i would be interested to see the original plans, i've had a browse around the world wide web for some info but couldn't find anything.
I did stumble over a picture of what the 40000 Valley would look like, but more info would be great.
Thanks
Henry, whilst on the subject i know you sit on the Target 40k committee.
Could you give us all an insight into its workings, how often it meets, who it consists of, and as an example what sort of things were on the agenda for the last meeting.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]Henry, whilst on the subject i know you sit on the Target 40k committee.
Could you give us all an insight into its workings, how often it meets, who it consists of, and as an example what sort of things were on the agenda for the last meeting.
thanks
yes, but not today, sorry. There was a meeting last week.
Still going and new board aware of and supportive.
[cite]Posted By: scruffle[/cite]should be renamed target 20k, lets start undertanding where we are now and move on
Agree, but there is nothing wrong with getting a little excited for what the future might hold is there?!
little old news, it took us a while even in the Premiership to get close to filling 27k every week, and those werent 'proper' fans, this coupled with dropping attendances in general, just think there a better things we could be focussing on; pot holes and badges, you know the usuals!
Agree with Scruffle. 40k seems a long way off for a team in league one and not even in the playoff places. Type of thread that other teams supporters would find exraordinarily funny. Also worth remembering that at present the stadium holds 27k. Get real folks and put this one on the back burner until at least we are a challenging Championship side. Not negative but realistic.
The committee is concerned with developing and retaining support. The most significant thing it does is make recommendations about season ticket pricing, but it also acts as a sounding board on ticket marketing initiatives generally, including Valley Express. It is not concerned with the practicality of developing the stadium.
It is not a decision-making body and its advice to the board is confidential.
Present last week: Steve Clarke, Rick Everitt, Steve Kavanagh, Ben Hayes, Craig Norris, Craig Parrett (VIP representative), Wendy Perfect and Martin Simons.
[cite]Posted By: Airman Brown[/cite]The committee is concerned with developing and retaining support. The most significant thing it does is make recommendations about season ticket pricing, but it also acts as a sounding board on ticket marketing initiatives generally, including Valley Express. It is not concerned with the practicality of developing the stadium.
It is not a decision-making body and its advice to the board is confidential.
Present last week: Steve Clarke, Rick Everitt, Steve Kavanagh, Ben Hayes, Craig Norris, Craig Parrett (VIP representative), Wendy Perfect and Martin Simons.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Agree with Scruffle. 40k seems a long way off for a team in league one and not even in the playoff places. Type of thread that other teams supporters would find exraordinarily funny. Also worth remembering that at present the stadium holds 27k. Get real folks and put this one on the back burner until at least we are a challenging Championship side. Not negative but realistic.
it is on the back burner, but it would be interesting to know what what the plans were/are like.
Lets remember though target 40000 wasn't just about increasing capacity at the Valley, it was about getting bums on seats.
Regardless of what the campaign is called, marketing strategies that intend to get new faces at matches are always relevant.
[cite]Posted By: AshTray[/cite]With respect to all attendees; sounds a bit odd.
Really, in what respect?
Well, maybe because it constitutes people with little else to do but groom their own egoes by sitting on some n'er do well committee with pie in the sky objectives when their time would be better spent donning a disney outfit and collecting for their local hospice. I imagine that much of the time they are outside smoking cigars or roll-ups. But hey, they have found their niche in life, so we should allow them that and if it benefits Charlton in the long term, then I'm happy. I doubt it will, but if it does, I'll be happy.
Target 10,00 was probably seen as a bit pie in the sky at the time but look where we've come since then, especially seeing as we're now in the 3rd division.
[cite]Posted By: DaveMehmet[/cite]Target 10,00 was probably seen as a bit pie in the sky at the time but look where we've come since then, especially seeing as we're now in the 3rd division.
We had a capacity of about 7k at the time with stands going up and a team in the ascendency, so not so much pie in the sky as now.
Yes, other teams should laugh at the fact we have a 40000 committee and it should be abandoned.
[cite]Posted By: Airman Brown[/cite]The committee is concerned with developing and retaining support. The most significant thing it does is make recommendations about season ticket pricing, but it also acts as a sounding board on ticket marketing initiatives generally, including Valley Express.
[cite]Posted By: AshTray[/cite]Well, maybe because it constitutes people with little else to do but groom their own egoes by sitting on some n'er do well committee with pie in the sky objectives when their time would be better spent donning a disney outfit and collecting for their local hospice.
Quite right Ash Tray. What on earth is the point of trying to develop and retain support? And what's the point of making recommendations about season ticket pricing - the last 20 years of affordable ticketing and the fact that despite having spent the last 4 years in turmoil, we still have twice the number of supporters attending home games as we did when we returned to The Valley shows just what a total waste of time initiatives like this can be. What are these people thinking?!
Airman has already explained the role of the committee.
As he said last week we agreed some proposals to the board on ST prices for next season. That is confidential for now but the aim is that this board, as did the old, at least have the view of some fans with a rationale as to why pricing should be x or y. Some years there have a range of options presented, other times just one.
I know that the proposals are considered seriously by the board and have, in my experience, been acted on more often than not.
The committee meets 2 or 3 times a season depending on need. The agenda would include Valley Express, match day prices, special offers, half year STs (the recently released 10 game ST was discussed and a proposal agreed at the last meeting), schools promotions, local press coverage, national offers (Npower, The Sun, etc), work with supporters groups, Q & As with players/directors and really anything related to getting more people into the ground and maximising income.
David White usually attends and I believe Peter Varney will again in the future. Some of the Community Scheme staff sometimes attend as often the summer events and half term courses are discussed as part of ticket promotions.
The young Addicks idea was tossed around at a T40k meeting before being launched as was the five year season ticket. Those proposal went forward and were agreed.
My own personal opinion is that the committee could meet more often and involve some other people. Some of the old Fans Forum people used to come and Craig was there representing the VIPs this time. Airman and Steve Kav might well disagree.
It doesn't talk about planning permission or building new stands. That's not it's purpose. Those plans exist and if I could be bothered I'd dig out the blueprints from the loft, scan them and stick them on here . Anyway all the details are in the public domain and artists impressions exist somewhere. They have to be as it was a public application for planning permission.
we all know on the committee that the one easy way to fill the ground is to get a successful team on the pitch but since AB and I would be even slower than Doc and Abbott (only just mind) and can't control that we have to work on the bits we can influence.
Forget the name and being embarrassed. Who gives a toss what fans of other clubs think. It's an internal committee not a campaign. I'd be more ashamed and angry if Charlton didn't have such a committee TBH.
There seems to be one particular poster on here who doesn't fully support the work the committee is doing. So I think it might have to be re-named "Target 39,999".
[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]were the plans for 40k with this 2 tier jimmy seed idea?
Do wonder if our season ticket pricing ended up being too low to keep us in the prem, but i guess its a balancing act to maintain attendance
three tier I think
You're right on the balancing act. IMHO one of the roles of the T40k was to be a counter-balance to the idea that increased prices would always equal more income. To be fair the board were always broadly in agreement with that anyway but the proposals were detailed and costed and so gave the board a starting point for their discussions.
Also board members such as Dave White, Martin Simons, the various fan directors and the CEO were on the committee. This meant that proposals were based on their views as well.
[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]were the plans for 40k with this 2 tier jimmy seed idea?
Do wonder if our season ticket pricing ended up being too low to keep us in the prem, but i guess its a balancing act to maintain attendance
I think ticket income is relatively insignificant for Premier League clubs in comparison to TV Revenue, hence Charlton could afford to do the "Free Premier League Season Ticket If We're Promoted" incentive when we got relegated to the Championship. I seem to remember working out at the time that it would have cost us (very approximately) about £4m in lost ticket revenue, which isn't that important when you get £30m for finishing bottom in the Premier League.
Having a full stadium to support the team, and "retaining and developing support" would probably be more of a priority than ticket revenue.
As for the plans, I think it was a two (possibly 3) tier Jimmy Seed, filled in corners at that end and a small upper tier on the East Stand. I believe the plans for the East Stand incorpared some apartments as well.
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Could you give us all an insight into its workings, how often it meets, who it consists of, and as an example what sort of things were on the agenda for the last meeting.
thanks
yes, but not today, sorry. There was a meeting last week.
Still going and new board aware of and supportive.
Agree, but there is nothing wrong with getting a little excited for what the future might hold is there?!
little old news, it took us a while even in the Premiership to get close to filling 27k every week, and those werent 'proper' fans, this coupled with dropping attendances in general, just think there a better things we could be focussing on; pot holes and badges, you know the usuals!
Anyway, I'll write up some more later if Airman Brown doesn't beat me to it.
It is not a decision-making body and its advice to the board is confidential.
Present last week: Steve Clarke, Rick Everitt, Steve Kavanagh, Ben Hayes, Craig Norris, Craig Parrett (VIP representative), Wendy Perfect and Martin Simons.
With respect to all attendees; sounds a bit odd.
it is on the back burner, but it would be interesting to know what what the plans were/are like.
Lets remember though target 40000 wasn't just about increasing capacity at the Valley, it was about getting bums on seats.
Regardless of what the campaign is called, marketing strategies that intend to get new faces at matches are always relevant.
Really, in what respect?
Well, maybe because it constitutes people with little else to do but groom their own egoes by sitting on some n'er do well committee with pie in the sky objectives when their time would be better spent donning a disney outfit and collecting for their local hospice. I imagine that much of the time they are outside smoking cigars or roll-ups. But hey, they have found their niche in life, so we should allow them that and if it benefits Charlton in the long term, then I'm happy. I doubt it will, but if it does, I'll be happy.
Sounds a bit odd.
We had a capacity of about 7k at the time with stands going up and a team in the ascendency, so not so much pie in the sky as now.
Yes, other teams should laugh at the fact we have a 40000 committee and it should be abandoned.
Someone really is so desperate to get a reaction aren't they.
I've pressed the "ignore" button so won't have to read it any more.
Quite right Ash Tray. What on earth is the point of trying to develop and retain support? And what's the point of making recommendations about season ticket pricing - the last 20 years of affordable ticketing and the fact that despite having spent the last 4 years in turmoil, we still have twice the number of supporters attending home games as we did when we returned to The Valley shows just what a total waste of time initiatives like this can be. What are these people thinking?!
As Stu said, you're a weirdo.
As he said last week we agreed some proposals to the board on ST prices for next season. That is confidential for now but the aim is that this board, as did the old, at least have the view of some fans with a rationale as to why pricing should be x or y. Some years there have a range of options presented, other times just one.
I know that the proposals are considered seriously by the board and have, in my experience, been acted on more often than not.
The committee meets 2 or 3 times a season depending on need. The agenda would include Valley Express, match day prices, special offers, half year STs (the recently released 10 game ST was discussed and a proposal agreed at the last meeting), schools promotions, local press coverage, national offers (Npower, The Sun, etc), work with supporters groups, Q & As with players/directors and really anything related to getting more people into the ground and maximising income.
David White usually attends and I believe Peter Varney will again in the future. Some of the Community Scheme staff sometimes attend as often the summer events and half term courses are discussed as part of ticket promotions.
The young Addicks idea was tossed around at a T40k meeting before being launched as was the five year season ticket. Those proposal went forward and were agreed.
My own personal opinion is that the committee could meet more often and involve some other people. Some of the old Fans Forum people used to come and Craig was there representing the VIPs this time. Airman and Steve Kav might well disagree.
It doesn't talk about planning permission or building new stands. That's not it's purpose. Those plans exist and if I could be bothered I'd dig out the blueprints from the loft, scan them and stick them on here . Anyway all the details are in the public domain and artists impressions exist somewhere. They have to be as it was a public application for planning permission.
we all know on the committee that the one easy way to fill the ground is to get a successful team on the pitch but since AB and I would be even slower than Doc and Abbott (only just mind) and can't control that we have to work on the bits we can influence.
Forget the name and being embarrassed. Who gives a toss what fans of other clubs think. It's an internal committee not a campaign. I'd be more ashamed and angry if Charlton didn't have such a committee TBH.
Do wonder if our season ticket pricing ended up being too low to keep us in the prem, but i guess its a balancing act to maintain attendance
three tier I think
You're right on the balancing act. IMHO one of the roles of the T40k was to be a counter-balance to the idea that increased prices would always equal more income. To be fair the board were always broadly in agreement with that anyway but the proposals were detailed and costed and so gave the board a starting point for their discussions.
Also board members such as Dave White, Martin Simons, the various fan directors and the CEO were on the committee. This meant that proposals were based on their views as well.
I think ticket income is relatively insignificant for Premier League clubs in comparison to TV Revenue, hence Charlton could afford to do the "Free Premier League Season Ticket If We're Promoted" incentive when we got relegated to the Championship. I seem to remember working out at the time that it would have cost us (very approximately) about £4m in lost ticket revenue, which isn't that important when you get £30m for finishing bottom in the Premier League.
Having a full stadium to support the team, and "retaining and developing support" would probably be more of a priority than ticket revenue.
As for the plans, I think it was a two (possibly 3) tier Jimmy Seed, filled in corners at that end and a small upper tier on the East Stand. I believe the plans for the East Stand incorpared some apartments as well.