[cite]Posted By: Bedsaddick[/cite]I happen to think people will vote with their feet and i expect a 20k plus crowd against Plymouth.
So do I. And I think it will iclude people who think it is a good decision, a bad decision and people who have reservations. They will all give him their full support.
[cite]Posted By: aliwibble[/cite] Many here may be willing to give him until the end of the next season to get us promoted, but will the board? And there's always the "Kelvin of Sevenoaks" factor to consider. If we don't start winning our home games convincingly, or god forbid we get hammered at home by Southampton or Peterborough, how long will the honeymoon period last?
Blimey. If I was as terrified of the world as that, I don't think I'd even have the courage to get out of bed in the morning!
Sod 'Kelvin from Sevenoaks'. Chris Powell is our new manager. Most of us are thrilled and feel it's the best thing to happen to Charlton in five interminably lousy, horrible years. I presume tomorrow we will hear that he has been given a two or three year contract. That takes him through this season, the next and most of the one after that, at the very least. He has the goodwill of (almost) every Charlton fan. He's a splendid man who knows and loves the Chalrton way. Let's give him, the club , the owners, the fans and everyone a a chance to work together and restore Charlton to where we want to be. Is that too much to ask?
If he turns out to be worse than Parkinson, I'm sure you will be back saying 'told you so'. But hey, that's life. We'll take that chance. For the moment he is inspiring 99 per cent of us - and that has to be a great thing. Tip for living a longer life: stop worrying about things that are beyond your control!
If he turns out to be worse than Parkinson, I'm sure you will be back saying 'told you so'. But hey, that's life. We'll take that chance. For the moment he is inspiring 99 per cent of us - and that has to be a great thing.
As long as he's not worse than Pardew....
As a manager CP ticks most of the boxes - he knows the club, has several years coaching experience, is enthusiastic about the game - one thing we haven't done is bring in an old sweat type who'll trot out the cliches. He achieved enough as a player to have a reputation and I think if nothing else his enthusiasm will be infectious. Against that I have two minor reservations - no managerial experience and whether he's too nice a bloke to hand out a bollocking when it's needed.
What does he inherit? A team who've lost their way a bit but are in fifth spot - automatic promotion is still a possibility, and all in all we don't have a bad set of players - compared with the rest of L1 it's a very good squad with the addition of a couple of new players here and there we could have a very good squad, what will make it a promotion squad is a bit of team spirit and confidence/self-belief.
It is somewhat difficult to find a truly good manager. But it really is not all that difficult to identify the attributes that separate good managers from average or bad ones.
Contrary to what many believe, a significant problem in any business is a lack of qualified management personnel. Bear in mind that people are the key factor in the success of any business. And it all starts with the management team. There seems to be such a dearth of good managers that organizations tend to accept mediocrity as a way of life rather than deal with the difficult issues of turning bad managers out. Or their managers are not good mentors and coaches and haven't worked to mold them into effective managers. It really seems to be a vicious cycle in most businesses.
But when it is time to identify someone for a management position, it helps immensely to look for certain attributes that tend to be found in good managers. The following list is probably not a complete one, but it seems to form a good foundation in terms of identifying what attributes are common among good managers:
-They have strong people skills.
-They possess strong communication skills, both verbal and written.
-They have a sense of fairness in dealing with people and issues.
-They exhibit consistency in behavior.
-They are able to control emotions and keep them out of decision making and interactions with -others.
-They believe that employees are more important to his/her and the company's success than he/she is.
-They are honest.
-They are willing to seek input from employees and build consensus.
-They are open minded.
-They are flexible.
-They have well controlled egos.
-They are self-confident.
-They are good listeners.
-They possess the ability to be direct when needed without being abusive or offensive.
-They have a sincere interest in people and their well being.
-They have good perceptive/intuitive abilities.
-They possess a good understanding of what makes people tick.
-They are mature.
-They allow others to get credit for positive outcomes.
-They understand that hiring good people is critical to their success and they do not micromanage.
-They are willing to admit to their own shortcomings and mistakes and do not feel a persistent need to be right.
Slightly tongue in cheek, but from what we have heard and have experienced about Sir Chris he has the vast majority of these attributes and you could argue more than the previous two incumbents
We all know its a risk, but its one that will galvanise the fanbase, put a few thousand on the gate and improve the mood a hundredfold. Who he gathers around him will be crucial, for all his faults Parky consistently proved he could spot a player and Chris is unproven in this aspect, but in all others as a manager (football or otherwise) he has tremendous potential that hopefully he will realise with us
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite] the constant snide digs just sour the optimism.
Agreed. But happily, for the moment CP's appointment is inspiring 99 per cent of us to a better feeling than we've had about the club in 4/5 years - and that's a great thing and something we should all celebrate.
When Liverpool appointed Dalglish i laughed that they would make an appointment based on emotion and sentiment. When Palace appointed Freedman I was pleased to see them "settling" for an inexperienced former player.
... When we go for Chrissy Powell all I get is huge excitement to see him back at the club! It might not be a rational response, but I haven't been this excited about CAFC in a long time.
I'm a bit worried about this appointment but I can't imagine a Charlton fan that will back him less than 100%, me included. I'm just hoping the fans return to the Curbs philosophy of not getting too carried away with a win and not being distraught after a loss. Patience the order of the day.
[cite]Posted By: mart77[/cite]I'm a bit worried about this appointment but I can't imagine a Charlton fan that will back him less than 100%, me included. I'm just hoping the fans return to the Curbs philosophy of not getting too carried away with a win and not being distraught after a loss. Patience the order of the day.
Ultimately he will be judged on results, imo he will get a lot more time to get it right than any of the others that were mentioned.
Yes the Over reaction should slow down and it is an over reaction but isnt that what football fans do over react to goals, offsides, pens, wins, losses, draws
but as a football fan nothing pleases you more than one of your own doing well
i look at players past and i would say 95% of them i wish well and if they are on the big stage like benty or Jonjo i really wish them the best and i normally want their team to win.
Powelly is the same he might not have been made here but he is without a doubt one of us dont you ever think he isnt, the same as he is proberly one of every club that had the good fortune and were honoured that he played for them.
over 200 games for us and never let us down once. and based on that i cant see how he wouyld let us down now.
WE are in the 3rd division of English football 1 league away from the Conference we are the lower league club for him to cut his cloth.
How would everyone have felt then if Palace or Peterborough, or someone similar had given Powell his first chance? Me, personally I would have thought why didn't we get him in!
This isn't the time to be thinking "bad decision", it's just so negative and this is the feeling thats been around the club for too long. Powell should be getting 100% support from the fans from what he's done.
Every manager has to start somewhere and I'm delighted it's here.
[cite]Posted By: Debaser[/cite]This isn't the time to be thinking "bad decision", it's just so negative and this is the feeling thats been around the club for too long. Powell should be getting 100% support from the fans from what he's done.
Every manager has to start somewhere and I'm delighted it's here.
There's only a few not pleased (I think). I guarantee that the next home game you will hear a Charlton managers name sung long and loud for the first time in years: Win, lose or draw.
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]How would everyone have felt then if Palace or Peterborough, or someone similar had given Powell his first chance? Me, personally I would have thought why didn't we get him in!
Cheated. Would be like seeing the girl you had a big thing for at school but never got it on for whatever reason and then seeing her out on the town with the fat spotty kid who used to grass you up for copying your homework.
You'd know you were here true love and that one day she'd see the light but at the same time it would grate that she was knocking about with the tubby wrong un.
This is my first post since the speculation posts went bonkers last night. Like most I am fully behind Chris Powell and am exited, elated and concerned in equal measure. I genuinely have no idea where this will end but I am going to enjoy the ride and really hope for the best. I am looking forward to the unveiling tomorrow and can't wait to hear what Chris and also Michael Slater have to say. COYR
At the end of the day results will ultimately decide how CP does just like any other Manager, but he will start with an awful lot of goodwill and support from the fans which has to be a good thing and will buy him valuable time. It also has to give the Club a huge lift and with any luck that will rub off on the players.
Hope it works. Will continue to be a Charlton supporter either way. I support a football team not a manager. Lets see how it works out in the January transfer market.
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]Blimey. If I was as terrified of the world as that, I don't think I'd even have the courage to get out of bed in the morning!
And there you go again. I realise that hyperbole is an occupational hazard for you, but it would be helpful for these types of discussions if you didn't reach for it quite so readily.
Chris Powell is our new manager. Most of us are thrilled and feel it's the best thing to happen to Charlton in five interminably lousy, horrible years.
Most of us were thrilled when Pardew took over. Admittedly Chris is an entirely different type of character to Pardew, but by all accounts Parky was a lovely man too, and that didn't help him any.
I presume tomorrow we will hear that he has been given a two or three year contract. That takes him through this season, the next and most of the one after that, at the very least He had the goodwill of (almost) every Charlton fan.
I should imagine he has the goodwill of all Charlton fans actually. Having reservations about this being the right decision doesn't mean we don't want him to do well. I'd rather be happy than right.
He's a splendid man who knows and loves the Chalrton way.
So was Les Reed.
Let's give him, the club , the owners, the fans and everyone a a chance to work together and restore Charlton to where we want to be, for god's sake!
But there's nothing to stop us working together while still having reservations is there? I'm sure I've heard it said repeatedly here over the last few months that expressing negative sentiments here during the week doesn't mean you aren't getting behind the boys on a Saturday. Just because the manager has changed, and it's a different group of people having reservations about what's going on at the club, doesn't mean the principle no longer applies, does it?
If he turns out to be worse than Parkinson, I'm sure you will be back saying 'told you so'.
I doubt it, as that'd mean that a good man (not to mention a Charlton legend) had been vilified and ignominiously sacked, and I can't see any reason to take any pleasure in that. What I certainly won't be doing is going on about it in thread after thread, and dismissing those who disagreed with me as "rose-tinted" and not being realistic.
Not sure that any other appointment could have generated as much positive feeling as this including Curbs. No mean feat by the new board in achieving universal approval in their choice. More of this please.
Whilst overly sentimental i have felt a void since Curbishley left and this is the closest to filling it ive felt for years. Yes it might go tits up but just for imagine for a second seeing Chris Powell leading "his" Charlton team one day onto a sun-drenched Valley in August to kick off a new season in the Championship in front of 27000.
I dont think i could have sex that would ever top that feeling no matter how much viagra, cocaine or swedish porn stars were involved (in the sex....not the above scenario at the Valley)
Think Golfie must have spoken with our Mum and Dad who when I called to tell them the great news were underwelmed, 'thought we were going to get an experienced Manager to get us out of this league'. That isn't to say they will not be behind him though but obviously have reservations. As for Golfie, I'll work on him too !!
[cite]Posted By: aliwibble[/cite] I realise that hyperbole is an occupational hazard for you
Sure. It's a fine tool of the rhetorical art and has been since the days of Cicero. But you know that. When one reads on, your post starts talking about people being ''vilified and ignominiously sacked''. And in another post I read a couple of minutes before that , you told us ''people think the club is bonkers for sacking Parky''.
Anyway, if your post means you are ready to move on and join in the acclamation for Sir Chris at the Valley on Sat week, you've made my evening !
Loved CP as a player but a little worried about this appointment. I would have liked to have seen Sean O'Driscoll but why would he step down a dvision unless he was promised a good salary and money to spend which obviously is not on the table. I will however back CP to the hilt. Will he run out of the tunnel after games in a suit ?
[cite]Posted By: aliwibble[/cite]I realise that hyperbole is an occupational hazard for you
Sure. It's a fine tool of the rhetorical art and has been since the days of Cicero. But you know that.
Being a humble techie, I wouldn't know about Cicero. But I do know that fine tools soon become dull through overuse, so perhaps you should use it more sparingly.
When one reads on, your post starts talking about people being ''vilified and ignominiously sacked''.
So you don't consider a section of the crowd chanting "Parky, Parky, you're a c**t" to be vilification then?
And in another post I read a couple of minutes before that , you told us ''people think the club is bonkers for sacking Parky''.
Oh, and now you've moved on to the misleading, out of context quotation trick. For the benefit of everybody else, what I actually said was "Outside of Charlton circles, people think the club is bonkers for sacking Parky..." which I think is a fair description of the reaction on twitter and elsewhere at the time. However, you seem to be trying and failing to make some kind of point with those quotes - would you care to clarify what it was?
Anyway, if your post means you are ready to move on and join in the acclamation for Sir Chris at the Valley on Sat week, you've made my evening !
My word, from your previous posts here, I'd never have thought you were so easily pleased. But yes, I hope to make it to the game, and if Chris Powell is our manager I will be welcoming him along with everybody else. It is possible to think decisions made by the club are inadvisable, and still get behind the team you know.
How is this any different to Shearer at Newcastle or Dalglish at Liverpool? I remember a lot of people laughing at those appointments.
Sentimentality is always nice, but not always realistic. Think everyone is getting pretty carried away at seeing him back at the club and not really thinking about anything else.
I really don’t think voicing reservations as to whether Sir Chris is the right man for the job is really a negative thing.
Surely this is a forum for discussion – why on earth would you log on if you weren’t prepared to deal with people who may not hold the same view as you ?
For my part, anyone who’s stuck with us through the last few years of decline deserves to be called a true supporter wherever they are in the world and however many games they go to. Fair play to you all, you’re men (and women!!) after my own heart.
For my part I’m a little concerned by this. Not that Powell is our manager (although his lack of experience and the fact that he’s a “nice guy” concern me somewhat). I’m more concerned that the owners were clearly unable to tempt a manager away from a relatively minor outfit (Bournemouth) and instead appear only to have been able to convince a man with no experience, a couple of coaching badges and nice recommendation from Sven to come manage the club. Does this say something about the funds (or lack of them) they have at their disposal ?
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So do I. And I think it will iclude people who think it is a good decision, a bad decision and people who have reservations. They will all give him their full support.
Blimey. If I was as terrified of the world as that, I don't think I'd even have the courage to get out of bed in the morning!
Sod 'Kelvin from Sevenoaks'. Chris Powell is our new manager. Most of us are thrilled and feel it's the best thing to happen to Charlton in five interminably lousy, horrible years. I presume tomorrow we will hear that he has been given a two or three year contract. That takes him through this season, the next and most of the one after that, at the very least. He has the goodwill of (almost) every Charlton fan. He's a splendid man who knows and loves the Chalrton way. Let's give him, the club , the owners, the fans and everyone a a chance to work together and restore Charlton to where we want to be. Is that too much to ask?
If he turns out to be worse than Parkinson, I'm sure you will be back saying 'told you so'. But hey, that's life. We'll take that chance. For the moment he is inspiring 99 per cent of us - and that has to be a great thing. Tip for living a longer life: stop worrying about things that are beyond your control!
As long as he's not worse than Pardew....
As a manager CP ticks most of the boxes - he knows the club, has several years coaching experience, is enthusiastic about the game - one thing we haven't done is bring in an old sweat type who'll trot out the cliches. He achieved enough as a player to have a reputation and I think if nothing else his enthusiasm will be infectious. Against that I have two minor reservations - no managerial experience and whether he's too nice a bloke to hand out a bollocking when it's needed.
What does he inherit? A team who've lost their way a bit but are in fifth spot - automatic promotion is still a possibility, and all in all we don't have a bad set of players - compared with the rest of L1 it's a very good squad with the addition of a couple of new players here and there we could have a very good squad, what will make it a promotion squad is a bit of team spirit and confidence/self-belief.
Cribbed from here
Slightly tongue in cheek, but from what we have heard and have experienced about Sir Chris he has the vast majority of these attributes and you could argue more than the previous two incumbents
We all know its a risk, but its one that will galvanise the fanbase, put a few thousand on the gate and improve the mood a hundredfold. Who he gathers around him will be crucial, for all his faults Parky consistently proved he could spot a player and Chris is unproven in this aspect, but in all others as a manager (football or otherwise) he has tremendous potential that hopefully he will realise with us
Agreed. But happily, for the moment CP's appointment is inspiring 99 per cent of us to a better feeling than we've had about the club in 4/5 years - and that's a great thing and something we should all celebrate.
When Palace appointed Freedman I was pleased to see them "settling" for an inexperienced former player.
... When we go for Chrissy Powell all I get is huge excitement to see him back at the club! It might not be a rational response, but I haven't been this excited about CAFC in a long time.
My view too, Mart. Well put.
Yes the Over reaction should slow down and it is an over reaction but isnt that what football fans do over react to goals, offsides, pens, wins, losses, draws
but as a football fan nothing pleases you more than one of your own doing well
i look at players past and i would say 95% of them i wish well and if they are on the big stage like benty or Jonjo i really wish them the best and i normally want their team to win.
Powelly is the same he might not have been made here but he is without a doubt one of us dont you ever think he isnt, the same as he is proberly one of every club that had the good fortune and were honoured that he played for them.
over 200 games for us and never let us down once. and based on that i cant see how he wouyld let us down now.
WE are in the 3rd division of English football 1 league away from the Conference we are the lower league club for him to cut his cloth.
and rightly so the journey should start here
Have to say some of the posts on CL today are close to hysterical, in both senses.
Every manager has to start somewhere and I'm delighted it's here.
There's only a few not pleased (I think). I guarantee that the next home game you will hear a Charlton managers name sung long and loud for the first time in years: Win, lose or draw.
Cheated. Would be like seeing the girl you had a big thing for at school but never got it on for whatever reason and then seeing her out on the town with the fat spotty kid who used to grass you up for copying your homework.
You'd know you were here true love and that one day she'd see the light but at the same time it would grate that she was knocking about with the tubby wrong un.
Most of us were thrilled when Pardew took over. Admittedly Chris is an entirely different type of character to Pardew, but by all accounts Parky was a lovely man too, and that didn't help him any.
I should imagine he has the goodwill of all Charlton fans actually. Having reservations about this being the right decision doesn't mean we don't want him to do well. I'd rather be happy than right.
So was Les Reed.
But there's nothing to stop us working together while still having reservations is there? I'm sure I've heard it said repeatedly here over the last few months that expressing negative sentiments here during the week doesn't mean you aren't getting behind the boys on a Saturday. Just because the manager has changed, and it's a different group of people having reservations about what's going on at the club, doesn't mean the principle no longer applies, does it?
I doubt it, as that'd mean that a good man (not to mention a Charlton legend) had been vilified and ignominiously sacked, and I can't see any reason to take any pleasure in that. What I certainly won't be doing is going on about it in thread after thread, and dismissing those who disagreed with me as "rose-tinted" and not being realistic.
I dont think i could have sex that would ever top that feeling no matter how much viagra, cocaine or swedish porn stars were involved (in the sex....not the above scenario at the Valley)
Sure. It's a fine tool of the rhetorical art and has been since the days of Cicero. But you know that. When one reads on, your post starts talking about people being ''vilified and ignominiously sacked''. And in another post I read a couple of minutes before that , you told us ''people think the club is bonkers for sacking Parky''.
Anyway, if your post means you are ready to move on and join in the acclamation for Sir Chris at the Valley on Sat week, you've made my evening !
So you don't consider a section of the crowd chanting "Parky, Parky, you're a c**t" to be vilification then?
Oh, and now you've moved on to the misleading, out of context quotation trick. For the benefit of everybody else, what I actually said was "Outside of Charlton circles, people think the club is bonkers for sacking Parky..." which I think is a fair description of the reaction on twitter and elsewhere at the time. However, you seem to be trying and failing to make some kind of point with those quotes - would you care to clarify what it was?
My word, from your previous posts here, I'd never have thought you were so easily pleased. But yes, I hope to make it to the game, and if Chris Powell is our manager I will be welcoming him along with everybody else. It is possible to think decisions made by the club are inadvisable, and still get behind the team you know.
Sentimentality is always nice, but not always realistic. Think everyone is getting pretty carried away at seeing him back at the club and not really thinking about anything else.
I really hope he is successful.
If chrissy Powell had taken any job in league 1 everyone would be wishing him luck and saying he deserved the chance.
We are a 3rd division football club I am sure some of you need to remember that
Surely this is a forum for discussion – why on earth would you log on if you weren’t prepared to deal with people who may not hold the same view as you ?
For my part, anyone who’s stuck with us through the last few years of decline deserves to be called a true supporter wherever they are in the world and however many games they go to. Fair play to you all, you’re men (and women!!) after my own heart.
For my part I’m a little concerned by this. Not that Powell is our manager (although his lack of experience and the fact that he’s a “nice guy” concern me somewhat). I’m more concerned that the owners were clearly unable to tempt a manager away from a relatively minor outfit (Bournemouth) and instead appear only to have been able to convince a man with no experience, a couple of coaching badges and nice recommendation from Sven to come manage the club. Does this say something about the funds (or lack of them) they have at their disposal ?