Chris Powell needs three of his best players back and quickly,the side is unbalanced enough as it is but we don't have anyone to play alongside BWP,as injury prone as he is Ayinsah is still the best man we have also the left side is so unbalanced it aint true we need Jacko and Bessone back then we might get a more realistic picture of where we are.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]When the hierachy are mentioning in the car park to fans and elsewhere that there is going to be an exodus of players in the summer, it filters down to the players, it must do.
Slater et al are looking more and more stupid as every week passes in my opinion. Yes, the atmosphere in the stands was awful towards the end of Parky's tenure but we still had fight and the players had a knowledge of what each of their roles was. That's gone.
It pains me to say it but Powell looks out of his depth from the timing of substitutions, to the substitutions themselves. There is currently no light at the end of the tunnel regardless of the PR machine at work at The Valley or the words of a journalist say. We are deep in trouble and the corner is miles away.
And stop saying we're writing this season off, we had almost 25% of games to go before today and there will be losing far more than players at the end of the season - they have stuck up two fingers to all of us fans and £50 is not going to change that.
An excellent post WSS and sums up my feelings exactly.
Agreed... Well said WSS
The assumptions by so many that all will be well in the summer because Powell will have money to spend has me puzzled? Where has "money to spend" been mentioned officially?
We may well get a load of new players in the summer, but that's nothing new... What would be new is if the quality improved...
Dowie, Reed, Pardew, Parky, Powell. Have we really made five utterly disastrous appointments in a row? Or is something else wrong? All the mangers have in my view received or are receiving disproportionate blame for our demise, and the optimists have and are putting too much weight of expectation on them for achieving success. Our problems have been more deep-rooted and harder to put right. The managers have been a convenient target.
Which is why I took heart from a recent Airman Brown post saying that structural issues behind the scenes are being corrected to ensure long term success. That's the key.
But ...... there are a million more ways to f*ck things up than there are to get them right, and while the manager may not be the solution to what's wrong, he can certainly make things worse. Is Powell going to do that? At best, the jury is out.
He needs to walk , who honestly thinks he can bring us promotion next season , come on it aint going to happen. No doubt chris is a good coach but what he has shown so far as a manager does not feel me with great optimism. Yes its parkys so callled team but they were in 5th and never could anyone say that this team under parky would go so long without a win this season.les reed walked if my memory serves me right and I think chris has to do the same thing for the good of the club. Perhaps a solution to all this which some of you will not like is to bring wise in as manager with chris as first team coach of course thats if they could work together , anyway im really worried about the rest of this season so I hope someone can convince me that we will get another two wins.
Out of contract players have been unsettled by management changes, talk of close season changes and I'm reminded of the Les Reed debacle where a good coach had a squad that refused to play for him. Does Slater respect CP as much as the fans who are now deserting him? I doubt it. Perhaps Keith to end of season then Tisdale. I hope Chris will jump before he's pushed but applaud his aim to try to play passing football.
we can't keep on chopping & changing mangers at the drop of a hat and although Powell wasn't my ideal choice of manager due to his lack of experience now he is here I feel we have to stand by him for now...........give him some funds in the summer & then see what he can do.
What I do find very frustrating is that I have heard & read that the hieracy have been saying that there are going to be major changes in the summer, lots of players not having their contracts renewed and that the players know this and thats why we have been getting the recent performances we have. If that is the case then I'd like a refund of the rest of my season ticket..............I can accept losing but what I can't accept is players not trying.
[quote][cite]Posted By: harveys gardener[/cite]I hope Chris will jump before he's pushed but applaud his aim to try to play passing football.[/quote]
When was this? I'm sorry but IMO our football is even more negative under Powell than it was under Parkinson, remember we only failed to score one or twice under Parky in the league, and had the highest return of away goals too, both of those statistics are long gone now. People moaned about the long ball tactics we employed, I'm no saint, I did too, but it gave us more options, and occasionally it worked. Now we don't even have the option to revert to it, Nouble may be big but from what I have seen he's no target man
[cite]Posted By: scabbyhorse[/cite]He needs to walk , who honestly thinks he can bring us promotion next season , come on it aint going to happen. No doubt chris is a good coach but what he has shown so far as a manager does not feel me with great optimism. Yes its parkys so callled team but they were in 5th and never could anyone say that this team under parky would go so long without a win this season.les reed walked if my memory serves me right and I think chris has to do the same thing for the good of the club. Perhaps a solution to all this which some of you will not like is to bring wise in as manager with chris as first team coach of course thats if they could work together , anyway im really worried about the rest of this season so I hope someone can -onvince me that we will get another two wins.
Agree completely, Parky was never great but now I wish he'd never gone tbh, better than this crap, at least the players seemed to care. All the optimism has gone, he either turns things around in the next couple of weeks or I don't think we can trust him with funds over the summer.
He has to go asap! If we leave it till next season it may be too late. I don't think we will go down this season but if we keep CP on next season we will go down!
[cite]Posted By: davy[/cite]He has to go asap! If we leave it till next season it may be too late. I don't think we will go down this season but if we keep CP on next season we will go down!
Good players dont equal good manangers!
The last time we panicked and changed manager was a tremendous success, wasn't it?
[cite]Posted By: davy[/cite]I don't think we will go down this season but if we keep CP on next season we will go down!
Good players dont equal good manangers!
Why dont you think we will go down this season?
We have games against Southampton twice, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Orient etc.....teams all going well above us.....just look at who we have lost to recently, and then tell me we cant get relegated.
Powell has said he didnt apply for the job he was contacted by us---therefore even in his own mind he wasnt ready(good enough) at that time in his early management role.
He came for the interview not expecting to get the job (his own words) and was asked to hang around after and was stunned to be given the job.
The above says why we are in the mess we are now in. He knew he wasnt ready---------------he had no idea how bad we really were.
So put a man out of his depth in charge and then let him choose his number two who is also green. Tell the world it dosnt matter if we dont go up this year as we are making plans for a big clear out in the summer-----------------------and FFS what do you expect ? the wheels fall off and the players who are lossing their jobs dont try.
It reminds me of the Zebel bollox up. When the players realised Zebel meant a whole new team and they were not in those plans Pardews team fell apart.
We are in a relegation scrap , thats why im so worried , look at the teams tel has just pointed out , can you see us beating them? If the players are not trying because of rumours about what board members have said they should be fecking ashamed of themselfs .
Goonerhater, it seems like this board is more to blame than CP. If he wasn't confident in doing the job then the board shouldn't have offered him the job in the first place! If i went to a job interview and showed no confidence and lots of negivity i wouldn't have got the job!
Who knows what the board have in mind, given how swiftly they dispensed with Parkinson. But I think getting rid of Powell would be a mistake at this point - he's learning his trade - better than trying to learn in a higher division. The question is: will the board stick with him? If they did, has he learned enough this season to make a success of the next one?
I think it's clear that Chris Powell isn't to blame for having been offered the job and accepting it. Who wouldn't snap that up. Facts are facts though. He's not up to the job and he probably knows it. I think he should do the decent thing now and walk. Depends on his ego though. If he feels he can turn it around (misguided in my opinion) he won't walk.
[cite]Posted By: davy[/cite]Goonerhater, it seems like this board is more to blame than CP. If he wasn't confident in doing the job then the board shouldn't have offered him the job in the first place! If i went to a job interview and showed no confidence and lots of negivity i wouldn't have got the job!
Yeah, so Powell said to the board "I'm not confident of doing this job" & then showed plenty of negativity & the board said :-
" Ok you look like the weakest candidate, with your negativity & lack of confidence, we would like to offer you the job immediately "
I think the board has had a negative affect on the whole team especially with comments like "we can write this season off" but why does powell always go on about we need to learn from defeats . Well surely we would have learnt by now !!
Just on the "why not keep and fund Parky till the end of the season" idea my brother (who was and is as Anti-Parky as you'll find) pointed out that if he had spent money and got the necessary luck in the play-offs we could just have gone up and what could the board do then. Sack the manager who'd won promotion?
No, Parky has gone. It's Powell's job now and he has to deal with it and the players he has. He was asked at his interview about the squad and how he thought it needed strengthening. This was said in public at the Powell/Slater/Kavanagh Q & A. His impressive answers were said to be one of the reasons he got the job.
One other thing. "money to spend in the summer".
Where has this been said by the Club.
OK, if we clear out the high earners such as Youga, Semedo and Racon that frees up 25% of our current £4m budget. A few more will go as well so money freed up for others to come in.
But nowhere have I seen any indication that the new board will splash the cash. In fact Slater said (at the Q & A at the Valley) that he wanted Powell to be the type of manager who improved what we had).
If the budget is the same £4m next year then that is a decent amount for this division but will ST sales match those of this year? I doubt that they will freefall but I can't see them going up or even standing steady as there has been nothing on the pitch or from the board to inject any optimism. Perhaps a busy summer will entice a number of late renewals but at this level we are not going to buy many "names" that will make a wavering fan say "he's good, I'm renewing now".
From memory we had a large uptake of season tickets on the back of Parky's six game winning start in 2009. If Powell (or whom ever) can replicate that then I would imagine we would be able to get back most of those from this season. It's a big if though, and at this point I believe for us to have any kind of siccess next season we are going to need to bring in many players with much more quality than we have currently.
It's a catch-22. We need the ticket revenue to sign players and we need signs that we are bringing in the players to sell the tickets. It requires a leap of faith by one side or the other. I, personally, think that based on what we've been promised and what has been delivered in the last four or five years that leap of faith is not going to come from the fans buying tickets.
I am also very confident that we are not going to stumble across a promotion winning team by accident. We either go out and buy one, or we won't have one.
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Agreed... Well said WSS
The assumptions by so many that all will be well in the summer because Powell will have money to spend has me puzzled? Where has "money to spend" been mentioned officially?
We may well get a load of new players in the summer, but that's nothing new... What would be new is if the quality improved...
Gallows humour - thanks I needed a laugh
Which is why I took heart from a recent Airman Brown post saying that structural issues behind the scenes are being corrected to ensure long term success. That's the key.
But ...... there are a million more ways to f*ck things up than there are to get them right, and while the manager may not be the solution to what's wrong, he can certainly make things worse. Is Powell going to do that? At best, the jury is out.
What I do find very frustrating is that I have heard & read that the hieracy have been saying that there are going to be major changes in the summer, lots of players not having their contracts renewed and that the players know this and thats why we have been getting the recent performances we have. If that is the case then I'd like a refund of the rest of my season ticket..............I can accept losing but what I can't accept is players not trying.
When was this? I'm sorry but IMO our football is even more negative under Powell than it was under Parkinson, remember we only failed to score one or twice under Parky in the league, and had the highest return of away goals too, both of those statistics are long gone now. People moaned about the long ball tactics we employed, I'm no saint, I did too, but it gave us more options, and occasionally it worked. Now we don't even have the option to revert to it, Nouble may be big but from what I have seen he's no target man
Agree completely, Parky was never great but now I wish he'd never gone tbh, better than this crap, at least the players seemed to care. All the optimism has gone, he either turns things around in the next couple of weeks or I don't think we can trust him with funds over the summer.
Good players dont equal good manangers!
Its just seems like everytime we replace a manager we get a worse one.
Why dont you think we will go down this season?
We have games against Southampton twice, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Orient etc.....teams all going well above us.....just look at who we have lost to recently, and then tell me we cant get relegated.
He came for the interview not expecting to get the job (his own words) and was asked to hang around after and was stunned to be given the job.
The above says why we are in the mess we are now in. He knew he wasnt ready---------------he had no idea how bad we really were.
So put a man out of his depth in charge and then let him choose his number two who is also green. Tell the world it dosnt matter if we dont go up this year as we are making plans for a big clear out in the summer-----------------------and FFS what do you expect ? the wheels fall off and the players who are lossing their jobs dont try.
It reminds me of the Zebel bollox up. When the players realised Zebel meant a whole new team and they were not in those plans Pardews team fell apart.
Yeah, so Powell said to the board "I'm not confident of doing this job" & then showed plenty of negativity & the board said :-
" Ok you look like the weakest candidate, with your negativity & lack of confidence, we would like to offer you the job immediately "
People like you say some very foolish things.
No, Parky has gone. It's Powell's job now and he has to deal with it and the players he has. He was asked at his interview about the squad and how he thought it needed strengthening. This was said in public at the Powell/Slater/Kavanagh Q & A. His impressive answers were said to be one of the reasons he got the job.
One other thing. "money to spend in the summer".
Where has this been said by the Club.
OK, if we clear out the high earners such as Youga, Semedo and Racon that frees up 25% of our current £4m budget. A few more will go as well so money freed up for others to come in.
But nowhere have I seen any indication that the new board will splash the cash. In fact Slater said (at the Q & A at the Valley) that he wanted Powell to be the type of manager who improved what we had).
If the budget is the same £4m next year then that is a decent amount for this division but will ST sales match those of this year? I doubt that they will freefall but I can't see them going up or even standing steady as there has been nothing on the pitch or from the board to inject any optimism. Perhaps a busy summer will entice a number of late renewals but at this level we are not going to buy many "names" that will make a wavering fan say "he's good, I'm renewing now".
On current form, then Powell should be fearful of his employment in the near future. If Slater believes in what he says with the above comment.
It's a catch-22. We need the ticket revenue to sign players and we need signs that we are bringing in the players to sell the tickets. It requires a leap of faith by one side or the other. I, personally, think that based on what we've been promised and what has been delivered in the last four or five years that leap of faith is not going to come from the fans buying tickets.
I am also very confident that we are not going to stumble across a promotion winning team by accident. We either go out and buy one, or we won't have one.