One of Parky's biggest assets was his knowledge of the players at the lower level - think how quickly he got loan cover in when we had an injury in a key position, and how he persuaded Reid and JJ to join us. CP does not yet have this knowledge, and nor do any of the current backroom staff apart, perhaps, from Phil Chapple. There is probably also confusion over who realistic targets are - Jiminez goes on about his Prem contacts, CP will have Prem/ Champ contacts, but what can we really afford, and will that level of player want to join us in this mess anyway? At least Parky knew he had no money, which gave him a focus of sorts!!
If we want to put it right, then building up a contact list of who may/ may not be available currently and their strengths/ weaknesses is an absolute priority. CP is playing catch-up in this area, and I think that shows. The players also know that CP did not choose them - he's inherited them, and this will cause a certain amount of nervousness.
Finally, we have been really unlucky with injuries these last few games, which makes building a settled team and way of playing very difficult. I imagine Benno didn't come on till the 75th minute because he is carrying a hamstring niggle. Maybe we should not have got rid of Abbott in those circumstances, but difficult if a player makes up his mind to go.
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]CP does not yet have this knowledge, and nor do any of the current backroom staff apart, perhaps, from Phil Chapple.
Not only that, he's not had long to get to know his own squad, nevermind work out who needs replacing and who to replace them with.
Don't know how true this is but I heard that Parky's 'good eye for a signing' was something of a myth. Chapple was the one who scouted them and recommended them, with (I think) Kinsella playing a part. Apparently Parky liked 'selling' the club to prospective recruits.
I wanted Parky to go because I thought he ought to have kept us in the Championship and he also ought to have figured out the best way to use Shelvey who I think will go on to rival Parker and Bowyer as the best ex-CAFC midfielders in recent years. Having said that, I am a little dissappointed with Chris Powell's recent run, with the Exeter game being particularly 'Parky-esque' in terms of him not really knowing how to make telling tactical changes. I'm hoping that, as others here have mentioned, that it really is down to them not being 'his' players. I also have a sneaky feeling that there's some unrest in the camp to do with Ecclestone - although I have just about zero facts to back this up. Just a hunch.
Well if we were planning to keep Parky's squad which everyone moans about then Parky would probably get more out of it. We have to give Powell longer to mould this side, especially if he is trying to change our playing style and bring in players to suit it. Took Coyle a while to get Bolton playing football and getting results but now he has it has worked brilliantly.
Parky's tenure at the club coincided with this clubs fall through the leagues on its worst ever run.[/quote]
And that was all down to him, was it? Did he inherit a squad that resembled Barcelona or something? No! None of our managers have... They have all their best players sold from under them, then have to go looking for lower league gambles... A point that the board have often put across to us, and one which quite rightly protects their managers, but one that fans quickly forget about...[/quote]
Not all down to him but he was a major part of it. Would have kept us in the Championship if he was any good and failed. Would have got us promoted last season if he was any good and failed. Sure he had players sold under him but so do all teams outside the Prem. I liked the bloke as a person, but as a manager he was useless for us and as a coach we did not excel under him either. Let's move on forget the bloke who took us into this division and failed to get out of it and concentrate on supporting the guy in charge now, and inexperienced manager, but one with intelligence, pedigree, a personality, and a legend of the club...these things will help to pull him through a small bad patch. It was always going to take an incoming manager some time to work out our team - i bet they all look great on the training ground they just don't on the pitch. A couple of Centre Midfielders driving us forwards and Semedo in place of the Doc at the back and we will be flying again.
Parky's tenure at the club coincided with this clubs fall through the leagues on its worst ever run.
And that was all down to him, was it?
Did he inherit a squad that resembled Barcelona or something? No! None of our managers have... They have all their best players sold from under them, then have to go looking for lower league gambles... A point that the board have often put across to us, and one which quite rightly protects their managers, but one that fans quickly forget about...
Not all down to him but he was a major part of it. Would have kept us in the Championship if he was any good and failed. Would have got us promoted last season if he was any good and failed. Sure he had players sold under him but so do all teams outside the Prem. I liked the bloke as a person, but as a manager he was useless for us and as a coach we did not excel under him either. Let's move on forget the bloke who took us into this division and failed to get out of it and concentrate on supporting the guy in charge now, and inexperienced manager, but one with intelligence, pedigree, a personality, and a legend of the club...these things will help to pull him through a small bad patch. It was always going to take an incoming manager some time to work out our team - i bet they all look great on the training ground they just don't on the pitch. A couple of Centre Midfielders driving us forwards and Semedo in place of the Doc at the back and we will be flying again.
What exactly is Chris Powell's "pedigree" in FL management? He doesn't have any, does he? This is his first job.
It might stick in the craw of all the Parkinson haters out there - and there sure are plenty of them - but at least under his management we had some convincing performances (5-1 at Peterborough, 3-0 at Swindon) whereas under Powell we have had eight pretty unconvincing displays.
Apart from Plymouth at The Valley - where we were gifted the opening goal - you would struggle to say we deserved to win any of the other games against Yeovil, Colchester or Peterborough where we enjoyed large slices of luck in all games - especially against Colchester.
It was no surprise to me to see the wheels come off in the last couple of games because the warning signs were clearly flashing red, consecutive 3-1 losses at home to Carlisle and Exeter are a hard blow to accept.
Bottom line is that we were 5th when Parkinson got sacked - after a bad month in December which followed an excellent November - and we are now sliding down the table.
It is absolutely inarguable that if we don't make the Play Offs that sacking Parkinson will prove to have been a terrible knee-jerk mistake by Michael Slater on the back of the 4-2 home loss to Swindon.
I pray that Powell proves me wrong but things are not looking good - there certainly does not seem to be "serious money" in the new owners pockets - and I just pray he can turn things around because if we don't make the Play Off's then Powell will be under massive pressure next season.
Athetico, He inherited a team in the championship that nobody would have turned round, it was on a downward spiral, the team was doomed under Pardew, as was the club in general, having to carry on selling off all the quality players just to help tidy up the debt... Yes other managers have had players sold from under them, and most if not all have had to stomach the adverse effects of it...
The bloke never had a transfer budget, never allowed to strengthen in January, his best striker was Burton and he nearly got us to a play off... So this is all down to a complete lack of coaching skills, is it?
Losing out on a play off spot over a penalty kick and you deem him a failure?
[cite]Posted By: shirty5[/cite]The League table does not lie..
You've gotta be kiddin me!! Okay we've lost 4 on the trot. Not the first time it's happened and probably not the last but for ffs!! The last thing I'm gonna do now is give up on them!! 15 games to go and all to play for. If it doesn't happen this year then bring on Powell's first full year in charge with what will be his side but we've got 3 games in hand on MK Dons and were there next week. Were certainly not playing well but one win can turn it around. Stop talking about the past and what could have happened and look to the future and what can happen... COYR!!
[cite]Posted By: shirty5[/cite]The League table does not lie..
Okay we've lost 4 on the trot. Not the first time it's happened and probably not the last but for ffs!! Were certainly not playing well but one win can turn it around. Stop talking about the past and what could have happened and look to the future and what can happen... COYR!!
This bad run would have been seen as bad tactics, poor motivation, poor coaching if it had happened under Parky...We weren't playing well when we won 4 on the trot under CP, so how is one win going to turn it around? Only getting players in vital areas will do that....
Learning from the past is possible, so why should we stop talking about it?
I stand by the idea that Parky should have stayed, yes we had a poor December but that happens in football. After the takeover, we should have sat Parky down and asked him what he needed to strengthen our squad, and then gave him what we needed. The idea that Parky is no good because we got relegated while he was in charge is nonsense, anyone could have been in charge, from Curbs to my nan, and we would have still come down, we were shocking and no amount of tactical nous and motivation was going to change that.
The idea that he 'failed' to get us promoted is also false, I'm pretty sure he didn't tell that witless ginger troll to blast his penalty 10 yards over the bar. If you compare our team over the past 18 months to all the teams around us, you will begin to realise the task Parky had just keeping us in touch.
Every other team had a Lambert, an Austin, a Holt, a Beckford, a Morrison, a Barnard or a Paynter, we had a Burton, and then our next top scorer was the aforementioned ginger one who was simply shocking for the last 3 months of the season.
We are slipping, and in the case of having games in hand, both the Carlisle and the Hartlepool games were games that we had in hand to try and catch up, and another one of them coming up is South Coast Club, whom I don't particularly want to face whilst in this current run of form!
Powell may well turn out to be a great manager, but he hasn't shown any signs of it yet
[cite]Posted By: ecclesaddick[/cite]parkys last 8 games played 8 won 3 lost 2 drew 3 goals f18 a13 5th place cp last 8 won 4 lost 4 drew 0 goals f10 a11 place lower then 5th
surely it is unfair to judge Parky on his last 8 and Powell on his first 8.
Powell starting out as a new manager has a 50% record in his first 8 where Parky had 0%. Yes as time went on Parky got a little better but no doubt Powell will too. If we compare the results from the start of their management then powell still looks the better prospect.
[cite]Posted By: ecclesaddick[/cite]parkys last 8 games played 8 won 3 lost 2 drew 3 goals f18 a13 5th place cp last 8 won 4 lost 4 drew 0 goals f10 a11 place lower then 5th
surely it is unfair to judge Parky on his last 8 and Powell on his first 8.
Powell starting out as a new manager has a 50% record in his first 8 where Parky had 0%. Yes as time went on Parky got a little better but no doubt Powell will too. If we compare the results from the start of their management then powell still looks the better prospect.
Powell inherited a team in a play off spot... Parky inherited a mess....
Parky's tenure at the club coincided with this clubs fall through the leagues on its worst ever run.
And that was all down to him, was it?
Did he inherit a squad that resembled Barcelona or something? No! None of our managers have... They have all their best players sold from under them, then have to go looking for lower league gambles... A point that the board have often put across to us, and one which quite rightly protects their managers, but one that fans quickly forget about...
Not all down to him but he was a major part of it. Would have kept us in the Championship if he was any good and failed. Would have got us promoted last season if he was any good and failed. Sure he had players sold under him but so do all teams outside the Prem. I liked the bloke as a person, but as a manager he was useless for us and as a coach we did not excel under him either. Let's move on forget the bloke who took us into this division and failed to get out of it and concentrate on supporting the guy in charge now, and inexperienced manager, but one with intelligence, pedigree, a personality, and a legend of the club...these things will help to pull him through a small bad patch. It was always going to take an incoming manager some time to work out our team - i bet they all look great on the training ground they just don't on the pitch. A couple of Centre Midfielders driving us forwards and Semedo in place of the Doc at the back and we will be flying again.
What exactly is Chris Powell's "pedigree" in FL management? He doesn't have any, does he? This is his first job.
It might stick in the craw of all the Parkinson haters out there - and there sure are plenty of them - but at least under his management we had some convincing performances (5-1 at Peterborough, 3-0 at Swindon) whereas under Powell we have had eight pretty unconvincing displays.
Apart from Plymouth at The Valley - where we were gifted the opening goal - you would struggle to say we deserved to win any of the other games against Yeovil, Colchester or Peterborough where we enjoyed large slices of luck in all games - especially against Colchester.
It was no surprise to me to see the wheels come off in the last couple of games because the warning signs were clearly flashing red, consecutive 3-1 losses at home to Carlisle and Exeter are a hard blow to accept.
Bottom line is that we were 5th when Parkinson got sacked - after a bad month in December which followed an excellent November - and we are now sliding down the table.
It is absolutely inarguable that if we don't make the Play Offs that sacking Parkinson will prove to have been a terrible knee-jerk mistake by Michael Slater on the back of the 4-2 home loss to Swindon.
I pray that Powell proves me wrong but things are not looking good - there certainly does not seem to be "serious money" in the new owners pockets - and I just pray he can turn things around because if we don't make the Play Off's then Powell will be under massive pressure next season.
Another great post Ormiston, Powell will make mistakes as it is his first Management job and it is a steep learning curve. My main beef is in the disgusting way Parky was treated by a section of Charlton fans who blamed him for every little thing that went wrong and gave him severe abuse for it. Now it is Powell in charge it has changed to the PLAYERS fault that we have lost 4 on the trot, priceless. This is my last post about Parky as it has now been done to death.I hope as a Charlton fan of 50 years we pull ourselves out of this quicksand we find ourselves in. I will not renew my Season ticket next season( i have had one since we returned to the Valley) as i just don't enjoy it anymore.
Parky's tenure at the club coincided with this clubs fall through the leagues on its worst ever run.
And that was all down to him, was it?
Did he inherit a squad that resembled Barcelona or something? No! None of our managers have... They have all their best players sold from under them, then have to go looking for lower league gambles... A point that the board have often put across to us, and one which quite rightly protects their managers, but one that fans quickly forget about...
Not all down to him but he was a major part of it. Would have kept us in the Championship if he was any good and failed. Would have got us promoted last season if he was any good and failed. Sure he had players sold under him but so do all teams outside the Prem. I liked the bloke as a person, but as a manager he was useless for us and as a coach we did not excel under him either. Let's move on forget the bloke who took us into this division and failed to get out of it and concentrate on supporting the guy in charge now, and inexperienced manager, but one with intelligence, pedigree, a personality, and a legend of the club...these things will help to pull him through a small bad patch. It was always going to take an incoming manager some time to work out our team - i bet they all look great on the training ground they just don't on the pitch. A couple of Centre Midfielders driving us forwards and Semedo in place of the Doc at the back and we will be flying again.
What exactly is Chris Powell's "pedigree" in FL management? He doesn't have any, does he? This is his first job.
It might stick in the craw of all the Parkinson haters out there - and there sure are plenty of them - but at least under his management we had some convincing performances (5-1 at Peterborough, 3-0 at Swindon) whereas under Powell we have had eight pretty unconvincing displays.
Apart from Plymouth at The Valley - where we were gifted the opening goal - you would struggle to say we deserved to win any of the other games against Yeovil, Colchester or Peterborough where we enjoyed large slices of luck in all games - especially against Colchester.
It was no surprise to me to see the wheels come off in the last couple of games because the warning signs were clearly flashing red, consecutive 3-1 losses at home to Carlisle and Exeter are a hard blow to accept.
Bottom line is that we were 5th when Parkinson got sacked - after a bad month in December which followed an excellent November - and we are now sliding down the table.
It is absolutely inarguable that if we don't make the Play Offs that sacking Parkinson will prove to have been a terrible knee-jerk mistake by Michael Slater on the back of the 4-2 home loss to Swindon.
I pray that Powell proves me wrong but things are not looking good - there certainly does not seem to be "serious money" in the new owners pockets - and I just pray he can turn things around because if we don't make the Play Off's then Powell will be under massive pressure next season.
Another great post Ormiston, Powell will make mistakes as it is his first Management job and it is a steep learning curve. My main beef is in the disgusting way Parky was treated by a section of Charlton fans who blamed him for every little thing that went wrong and gave him severe abuse for it. Now it is Powell in charge it has changed to the PLAYERS fault that we have lost 4 on the trot, priceless. This is my last post about Parky as it has now been done to death.I hope as a Charlton fan of 50 years we pull ourselves out of this quicksand we find ourselves in. I will not renew my Season ticket next season( i have had one since we returned to the Valley) as i just don't enjoy it anymore.
Sorry to hear that you are not renewing Dick, that's a real shame.
I see from some other posts on other threads that people have already started labelling Powell as "tactically inept" - who was the other person that used to get that label on here?
I have never been so ashamed to be a Charlton supporter as when I read some of the bile on here towards Parkinson who was given an incredibly tough job and produced miraculous results on the resources available. Deon Burton's next gig after us was in Azerbaijan, what does that tell you? We sold our best defender - Frazer Richardson - to a major rival before this season had even started. What does that tell you?
Feck me, we had eight senior professional players in July and fill the squad with loanees, freebies and League One cast offs and people still are not happy with being 5th at Christmas, they want us playing Champagne football and in the top two.
I think we dropped a major bollock by sacking Parkinson and I said so at the time and got pilloried for it on here by people who went on to go ridiculously OTT about Chris Powell's appointment.
All this talk about forgetting this season and focusing on getting up next year is total BS, Powell got given a team in 5th spot and if we end up outside the PO's then there will be a lot more people than me wondering aloud about the wisdom of sacking Parkinson in the manner we did.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]I see from some other posts on other threads that people have already started labelling Powell as "tactically inept" - who was the other person that used to get that label on here?
Was that my post? Wasn't being serious, I've always agreed with you about most things when it comes to Parky.
I think Powell will do well in time, but he is a long term appointment. He's one of very few people who will be given the time (well, I hope) by fans to build a squad and improve things for the long term.
[cite]Posted By: Southendaddick[/cite]Finally some sense on here.
Nail on head from Ormiston on this thread.
Would just like to add that its a horrible feeling when you know you are right and its to the detriment of the club and popular opinion.
It's an opinion NOT fact. Same as those of us who think Parkinson going was a good thing for the club.
Just because one side of an argument is more eloquently and articulately put forward doesn't necessarily make them any truer than the opposing view point.
There is a lot of spin, manipulation of facts and stats from both sides.
As PP has gone it will never be known if he would have got us promoted or further into the mire so it's a pretty redundant debate.
powell took over after the sheff wed fixture and we were 7th...... seven points from the automatics and 9 points from relegation
after 4 straight wins we got up to 5th..... six points from autos and 16 points from relegation
after 4 straight defeats we are 8th ..... 11 points from autos 16 points from relegation
parkys points return per game for us this season was 1.5454545
powells is 1.5
it's a learning curve
parky he had his time and it didn't work out
my own personal gripe with him was the shameful non attempt at staying up
parkys points per game were 0.821
pardews points per game were 0.888 in the relegation season
and don't forget parky had the added advantage of being amongst those players for 20 months unlike SCP who has entered his first management job from afar
Parky's tenure at the club coincided with this clubs fall through the leagues on its worst ever run.
And that was all down to him, was it?
Did he inherit a squad that resembled Barcelona or something? No! None of our managers have... They have all their best players sold from under them, then have to go looking for lower league gambles... A point that the board have often put across to us, and one which quite rightly protects their managers, but one that fans quickly forget about...
Not all down to him but he was a major part of it. Would have kept us in the Championship if he was any good and failed. Would have got us promoted last season if he was any good and failed. Sure he had players sold under him but so do all teams outside the Prem. I liked the bloke as a person, but as a manager he was useless for us and as a coach we did not excel under him either. Let's move on forget the bloke who took us into this division and failed to get out of it and concentrate on supporting the guy in charge now, and inexperienced manager, but one with intelligence, pedigree, a personality, and a legend of the club...these things will help to pull him through a small bad patch. It was always going to take an incoming manager some time to work out our team - i bet they all look great on the training ground they just don't on the pitch. A couple of Centre Midfielders driving us forwards and Semedo in place of the Doc at the back and we will be flying again.
What exactly is Chris Powell's "pedigree" in FL management? He doesn't have any, does he? This is his first job.
It might stick in the craw of all the Parkinson haters out there - and there sure are plenty of them - but at least under his management we had some convincing performances (5-1 at Peterborough, 3-0 at Swindon) whereas under Powell we have had eight pretty unconvincing displays.
Apart from Plymouth at The Valley - where we were gifted the opening goal - you would struggle to say we deserved to win any of the other games against Yeovil, Colchester or Peterborough where we enjoyed large slices of luck in all games - especially against Colchester.
It was no surprise to me to see the wheels come off in the last couple of games because the warning signs were clearly flashing red, consecutive 3-1 losses at home to Carlisle and Exeter are a hard blow to accept.
Bottom line is that we were 5th when Parkinson got sacked - after a bad month in December which followed an excellent November - and we are now sliding down the table.
It is absolutely inarguable that if we don't make the Play Offs that sacking Parkinson will prove to have been a terrible knee-jerk mistake by Michael Slater on the back of the 4-2 home loss to Swindon.
I pray that Powell proves me wrong but things are not looking good - there certainly does not seem to be "serious money" in the new owners pockets - and I just pray he can turn things around because if we don't make the Play Off's then Powell will be under massive pressure next season.
Another great post Ormiston, Powell will make mistakes as it is his first Management job and it is a steep learning curve. My main beef is in the disgusting way Parky was treated by a section of Charlton fans who blamed him for every little thing that went wrong and gave him severe abuse for it. Now it is Powell in charge it has changed to the PLAYERS fault that we have lost 4 on the trot, priceless. This is my last post about Parky as it has now been done to death.I hope as a Charlton fan of 50 years we pull ourselves out of this quicksand we find ourselves in. I will not renew my Season ticket next season( i have had one since we returned to the Valley) as i just don't enjoy it anymore.
Ah Dicky Plumb, there's a blast from the past, one of my boyhood heroes and you have my greatest respect for being a sufferer for fifty years, although I'm only six behind you!
I do however have to disagree with yourself and Ormy who seem to suggest that Parky received severe abuse from the majority of Charlton fans who couldn't contain their hatred of the man.
Parky was appointed against the wishes of the majority owing to the fact that he was strongly associated with the Pardew regime. The fans were then informed that he would be judged on results. Despite the fact that he didn't get any, he was still given the job full time. We know the rest, we went down without a whimper.
During his tenure I made three trips back to England and took in 15 games. I saw one win (away at Wycombe) our one and only decent peformance mainly owing to the performance of a young man named Shelvey.
I was there in the North Stand recently when we lost 4-2 to Swindon and Parky lost his job.
Never once during any of my trips have I heard a large section of the crowd booing Parky or calling for his head, despite some really abysmal displays. When you take into account the fact that the majority never wanted him, the fact that the football was inconsistant at best and that he brought us no success, then I think the restraint displayed by the fans was quite remarkable.Indeed poor Simon Francis has received far more abuse than Parky ever did.
for the record i thought parky should have had to the end of the season once he turned around the crap after the brighton fiasco but understand why the board reacted and changed it, i'm glad SCP is here, for some bizarre reason i can take the crap with him at the helm, for the moment..................
basically i've got a secret bromance with him but he doesn't know it!
Why does Parky get absolved of any blame in our Championship slump? And why couldn't he have kept us up? We were not even in the bottom three when he took over. Forest were well adrift of us and yet appointed Davies and finished well ahead of us. Our squad wasn't that bad that we couldn't have stayed up. Instead we went on the most disasterous run I can ever remember. Who knows, if Pardew had been given more time we might have stayed up. But that is the point, we will never know. Just as we will never know that if Parky had stayed might we be in a better position now. And if the Parky apologists want to say 'he was left a poor squad by Pardew' why is it not then fair that us Powell apologists can't say that he in turn has been left a poor squad by Parky. Whatever the why's and therefore's we are where we are, we have a rookie manager learning all the time and we need to give him time to turn this around. Next season is no doubt the time to judge CP, not now.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite] if the Parky apologists want to say 'he was left a poor squad by Pardew' why is it not then fair that us Powell apologists can't say that he in turn has been left a poor squad by Parky.
I for one have never taken sides... I knew changing the manager wouldn't make a jot of difference and that has been proved right... Said all along we needed better players in vital areas, and nothing has changed we still do... Parky knew he needed them as well but remember he couldn't get them because we were pot less all the time he was in charge..
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]if the Parky apologists want to say 'he was left a poor squad by Pardew' why is it not then fair that us Powell apologists can't say that he in turn has been left a poor squad by Parky.
Parky knew he needed them as well but remember he couldn't get them because we were pot less all the time he was in charge..
Not true.
Money for wages were available at points. We had one of the highest wage budgets in the league after his team got relegated from the Championship.
Also signings like Benson were paid for in pannini stickers I take it?.
I'm all for giving Powell time. I said before he wasa ppointed that we needed experience - couldn't afford any more gambles but now he's in he has to be given time. Not impressed so far but not calling for his head. It doesn't take good managers that long to get a team playing and although he has a crap squad to work with, he had the window and he has the loans. Failed in the window in my opinion, lets hope he does better with the loans. Either way i won't be calling for his head but bloody hell, why did we have to take a gamble? Half decent investment and a manager who knows what he's doing shoulde get you out of this division. Hope Chris does it, not convinced so far.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]if the Parky apologists want to say 'he was left a poor squad by Pardew' why is it not then fair that us Powell apologists can't say that he in turn has been left a poor squad by Parky.
Parky knew he needed them as well but remember he couldn't get them because wewere pot less all the time he was in charge..
Not true.
Money for wages were available at points. We had one of the highest wage budgets in the league after his team got relegated from the Championship.
Also signings like Benson were paid for in pannini stickers I take it?.
High wages on overpaid overrated players Pardew brought in, that were still with us becuase nobody wanted them...
Wow! He got to spend a bit of money on one player from a squad that was mainly freebies... How wasteful!
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If we want to put it right, then building up a contact list of who may/ may not be available currently and their strengths/ weaknesses is an absolute priority. CP is playing catch-up in this area, and I think that shows. The players also know that CP did not choose them - he's inherited them, and this will cause a certain amount of nervousness.
Finally, we have been really unlucky with injuries these last few games, which makes building a settled team and way of playing very difficult. I imagine Benno didn't come on till the 75th minute because he is carrying a hamstring niggle. Maybe we should not have got rid of Abbott in those circumstances, but difficult if a player makes up his mind to go.
We have no choice but to be patient...
As you say, we need to be patient.
We've been doing that for a few seasons now with different managers and different players so the only common denominator is us.
I wanted Parky to go because I thought he ought to have kept us in the Championship and he also ought to have figured out the best way to use Shelvey who I think will go on to rival Parker and Bowyer as the best ex-CAFC midfielders in recent years. Having said that, I am a little dissappointed with Chris Powell's recent run, with the Exeter game being particularly 'Parky-esque' in terms of him not really knowing how to make telling tactical changes. I'm hoping that, as others here have mentioned, that it really is down to them not being 'his' players. I also have a sneaky feeling that there's some unrest in the camp to do with Ecclestone - although I have just about zero facts to back this up. Just a hunch.
Parky's tenure at the club coincided with this clubs fall through the leagues on its worst ever run.[/quote]
And that was all down to him, was it?
Did he inherit a squad that resembled Barcelona or something? No! None of our managers have... They have all their best players sold from under them, then have to go looking for lower league gambles... A point that the board have often put across to us, and one which quite rightly protects their managers, but one that fans quickly forget about...[/quote]
Not all down to him but he was a major part of it. Would have kept us in the Championship if he was any good and failed. Would have got us promoted last season if he was any good and failed. Sure he had players sold under him but so do all teams outside the Prem. I liked the bloke as a person, but as a manager he was useless for us and as a coach we did not excel under him either. Let's move on forget the bloke who took us into this division and failed to get out of it and concentrate on supporting the guy in charge now, and inexperienced manager, but one with intelligence, pedigree, a personality, and a legend of the club...these things will help to pull him through a small bad patch. It was always going to take an incoming manager some time to work out our team - i bet they all look great on the training ground they just don't on the pitch. A couple of Centre Midfielders driving us forwards and Semedo in place of the Doc at the back and we will be flying again.
What exactly is Chris Powell's "pedigree" in FL management? He doesn't have any, does he? This is his first job.
It might stick in the craw of all the Parkinson haters out there - and there sure are plenty of them - but at least under his management we had some convincing performances (5-1 at Peterborough, 3-0 at Swindon) whereas under Powell we have had eight pretty unconvincing displays.
Apart from Plymouth at The Valley - where we were gifted the opening goal - you would struggle to say we deserved to win any of the other games against Yeovil, Colchester or Peterborough where we enjoyed large slices of luck in all games - especially against Colchester.
It was no surprise to me to see the wheels come off in the last couple of games because the warning signs were clearly flashing red, consecutive 3-1 losses at home to Carlisle and Exeter are a hard blow to accept.
Bottom line is that we were 5th when Parkinson got sacked - after a bad month in December which followed an excellent November - and we are now sliding down the table.
It is absolutely inarguable that if we don't make the Play Offs that sacking Parkinson will prove to have been a terrible knee-jerk mistake by Michael Slater on the back of the 4-2 home loss to Swindon.
I pray that Powell proves me wrong but things are not looking good - there certainly does not seem to be "serious money" in the new owners pockets - and I just pray he can turn things around because if we don't make the Play Off's then Powell will be under massive pressure next season.
The bloke never had a transfer budget, never allowed to strengthen in January, his best striker was Burton and he nearly got us to a play off... So this is all down to a complete lack of coaching skills, is it?
Losing out on a play off spot over a penalty kick and you deem him a failure?
You've gotta be kiddin me!! Okay we've lost 4 on the trot. Not the first time it's happened and probably not the last but for ffs!! The last thing I'm gonna do now is give up on them!! 15 games to go and all to play for. If it doesn't happen this year then bring on Powell's first full year in charge with what will be his side but we've got 3 games in hand on MK Dons and were there next week. Were certainly not playing well but one win can turn it around. Stop talking about the past and what could have happened and look to the future and what can happen... COYR!!
Sums it up
This bad run would have been seen as bad tactics, poor motivation, poor coaching if it had happened under Parky...We weren't playing well when we won 4 on the trot under CP, so how is one win going to turn it around? Only getting players in vital areas will do that....
Learning from the past is possible, so why should we stop talking about it?
The idea that he 'failed' to get us promoted is also false, I'm pretty sure he didn't tell that witless ginger troll to blast his penalty 10 yards over the bar. If you compare our team over the past 18 months to all the teams around us, you will begin to realise the task Parky had just keeping us in touch.
Every other team had a Lambert, an Austin, a Holt, a Beckford, a Morrison, a Barnard or a Paynter, we had a Burton, and then our next top scorer was the aforementioned ginger one who was simply shocking for the last 3 months of the season.
We are slipping, and in the case of having games in hand, both the Carlisle and the Hartlepool games were games that we had in hand to try and catch up, and another one of them coming up is South Coast Club, whom I don't particularly want to face whilst in this current run of form!
Powell may well turn out to be a great manager, but he hasn't shown any signs of it yet
surely it is unfair to judge Parky on his last 8 and Powell on his first 8.
Powell starting out as a new manager has a 50% record in his first 8 where Parky had 0%. Yes as time went on Parky got a little better but no doubt Powell will too. If we compare the results from the start of their management then powell still looks the better prospect.
Powell inherited a team in a play off spot... Parky inherited a mess....
Another great post Ormiston, Powell will make mistakes as it is his first Management job and it is a steep learning curve. My main beef is in the disgusting way Parky was treated by a section of Charlton fans who blamed him for every little thing that went wrong and gave him severe abuse for it. Now it is Powell in charge it has changed to the PLAYERS fault that we have lost 4 on the trot, priceless. This is my last post about Parky as it has now been done to death.I hope as a Charlton fan of 50 years we pull ourselves out of this quicksand we find ourselves in. I will not renew my Season ticket next season( i have had one since we returned to the Valley) as i just don't enjoy it anymore.
Sorry to hear that you are not renewing Dick, that's a real shame.
I see from some other posts on other threads that people have already started labelling Powell as "tactically inept" - who was the other person that used to get that label on here?
I have never been so ashamed to be a Charlton supporter as when I read some of the bile on here towards Parkinson who was given an incredibly tough job and produced miraculous results on the resources available. Deon Burton's next gig after us was in Azerbaijan, what does that tell you? We sold our best defender - Frazer Richardson - to a major rival before this season had even started. What does that tell you?
Feck me, we had eight senior professional players in July and fill the squad with loanees, freebies and League One cast offs and people still are not happy with being 5th at Christmas, they want us playing Champagne football and in the top two.
I think we dropped a major bollock by sacking Parkinson and I said so at the time and got pilloried for it on here by people who went on to go ridiculously OTT about Chris Powell's appointment.
All this talk about forgetting this season and focusing on getting up next year is total BS, Powell got given a team in 5th spot and if we end up outside the PO's then there will be a lot more people than me wondering aloud about the wisdom of sacking Parkinson in the manner we did.
Nail on head from Ormiston on this thread.
Would just like to add that its a horrible feeling when you know you are right and its to the detriment of the club and popular opinion.
I think Powell will do well in time, but he is a long term appointment. He's one of very few people who will be given the time (well, I hope) by fans to build a squad and improve things for the long term.
It's an opinion NOT fact. Same as those of us who think Parkinson going was a good thing for the club.
Just because one side of an argument is more eloquently and articulately put forward doesn't necessarily make them any truer than the opposing view point.
There is a lot of spin, manipulation of facts and stats from both sides.
As PP has gone it will never be known if he would have got us promoted or further into the mire so it's a pretty redundant debate.
after 4 straight wins we got up to 5th..... six points from autos and 16 points from relegation
after 4 straight defeats we are 8th ..... 11 points from autos 16 points from relegation
parkys points return per game for us this season was 1.5454545
powells is 1.5
it's a learning curve
parky he had his time and it didn't work out
my own personal gripe with him was the shameful non attempt at staying up
parkys points per game were 0.821
pardews points per game were 0.888 in the relegation season
and don't forget parky had the added advantage of being amongst those players for 20 months unlike SCP who has entered his first management job from afar
only time will tell and that is what SCP deserves
Ah Dicky Plumb, there's a blast from the past, one of my boyhood heroes and you have my greatest respect for being a sufferer for fifty years, although I'm only six behind you!
I do however have to disagree with yourself and Ormy who seem to suggest that Parky received severe abuse from the majority of Charlton fans who couldn't contain their hatred of the man.
Parky was appointed against the wishes of the majority owing to the fact that he was strongly associated with the Pardew regime. The fans were then informed that he would be judged on results. Despite the fact that he didn't get any, he was still given the job full time. We know the rest, we went down without a whimper.
During his tenure I made three trips back to England and took in 15 games. I saw one win (away at Wycombe) our one and only decent peformance mainly owing to the performance of a young man named Shelvey.
I was there in the North Stand recently when we lost 4-2 to Swindon and Parky lost his job.
Never once during any of my trips have I heard a large section of the crowd booing Parky or calling for his head, despite some really abysmal displays. When you take into account the fact that the majority never wanted him, the fact that the football was inconsistant at best and that he brought us no success, then I think the restraint displayed by the fans was quite remarkable.Indeed poor Simon Francis has received far more abuse than Parky ever did.
basically i've got a secret bromance with him but he doesn't know it!
I for one have never taken sides... I knew changing the manager wouldn't make a jot of difference and that has been proved right... Said all along we needed better players in vital areas, and nothing has changed we still do... Parky knew he needed them as well but remember he couldn't get them because we were pot less all the time he was in charge..
Not true.
Money for wages were available at points. We had one of the highest wage budgets in the league after his team got relegated from the Championship.
Also signings like Benson were paid for in pannini stickers I take it?.
High wages on overpaid overrated players Pardew brought in, that were still with us becuase nobody wanted them...
Wow! He got to spend a bit of money on one player from a squad that was mainly freebies... How wasteful!