hotchpotch of lunatics and nutters of many persuasions, drawn to ukip because they are not the other parties. getting agreement on such issues as education, law, security, or home affairs is unlikely and may well end in tears.
  • LenGlover said:

    Why is an idea "populist" if UKIP and their ilk suggest it but "democratic" if suggested by Labour, the Lib Dems or Greens?

    Because, as others have said, Farage comes up with bullshit ideas like 'removing UK passports from Jihadists' despite knowing full well that he would never in a million years be able to do any such thing.

    Farage knows its bullshit and a flat out lie but doesn't care because he also knows that his target audience will lap it up and vote for him because they want to believe its true.

    UKIP have done an excellent job of disguising who they really are, they are the far-right wing of the Conservative Party that hate David Cameron because of the way he moved the Party back to the central political ground.

    Despite the fact that I am certainly on the other side of the political spectrum than Cameron I have to say that I would rather have him running the show than the execrable Ed Milliband who is about as convincing as Gary Doherty marking Igor Vetokele.
  • Politicians of courage and conviction are never universally popular. Enoch Powell was derided and outcasted for a speech he delivered in 1968 much of which has unfortunately since come to pass. Mass uncontrolled immigration is now causing major problems throughout the Northern Hemisphere.
    The world is in desperate need of more such individuals, rather than the current lilly livered, politically correct mob who have a propensity to avoid and defer making the tough decisions for fear of upsetting the vocal minorities. I have no idea if Farage is such a leader, but I have been very impressed with his outspoken speeches in the European Parliament.
  • edited September 2014
    Worth a re visit. Horses mouth and all that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyYoL9ngtE
  • seth plum said:

    Worth a re visit. Horses mouth and all that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyYoL9ngtE

    Personally I loved that video and it articulates the anti Farage sentiment perfectly .I particularly love the way his 'friend in the political classes' Patrick O'Flynn gets him out of the interview at the end and challenges his wrong assumptions about East London schools.

    There again I will never vote for him. The problem is the video will not influence how people vote. When I have spoken to UKIP supporters , they believe he is being bullied by James O'Brien . My hunch is he will gain between 3 and 12 seats at the General Election.

    Like Boris Johnson and Alex Salmond he seems to have a likeability factor about him with a certain group of voters . I can't see the attraction personally.
  • From YouGov, the polling agency

    Douglas Carswell's defection signals that Nigel Farage is playing the long game for his party's future

    Some political mysteries are solved by logic rather than leaks. The latest mystery: what is Nigel Farage really up to? If Douglas Carswell wins the coming by-election in Clacton, this could set off a chain of events that leads to Ed Milband becoming Prime Minister – and killing the chances of a referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union. Farage’s tactics last week in seizing the news agenda were undoubtedly smart, but surely his strategy is idiotic?

    Not necessarily. Farage knows what he is doing. He knows he is spouting nonsense when he claims that Ukip hurts Labour as much as the Tories. YouGov has consistently found that for every ex-Labour voter who switches to Ukip, there are three ex-Conservatives. This weekend’s poll for the Sunday Times confirms the pattern. Like a skilled magician, Farage is engaging in misdirection.

    If Ukip, post-Clacton, gains in credibility and ends up with more votes nationally next May, then this could deprive the Tories of votes they badly need to fend off Labour. Suppose Ukip wins an extra 1,000 votes in Conservative marginals: 600 from the Tories and 200 each from Labour and the Liberal Democrats. Labour would win around ten more seats – enough, in a close contest, to become the largest party. That’s a modest estimate: the impact could be greater.

    Let’s assume that Farage is behaving rationally. Logic suggests why he wants Labour to win. It is that his real ambition is to reshape Britain’s political Right. He wants the Tories to lose, tear themselves apart as the different wings blame each other for defeat, and then split over the best way forward. Farage would be waiting in the wings, offering to join forces with Conservative eurosceptics – so that, before long, he could take them over.

    The point is not that the Conservative drama is bound to play out like this, but that Farage thinks it might. If that is his dream, it is a more attractive prospect than a Cameron victory, a referendum in 2017 and (as YouGov polls suggest) a likely vote to stay in the EU. Were that to happen, Farage and Ukip would be finished.

    That’s the logic; but it is not just logic. Over the years I have discussed Ukip’s prospects with a number of the party’s leading lights. I have found a simmering tension between those whose main aim is an early vote on Europe, and those who are driven more by Ukip’s long-term prospects as a political force. Either Farage is stupid – and I don’t believe he is – or he sits firmly with those who would sacrifice a referendum for a shot at lasting glory.

    This analysis was first published in the Sunday Times

    http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/09/01/farage-gambles-labour-win/
  • LenGlover said:

    Why is an idea "populist" if UKIP and their ilk suggest it but "democratic" if suggested by Labour, the Lib Dems or Greens?

    Because, as others have said, Farage comes up with bullshit ideas like 'removing UK passports from Jihadists' despite knowing full well that he would never in a million years be able to do any such thing.

    Farage knows its bullshit and a flat out lie but doesn't care because he also knows that his target audience will lap it up and vote for him because they want to believe its true.

    UKIP have done an excellent job of disguising who they really are, they are the far-right wing of the Conservative Party that hate David Cameron because of the way he moved the Party back to the central political ground.

    Despite the fact that I am certainly on the other side of the political spectrum than Cameron I have to say that I would rather have him running the show than the execrable Ed Milliband who is about as convincing as Gary Doherty marking Igor Vetokele.
    I agree with all of this OA, even the bit about Sillybland. My best mate a died in the wool socialist voted UKIP in the recent elections, mainly because he feels Farage is a straightforward politician, he hates Sillybland, and he wants to stir things up.

    For me, despite my disillusionment with the three main parties, I couldn't possibly use that as a pretext for voting for a party that has within it, a bunch of populist xenophobes, whose primary focus is to seek to find a scapegoat as an outlet for people's frustrations.

    I ran a retail business in Norfolk. A great county full of decent people. Yet I spent my time listening to the EU and Europeans being blamed for destroying their English traditions :)

    - "I don't understand about all those grams and kilograms - why can't they leave us alone"

    - "all these foreigners coming over here and going straight onto the housing list - my daughter can't get a place"

    - "its all those health and safety laws we've had to have because of Europe"

    - "I don't hold with giving money to other countries in Europe - charity begins at home"

    It is this strand of opinion that Farage and UKIP have tapped into. I dislike these narrow minded views and could never support a party who pandas to them.

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  • LenGlover said:

    Why is an idea "populist" if UKIP and their ilk suggest it but "democratic" if suggested by Labour, the Lib Dems or Greens?

    Because, as others have said, Farage comes up with bullshit ideas like 'removing UK passports from Jihadists' despite knowing full well that he would never in a million years be able to do any such thing.

    Farage knows its bullshit and a flat out lie but doesn't care because he also knows that his target audience will lap it up and vote for him because they want to believe its true.

    UKIP have done an excellent job of disguising who they really are, they are the far-right wing of the Conservative Party that hate David Cameron because of the way he moved the Party back to the central political ground.

    Despite the fact that I am certainly on the other side of the political spectrum than Cameron I have to say that I would rather have him running the show than the execrable Ed Milliband who is about as convincing as Gary Doherty marking Igor Vetokele.
    I agree with all of this OA, even the bit about Sillybland. My best mate a died in the wool socialist voted UKIP in the recent elections, mainly because he feels Farage is a straightforward politician, he hates Sillybland, and he wants to stir things up.

    For me, despite my disillusionment with the three main parties, I couldn't possibly use that as a pretext for voting for a party that has within it, a bunch of populist xenophobes, whose primary focus is to seek to find a scapegoat as an outlet for people's frustrations.

    I ran a retail business in Norfolk. A great county full of decent people. Yet I spent my time listening to the EU and Europeans being blamed for destroying their English traditions :)

    - "I don't understand about all those grams and kilograms - why can't they leave us alone"

    - "all these foreigners coming over here and going straight onto the housing list - my daughter can't get a place"

    - "its all those health and safety laws we've had to have because of Europe"

    - "I don't hold with giving money to other countries in Europe - charity begins at home"

    It is this strand of opinion that Farage and UKIP have tapped into. I dislike these narrow minded views and could never support a party who pandas to them.

    All them pandas coming over here and taking zoo places from local animals. Ship them back to China I say ;)

  • LenGlover said:

    Why is an idea "populist" if UKIP and their ilk suggest it but "democratic" if suggested by Labour, the Lib Dems or Greens?

    Because, as others have said, Farage comes up with bullshit ideas like 'removing UK passports from Jihadists' despite knowing full well that he would never in a million years be able to do any such thing.

    Farage knows its bullshit and a flat out lie but doesn't care because he also knows that his target audience will lap it up and vote for him because they want to believe its true.

    UKIP have done an excellent job of disguising who they really are, they are the far-right wing of the Conservative Party that hate David Cameron because of the way he moved the Party back to the central political ground.

    Despite the fact that I am certainly on the other side of the political spectrum than Cameron I have to say that I would rather have him running the show than the execrable Ed Milliband who is about as convincing as Gary Doherty marking Igor Vetokele.
    I agree with all of this OA, even the bit about Sillybland. My best mate a died in the wool socialist voted UKIP in the recent elections, mainly because he feels Farage is a straightforward politician, he hates Sillybland, and he wants to stir things up.

    For me, despite my disillusionment with the three main parties, I couldn't possibly use that as a pretext for voting for a party that has within it, a bunch of populist xenophobes, whose primary focus is to seek to find a scapegoat as an outlet for people's frustrations.

    I ran a retail business in Norfolk. A great county full of decent people. Yet I spent my time listening to the EU and Europeans being blamed for destroying their English traditions :)

    - "I don't understand about all those grams and kilograms - why can't they leave us alone"

    - "all these foreigners coming over here and going straight onto the housing list - my daughter can't get a place"

    - "its all those health and safety laws we've had to have because of Europe"

    - "I don't hold with giving money to other countries in Europe - charity begins at home"

    It is this strand of opinion that Farage and UKIP have tapped into. I dislike these narrow minded views and could never support a party who pandas to them.

    All them pandas coming over here and taking zoo places from local animals. Ship them back to China I say ;)

    Just take their fookin passport away!

    In a quandary for the first time in my life politically. They are all just so rubbish! I have never not voted but it was a struggle to even register when I moved into this place. Spent my life haranguing people that they have a duty to vote as well.
  • I like nigel but I don't like the nigels!
  • LenGlover said:

    Why is an idea "populist" if UKIP and their ilk suggest it but "democratic" if suggested by Labour, the Lib Dems or Greens?

    Because, as others have said, Farage comes up with bullshit ideas like 'removing UK passports from Jihadists' despite knowing full well that he would never in a million years be able to do any such thing.

    Farage knows its bullshit and a flat out lie but doesn't care because he also knows that his target audience will lap it up and vote for him because they want to believe its true.

    UKIP have done an excellent job of disguising who they really are, they are the far-right wing of the Conservative Party that hate David Cameron because of the way he moved the Party back to the central political ground.

    Despite the fact that I am certainly on the other side of the political spectrum than Cameron I have to say that I would rather have him running the show than the execrable Ed Milliband who is about as convincing as Gary Doherty marking Igor Vetokele.
    I agree with all of this OA, even the bit about Sillybland. My best mate a died in the wool socialist voted UKIP in the recent elections, mainly because he feels Farage is a straightforward politician, he hates Sillybland, and he wants to stir things up.

    For me, despite my disillusionment with the three main parties, I couldn't possibly use that as a pretext for voting for a party that has within it, a bunch of populist xenophobes, whose primary focus is to seek to find a scapegoat as an outlet for people's frustrations.

    I ran a retail business in Norfolk. A great county full of decent people. Yet I spent my time listening to the EU and Europeans being blamed for destroying their English traditions :)

    - "I don't understand about all those grams and kilograms - why can't they leave us alone"

    - "all these foreigners coming over here and going straight onto the housing list - my daughter can't get a place"

    - "its all those health and safety laws we've had to have because of Europe"

    - "I don't hold with giving money to other countries in Europe - charity begins at home"

    It is this strand of opinion that Farage and UKIP have tapped into. I dislike these narrow minded views and could never support a party who pandas to them.

    All them pandas coming over here and taking zoo places from local animals. Ship them back to China I say ;)

    Just take their fookin passport away!

    In a quandary for the first time in my life politically. They are all just so rubbish! I have never not voted but it was a struggle to even register when I moved into this place. Spent my life haranguing people that they have a duty to vote as well.
    I hear you mate. The main parties are so a like.

    For me it boils down to who will manage the economy the best (and therefore keep things as stable as they can be for everyone). That leads me to vote Tory.

    I don't agree with everything they do or stand for but they're the best of an average bunch

  • LenGlover said:

    Why is an idea "populist" if UKIP and their ilk suggest it but "democratic" if suggested by Labour, the Lib Dems or Greens?

    Because, as others have said, Farage comes up with bullshit ideas like 'removing UK passports from Jihadists' despite knowing full well that he would never in a million years be able to do any such thing.

    Farage knows its bullshit and a flat out lie but doesn't care because he also knows that his target audience will lap it up and vote for him because they want to believe its true.

    UKIP have done an excellent job of disguising who they really are, they are the far-right wing of the Conservative Party that hate David Cameron because of the way he moved the Party back to the central political ground.

    Despite the fact that I am certainly on the other side of the political spectrum than Cameron I have to say that I would rather have him running the show than the execrable Ed Milliband who is about as convincing as Gary Doherty marking Igor Vetokele.
    I agree with all of this OA, even the bit about Sillybland. My best mate a died in the wool socialist voted UKIP in the recent elections, mainly because he feels Farage is a straightforward politician, he hates Sillybland, and he wants to stir things up.

    For me, despite my disillusionment with the three main parties, I couldn't possibly use that as a pretext for voting for a party that has within it, a bunch of populist xenophobes, whose primary focus is to seek to find a scapegoat as an outlet for people's frustrations.

    I ran a retail business in Norfolk. A great county full of decent people. Yet I spent my time listening to the EU and Europeans being blamed for destroying their English traditions :)

    - "I don't understand about all those grams and kilograms - why can't they leave us alone"

    - "all these foreigners coming over here and going straight onto the housing list - my daughter can't get a place"

    - "its all those health and safety laws we've had to have because of Europe"

    - "I don't hold with giving money to other countries in Europe - charity begins at home"

    It is this strand of opinion that Farage and UKIP have tapped into. I dislike these narrow minded views and could never support a party who pandas to them.

    All them pandas coming over here and taking zoo places from local animals. Ship them back to China I say ;)

    all those beaker people coming over here with their beakers.
  • Love that sketch, this thread has reminded me of it often.
  • Not once have I heard from these so called political analysts that the Tory protest vote for Farage and UKIP at the Euro Elections won't hold up at a General Election.

    There has always been a large part of the Tory vote that has been sceptical of Johnny Foreigner and the European Union and with the rise and rise if UKIP have let their feelings known to the Tory grandees.

    Cameron has promised the referendum if he gets elected. That will be sufficient for a lot of runaway Tories. The vast majority of the others know that UKIP couldn't run a proper political party in the UK - their lack of policies is just the tip of the iceberg. And the chances of Labour sneaking in as a result will horrify them.

    Once they're in that polling booth, voting for a new Government, that pencil cross will slip up the ballot paper from the 'U' to the 'C'.

    UKIP will gain three seats if they're lucky. Problem is, that may just be enough to support a minority government.
  • I just wish the spokesmen/ occasional weird woman would agree on what their NHS policy is and if at all possible, tell us when they finally agree on what their stance is.
  • Farage is articulate unlike the vast majority of those UKIP candidates who will be on the ballot sheet in local constituencies. Apart from Geoffrey Bloom (who was so barking that even Farage had to ditch him) I confess I have never heard of another candidate and that seems to be because Farage doesn't want another Bloom debacle. Fun days ahead.
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