Not sure that's true - he only left us 2 years ago ... they'd have to be pretty young (and therefore unlikely to be swearing 'idiots') not to remember him.
By the way, just looked on Wiki and they are already stating Chris as our manager.
i dont understand why everyone says he needs more experience so they dont want him, granted he needs more experience, but how will he get this experience if no-one hires him? he might have a natural flair for managing a team that he is very close to? noone can judge him on whether or not he is a good manager until he has actually managed here so im all up for waiting and seeing
[cite]Posted By: Clem_Snide[/cite]
The majority of the idiots screaming c**t at Parky looked to me to be teens, there is a good chance they wont remember the Powell era andwill see him asfair game if things go wrong.
Good point. If they don't remember him as a player, they can't and won't feel the same way about him as the rest of us. Indeed, perhaps at this very moment they are echoing that infamous Standard headline and saying''Chris f*****g who?''
So if they get abusive if it doesn't quite all go according to plan, up to the rest of us to out-sing and out-shout them, I guess. I have to admit that Parkinson never pressed enough of my buttons to do that. But CP certainly does...
If there's any of this, the grown-ups need to take responsibility for educating them, if you understand my meaning. Early to bed and no supper!
[cite]Posted By: Essex_Al[/cite]It's strange, after the reaction on here today, I texted five of my mates and all five responses were the same, totally underwhelmed! Time will tell I suppose.
likewise - just hope the emotions are as buoyant once reality kicks in - can't help looking at this as being similar to the kenny dalglish appointment - bit of a crowd pleaser / motivational, but possibly only temporary - just a and i hope it works out either way.
What happened the FIRST time Kenny took over at Liverpool....?
What happened the FIRST time Keegan took over at Newcastle....?
What about Shearer when the new owner tried to please the fans? It's a gamble, as always we have no idea what's going to happen and that's one of the joys of being a football fan!
Dont forget powell only relatively recently retired from the game and is possibly more in tune with what makes the modern pro tick and how to get the best out of different egos and temperaments than an older, more experienced manager.
Hodgson is a vastly experienced manager with a pretty admirable record but im not sure how intune him and managers of his ilk are with todays player.
I may have even questioned Curbs if he came back for this reason.....he commanded the respect of any player that came to the Valley because he effectively was the club for the generations he governed.
In a similar vein this is why i liked the idea of poyet and howe but for me Powell is a complete leftfield but ultimately the best choice anyone could have suggested to me.
I feel like ive been gearing up for a weekend in camber sands (safe, tried and tested and know what id be getting) and then someone has just given me a two week trip to the Moon.
Scary, unchartered territory with potential dangers but at the same time exciting and would never ever stop regretting not taking it if only for the exhileration of the experience.
will chrissy and robbie both jump from the tunnel then we we a game (something to think about lol) but i will be loving chrissy powell managing charlton! passion yes footballing brain yes!. the charlton passion will be back for all to see!
I feel like ive been gearing up for a weekend in camber sands (safe, tried and tested and know what id be getting) and then someone has just given me a two week trip to the Moon.
Scary, unchartered territory with potential dangers but at the same time exciting and would never ever stop regretting not taking it if only for the exhileration of the experience.
Brilliant analogy, Rodders. Best post of the last 24 hours!
And seriously ,to me it suggests that S&J have prioritised getting the Valley rocking again above must-have immediate promotion. They need bums on seats and the revenue that brings in. Then promotion can follow. It can still be this season. But if it takes a season longer, they will now have the support and patience of the fans - which they would not have had under Parkinson, Howe or anyone else.
He can tell young players what it's like to be released from a club, what it's like to play in the lower leagues, what it's like to get promoted and relegated, what it's like to go out on loan, what it's like to work your way up to playing in the Premier League and what it's like to play for your country. He can tell players how to look after their bodies so that they can have a 20 year pro career. He's worked with Sven (twice), Curbishley, Jim Smith, Dave Webb, Colin Murphy, Barry Fry, Peter Taylor, Ronnie Whelan, Steve Coppell, Paulo Sousa, Aidy Boothroyd and Nigel Pearson. And he knows how NOT to do it from Alan Pardew! He'll know all about player contracts from his work with the PFA. I wouldn't call that inexperience.....
I've been quite critical of Parky's sacking and very doubtful about this new board.
Actually I've been thinking that everyone on here was getting over-hysterical about Eddie Howe. I doubted that he would be that good away from Bournemouth because he is within his comfort zone there. It's his club and the supporters love him. Which surely leads us to Chris Powell......yes, this could in fact turn out to be a masterstroke. I'm getting some good vibes.
Am I getting delusional like so many others on here this last fortnight? Maybe I am but think about it. He's done his coaching badges, his young(ish), everyone seems to like him, and he seems to love Charlton.
He has no experience but should that mean that we let another club give it to him. What if he were successful with them; then we really would be pissed off. Let the man get his experience with us, yes it's a risk, but I think an educated risk.
we tried expereicne it failed, dowie, pardew, parkinson... all THREE of those managers had success on their first appointments...
We have one of our in with tremendous playing expereince, we have a board with great contacts within the game we have some cash and we have a half decent team allbeit a light squad...
So he has to get them firing he has to get them believing and the good news is that maybe , just maybe, this will make people think for a second before they turrn the valley atmosphere toxic.. maybe just ,aybe some of the fans might have a bit more respect for powell and see if we can give the team the breathing space it needs to get playing with confidence at home...
I feel like ive been gearing up for a weekend in camber sands (safe, tried and tested and know what id be getting) and then someone has just given me a two week trip to the Moon.
Scary, unchartered territory with potential dangers but at the same time exciting and would never ever stop regretting not taking it if only for the exhileration of the experience.
That wins best analogy ever on CL for me, Rodney!!!
[cite]Posted By: jimmymelrose[/cite]Am I the only person in both camps about this?
I've been quite critical of Parky's sacking and very doubtful about this new board.
Actually I've been thinking that everyone on here was getting over-hysterical about Eddie Howe. I doubted that he would be that good away from Bournemouth because he is within his comfort zone there. It's his club and the supporters love him. Which surely leads us to Chris Powell......yes, this could in fact turn out to be a masterstroke. I'm getting some good vibes.
Am I getting delusional like so many others on here this last fortnight? Maybe I am but think about it. He's done his coaching badges, his young(ish), everyone seems to like him, and he seems to love Charlton.
He has no experience but should that mean that we let another club give it to him. What if he were successful with them; then we really would be pissed off. Let the man get his experience with us, yes it's a risk, but I think an educated risk.
those saying he doesn't have enough experience have failed to come up with a better choice
those of us over the moon at his appointment, could end up very dissapointed & with egg on our collective faces
irrespective of your viewpoint he deserves everyone who call's themselves a Charlton fan's support.......it's in his interest & our's that he is more Keegan 92 than Lombardo 98 !
[cite]Posted By: HarryHutchens[/cite]He can tell young players what it's like to be released from a club, what it's like to play in the lower leagues, what it's like to get promoted and relegated, what it's like to go out on loan, what it's like to work your way up to playing in the Premier League and what it's like to play for your country. He can tell players how to look after their bodies so that they can have a 20 year pro career.
He's worked with Sven (twice), Curbishley, Jim Smith, Dave Webb, Colin Murphy, Barry Fry, Peter Taylor, Ronnie Whelan, Steve Coppell, Paulo Sousa, Aidy Boothroyd and Nigel Pearson. And he knows how NOT to do it from Alan Pardew! He'll know all about player contracts from his work with the PFA. I wouldn't call that inexperience.....
[cite]Posted By: jimmymelrose[/cite]Am I the only person in both camps about this?
I've been quite critical of Parky's sacking and very doubtful about this new board.
Actually I've been thinking that everyone on here was getting over-hysterical about Eddie Howe. I doubted that he would be that good away from Bournemouth because he is within his comfort zone there. It's his club and the supporters love him. Which surely leads us to Chris Powell......yes, this could in fact turn out to be a masterstroke. I'm getting some good vibes.
Am I getting delusional like so many others on here this last fortnight? Maybe I am but think about it. He's done his coaching badges, his young(ish), everyone seems to like him, and he seems to love Charlton.
He has no experience but should that mean that we let another club give it to him. What if he were successful with them; then we really would be pissed off. Let the man get his experience with us, yes it's a risk, but I think an educated risk.
I will be delighted if Powell comes in but am not going to go overboard about it, there is a lot of hard work ahead before we can claim to have achieved anything.
All we have done so far is sack Parkinson - anyone can sack a manager - and bring in an untested, albeit much loved, newcomer.
As the imcomparable Mr. Wolf says in Pulp Fiction........
[quote][cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Essex_Al[/cite]It's strange, after the reaction on here today, I texted five of my mates and all five responses were the same, totally underwhelmed! Time will tell I suppose.[/quote]
likewise - just hope the emotions are as buoyant once reality kicks in - can't help looking at this as being similar to the kenny dalglish appointment - bit of a crowd pleaser / motivational, but possibly only temporary - just a and i hope it works out either way.[/quote] What happened the FIRST time Kenny took over at Liverpool....?
What happened the FIRST time Keegan took over at Newcastle....?[/quote]What about Shearer when the new owner tried to please the fans? It's a gamble, as always we have no idea what's going to happen and that's one of the joys of being a football fan![/quote]
Big difference between Powell & Shearer is that Powell is not an egotistical twat though.
[cite]Posted By: Clem_Snide[/cite]
The majority of the idiots screaming c**t at Parky looked to me to be teens, there is a good chance they wont remember the Powell era andwill see him asfair game if things go wrong.
Good point. If they don't remember him as a player, they can't and won't feel the same way about him as the rest of us. Indeed, perhaps at this very moment they are echoing that infamous Standard headline and saying''Chris f*****g who?''
So if they get abusive if it doesn't quite all go according to plan, up to the rest of us to out-sing and out-shout them, I guess. I have to admit that Parkinson never pressed enough of my buttons to do that. But CP certainly does...
I don't imagine for a minute they won't know about him. My eldest (16) was over the moon when he heard the news, and my youngest (11) still wears a Powell No3 t-shirt - a hand me down admittedly. My lads aren't boo boys by any stretch of the imagination, but if they know who Chris is, I'm sure that others of their age group (and a bit older) will.
Any managerial appointment is a gamble, I am happy given the right backing he has the chance to learn as we go upwards towards where most feel we should be. As for the Les Reed analogy, whilst similar, they are completely different. We were in the Prem when Les got the job and the press attacked him before his first game and no media publication will do that to Sir Chris, they seem to love him nearly as much as we do.
Also other than us and the bods at the FA who knew who Les Reed was? Gerrard did I remember and he said he ruined his England youth experience, which may have been unfair or a true indictment of his lack of empathy. When todays footballers were kids, the time when we all fell in love with the game, Sir Chris was playing for England, albeit for a handful of times. So 20 somethings know he has been to the top and will respect him for it. When Reed was given the job we were all shocked and hoping he would do a good job, the atmosphere is certainly different now, most of us are ecstatic
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The trouble is our defence needs sorting out, not just how to defend but Francis hasn't got the quality, Doc is too slow, Dailly not much quicker and surely he can't go on another year. Can he be ruthless enough to show them the door or is he too nice?
I can't help thinking that like the appointments of Shearer & Keegan at Newcastle and more recently 'king' Kenny at Liverpool this is nothing more than fan appeasement.
I'm pleased for the guy, and really hope he does well but we've sacked someone with experience and got in a nice guy and Charlton Legend in with 2 weeks experience of Managment and are still expecting automatic promotion?
I hope he proves me wrong and is a massive success. But it will buy the board a lot of time to get their sh*t in place.
A point to consider is that none of our current crop of players will have the slightest clue what Chris Powell means to us, the fans. The only way they will realise how much he means to us is through the noise, the mad, out of proportion never been seen or heard before vocalisations made by the crowd at the next few home games. It is so important we communicate to the players our collective respect for the man It may make them work even harder for him.
I see CP's lack of experience as a potential positive - a new job and his first chance to prove himself should see such a conscientious man working his nuts off to succeed.
I'm both confused and delighted with this appointment. I'm not sure it tells us much about the new owners, I was hoping the calibre of Manager might indicate the funds available.
I hope for Chrissy's sake that he nails it. At the same time, this has also put me in an incredibly good mood!
Surely getting the Valley rocking will help us get promotion. The club has had such a dire few years, positivity has been beaten out of us. Sometimes you just need to turn the tide and the board see Chrissy as the person to do that. I think Parky did a good job and the fact that we have some good players for this level at the club will help Chrissy. For me, our biggest failing has been lack of pace up front - I know the defence is leaky but I think with a lively attack a(nd Ecclestone could be a big signing), making runs and trobling opponents it will make life easier for our midfield which is strong and all this will in turn help the defence. Powell's main job is to lift the Valley and the rest can follow. Another couple of decent signings and we are title contenders - Powell doesn't need to be Brian Clough. But inside the game his reputation as a coach has been steadily growing and it would be wrong to forget this. I honestly think this has more chance of turning out well than badly.
[cite]Posted By: Kiely#1[/cite]I'm both confused and delighted with this appointment. I'm not sure it tells us much about the new owners, I was hoping the calibre of Manager might indicate the funds available.
I hope for Chrissy's sake that he nails it. At the same time, this has also put me in an incredibly good mood!
I questioned the same point, but as was pointed on another thread , we paid up 3 members of the old mgmt team, we had apparently agreed the deal with Bournemouth to allow us to talk to Howe and the compo i am sure wouldve been discussed.
Then you wouldve had increased wages of Howe because i am sure he wouldve wanted more than Parky was on.
Then you have Ecclestone who if he is a young prospect at a (supposedly) sorry Jonjo Top Premier league club, the starting salary would be up near the 10k per week and someone close to the deal had mentioned they wanted us to pay full wages if we was to use the Liverpool tie up.
And i think we will see more players soon.
The new owners stated when they took over they WOULD NOT be just throwing money at it, it would be done the right way.
Dont expect a Fulham style purcahse ala big Mo
and dont expect a Man citeh style of buy everyone and anyone.
[cite]Posted By: valleyman[/cite]
Big difference between Powell & Shearer is that Powell is not an egotistical twat though.
Another difference was that after hanging up his boots, Shearer became a television muppet pundit .... and lost his hands on contact with playing the game.
Chris Powell has been involved all the way through, evolving into player coach, assistant, etc. Each and every day he has been part of the management team. That's the accumulative practical experience that Shearer never had before his own management appointment. Big difference.
[cite]Posted By: Floyd Montana[/cite]A point to consider is that none of our current crop of players will have the slightest clue what Chris Powell means to us, the fans.
Not really true though.
Someone posted on another thread that Jon Fortune, Jose Semedo, Terry Racon, Scott Wagstaff, Rob Elliott, etc have all played in the same team as Chris Powell.
[cite]Posted By: Floyd Montana[/cite]A point to consider is that none of our current crop of players will have the slightest clue what Chris Powell means to us, the fans.
Not really true though.
Someone posted on another thread that Jon Fortune, Jose Semedo, Terry Racon, Scott Wagstaff, Rob Elliott, etc have all played in the same team as Chris Powell.
And surely older players like Doherty and Jackson know who he is. Kyel Reid probably knew him at West Ham. Would be hard to believe players like Francis have never heard of him either.
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By the way, just looked on Wiki and they are already stating Chris as our manager.
granted he needs more experience, but how will he get this experience if no-one hires him?
he might have a natural flair for managing a team that he is very close to? noone can judge him on whether or not he is a good manager until he has actually managed here so im all up for waiting and seeing
If there's any of this, the grown-ups need to take responsibility for educating them, if you understand my meaning. Early to bed and no supper!
Hodgson is a vastly experienced manager with a pretty admirable record but im not sure how intune him and managers of his ilk are with todays player.
I may have even questioned Curbs if he came back for this reason.....he commanded the respect of any player that came to the Valley because he effectively was the club for the generations he governed.
In a similar vein this is why i liked the idea of poyet and howe but for me Powell is a complete leftfield but ultimately the best choice anyone could have suggested to me.
I feel like ive been gearing up for a weekend in camber sands (safe, tried and tested and know what id be getting) and then someone has just given me a two week trip to the Moon.
Scary, unchartered territory with potential dangers but at the same time exciting and would never ever stop regretting not taking it if only for the exhileration of the experience.
the charlton passion will be back for all to see!
Brilliant analogy, Rodders. Best post of the last 24 hours!
And seriously ,to me it suggests that S&J have prioritised getting the Valley rocking again above must-have immediate promotion. They need bums on seats and the revenue that brings in. Then promotion can follow. It can still be this season. But if it takes a season longer, they will now have the support and patience of the fans - which they would not have had under Parkinson, Howe or anyone else.
I've been quite critical of Parky's sacking and very doubtful about this new board.
Actually I've been thinking that everyone on here was getting over-hysterical about Eddie Howe. I doubted that he would be that good away from Bournemouth because he is within his comfort zone there. It's his club and the supporters love him. Which surely leads us to Chris Powell......yes, this could in fact turn out to be a masterstroke. I'm getting some good vibes.
Am I getting delusional like so many others on here this last fortnight? Maybe I am but think about it. He's done his coaching badges, his young(ish), everyone seems to like him, and he seems to love Charlton.
He has no experience but should that mean that we let another club give it to him. What if he were successful with them; then we really would be pissed off. Let the man get his experience with us, yes it's a risk, but I think an educated risk.
We have one of our in with tremendous playing expereince, we have a board with great contacts within the game we have some cash and we have a half decent team allbeit a light squad...
So he has to get them firing he has to get them believing and the good news is that maybe , just maybe, this will make people think for a second before they turrn the valley atmosphere toxic.. maybe just ,aybe some of the fans might have a bit more respect for powell and see if we can give the team the breathing space it needs to get playing with confidence at home...
Overall good appointment IMHO
That wins best analogy ever on CL for me, Rodney!!!
Fly me to the moon...
Hear hear and well said
those saying he doesn't have enough experience have failed to come up with a better choice
those of us over the moon at his appointment, could end up very dissapointed & with egg on our collective faces
irrespective of your viewpoint he deserves everyone who call's themselves a Charlton fan's support.......it's in his interest & our's that he is more Keegan 92 than Lombardo 98 !
Good post!
Pretty well my own position.
All we have done so far is sack Parkinson - anyone can sack a manager - and bring in an untested, albeit much loved, newcomer.
As the imcomparable Mr. Wolf says in Pulp Fiction........
likewise - just hope the emotions are as buoyant once reality kicks in - can't help looking at this as being similar to the kenny dalglish appointment - bit of a crowd pleaser / motivational, but possibly only temporary - just a and i hope it works out either way.[/quote]
What happened the FIRST time Kenny took over at Liverpool....?
What happened the FIRST time Keegan took over at Newcastle....?[/quote]What about Shearer when the new owner tried to please the fans? It's a gamble, as always we have no idea what's going to happen and that's one of the joys of being a football fan![/quote]
Big difference between Powell & Shearer is that Powell is not an egotistical twat though.
Also other than us and the bods at the FA who knew who Les Reed was? Gerrard did I remember and he said he ruined his England youth experience, which may have been unfair or a true indictment of his lack of empathy. When todays footballers were kids, the time when we all fell in love with the game, Sir Chris was playing for England, albeit for a handful of times. So 20 somethings know he has been to the top and will respect him for it. When Reed was given the job we were all shocked and hoping he would do a good job, the atmosphere is certainly different now, most of us are ecstatic
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I'm pleased for the guy, and really hope he does well but we've sacked someone with experience and got in a nice guy and Charlton Legend in with 2 weeks experience of Managment and are still expecting automatic promotion?
I hope he proves me wrong and is a massive success. But it will buy the board a lot of time to get their sh*t in place.
The only way they will realise how much he means to us is through the noise, the mad, out of proportion never been seen or heard before vocalisations made by the crowd at the next few home games.
It is so important we communicate to the players our collective respect for the man
It may make them work even harder for him.
I see CP's lack of experience as a potential positive - a new job and his first chance to prove himself should see such a conscientious man working his nuts off to succeed.
I hope for Chrissy's sake that he nails it. At the same time, this has also put me in an incredibly good mood!
I questioned the same point, but as was pointed on another thread , we paid up 3 members of the old mgmt team, we had apparently agreed the deal with Bournemouth to allow us to talk to Howe and the compo i am sure wouldve been discussed.
Then you wouldve had increased wages of Howe because i am sure he wouldve wanted more than Parky was on.
Then you have Ecclestone who if he is a young prospect at a (supposedly) sorry Jonjo Top Premier league club, the starting salary would be up near the 10k per week and someone close to the deal had mentioned they wanted us to pay full wages if we was to use the Liverpool tie up.
And i think we will see more players soon.
The new owners stated when they took over they WOULD NOT be just throwing money at it, it would be done the right way.
Dont expect a Fulham style purcahse ala big Mo
and dont expect a Man citeh style of buy everyone and anyone.
Yet
Another difference was that after hanging up his boots, Shearer became a television muppet pundit .... and lost his hands on contact with playing the game.
Chris Powell has been involved all the way through, evolving into player coach, assistant, etc. Each and every day he has been part of the management team. That's the accumulative practical experience that Shearer never had before his own management appointment. Big difference.
Not really true though.
Someone posted on another thread that Jon Fortune, Jose Semedo, Terry Racon, Scott Wagstaff, Rob Elliott, etc have all played in the same team as Chris Powell.
Fry would have been there too but as a youth player.
Just not what he means to us
We need to let them all know - loudly and clearly