Dennis Wise has a greater win percentage as a manager than Kenny Jackett, how do you explain that?
Over their careers or just in their time at Millwall?
All I can say is under Wise, despite a great cup run, we went backwards even with a million quid to spend, whereas Jackett, considering we were close to being relegated to the 4th division, we've only gone upwards.
Bexley Dan - Wise spent a million quid, not bad really, he spent it on rubbish. Financially things weren't great and players like Cahill left, but there was still a half decent squad there, he didn't add anything to it.
The proof will be in the pudding I suppose if Wise gets appointed. But for someone who ain't managed for a few years it seems a mad choice.
If he ends up manager it looks like an appointment for a mate not what is in the best interests of the club. That would really scare me. He doesn't seem to have been bothered to further his career anywhere else in the last couple of years yet all of a sudden he might be ready to be our manager. Something's not right about that.
Spoke to a number of mates, Norwich, Spurs fans etc all level headed blokes, all said why would Charlton take him?
I'm hoping it's just obvious speculation based on his relationship with the new owners. If they bring in Poyet (can't see him coming) or Hughton then that will show ambition.
[cite]Posted By: Airman Brown[/cite]I'm told that Parky would still be manager if we hadn't lost (so badly) on Monday - so no conspiracy - and that Wise isn't the shoo-in that the bookies would have you believe.
' Leeds, left admitting he was no longer motivated having failed to secure promotion.'
You forgot that he was at the helm when they were relegated to League One. Granted, so was Parkinson. But Bates made Wise manager the previous August or September that season!
what i find uncomfortable is his close relationship with Jiminez, if he were given the job but the results didn't follow, how easy would it then be for Jiminez to sack him ?
I genuinely don't think it'll be him. As others have siad if it were he'd be in place straight away, why wait?
As an aside, some years ago when his name came up (possibly in connection with one of his misdemeanors) I posted that a friend of the family used to deal with Dennis Wise on a daily basis when he was playing and said that he was one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet. Until he'd had a drink...
I think we've all known people like that in our lives and maybe now he's a bti older and 'wiser' he's calmed that side down a bit too?
Still wouldn't be my choice for manager and if we are going to poach a manager off a promotion rival I think Howe is a far better, much cheaper and more realistic bet than Poyet.
what i see is that whoever comes in now is going to want to bring a complete backroom staff with them. This would peclude us getting poyet in the summer which i believe is far more realistic than now. Wise could take over for now and you can be sure that anybody he brought in would be well known to Poyet, Jiminez etc etc. I accept that Wise may have his faults but i just see it as part of the masterplan to get Poyet in eventually. I don't think for one minute that they have stumbled into all this but they probably knew they would be in for a fight to prize Poyet away and a complete overhaul of the squad would be better done in the summer anyway. Maybe Peacock will remain until then?
Footballing reasons aside there is one glaring reason that Wise will not be a good appointment and that's the fans.
Does anybody really think the club would bring in a guy that the fans dislike and would lower the attendances and season ticket sales significantly.
The answer to that is a big NO.
These are businessmen they are not going to alienate their customers.
For what it's worth i have no problem with Wise. He has a lot of contacts in the game is ( despite what people think) quite an intelligent man.
I Don't want Eddie Howe, as many people have suggested as i just do not think he will cope managing us. Not just because of age but at Bournemouth he is in his comfort zone as he played there most of his career and had nothing to lose when he took over because of financial difficulties with the club, take him out of his comfort zone he will be very out of his depth i think. I'm seriously hoping for someone who has been at a club similar to ours before and can cope with the pressure of the boo-boys etc.
My mate who worked with Wise at Leeds got back to me this morning about Little Dennis.
His opening statement? "A right horrible little chunt." No surprises there then.
He said that at Leeds Wise basically established a siege mentality from the start and put himself and the squad against everyone else, hardly a recipe for long-term success.
Indeed he said that Wise should have kept Leeds up in 2007 but that Wise was forever picking fights with players in the team and disrupting everything, most notably Shaun Derry in the "leakgate" fixture against Palace, but also with Kevin Nicholls, one of our old boys.
Perhaps the most revealing insight is that he said, and this is from someone who knows LUFC inside out, that as soon as Poyet left Leeds that it became quite obvious that he had been the main man in terms of coaching the team and that when left by himself that Wise was proven to be wholly inadequate.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]My mate who worked with Wise at Leeds got back to me this morning about Little Dennis.
His opening statement? "A right horrible little chunt." No surprises there then.
He said that at Leeds Wise basically established a siege mentality from the start and put himself and the squad against everyone else, hardly a recipe for long-term success.
Indeed he said that Wise should have kept Leeds up in 2007 but that Wise was forever picking fights with players in the team and disrupting everything, most notably Shaun Derry in the "leakgate" fixture against Palace, but also with Kevin Nicholls, one of our old boys.
Perhaps the most revealing insight is that he said, and this is from someone who knows LUFC inside out, that as soon as Poyet left Leeds that it became quite obvious that he had been the main man in terms of coaching the team and that when left by himself that Wise was proven to be wholly inadequate.
Can't believe that anyone on here is seriously thinking Wise would be a good appointment and believe you'll get Poyet!
As you've clearly again shown, Wise is not a manager. There are plenty of young talented managers about that'll do a better job and deserve the chance.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]My mate who worked with Wise at Leeds got back to me this morning about Little Dennis.
His opening statement? "A right horrible little chunt." No surprises there then.
He said that at Leeds Wise basically established a siege mentality from the start and put himself and the squad against everyone else, hardly a recipe for long-term success.
Indeed he said that Wise should have kept Leeds up in 2007 but that Wise was forever picking fights with players in the team and disrupting everything, most notably Shaun Derry in the "leakgate" fixture against Palace, but also with Kevin Nicholls, one of our old boys.
Perhaps the most revealing insight is that he said, and this is from someone who knows LUFC inside out, that as soon as Poyet left Leeds that it became quite obvious that he had been the main man in terms of coaching the team and that when left by himself that Wise was proven to be wholly inadequate.
Can't believe that anyone on here is seriously thinking Wise would be a good appointment and believe you'll get Poyet!
As you've clearly again shown, Wise is not a manager. There are plenty of young talented managers about that'll do a better job and deserve the chance.
Wise seems to see himself as a scout / agent these days. In the end of the day, i can sense we're about to start moving in the right direction again and i'm afraid Sparrows that it's time to get back in the shade. Hope you've enjoyed lording it for the last year but it's over son. Your glass ceiling sits at about 3rd place in the Championship - ours is a bit higher than that, so step aside and you'll be able to resume your yo yo existence between divs 2 and 3, maybe with palace to keep you company. History suggestswe should always be at least 1 division above you two and a correction is about to occur. best you can hope for is that we don't take too many of your prize assets off you on the way up.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]My mate who worked with Wise at Leeds got back to me this morning about Little Dennis.
His opening statement? "A right horrible little chunt." No surprises there then.
He said that at Leeds Wise basically established a siege mentality from the start and put himself and the squad against everyone else, hardly a recipe for long-term success.
Indeed he said that Wise should have kept Leeds up in 2007 but that Wise was forever picking fights with players in the team and disrupting everything, most notably Shaun Derry in the "leakgate" fixture against Palace, but also with Kevin Nicholls, one of our old boys.
Perhaps the most revealing insight is that he said, and this is from someone who knows LUFC inside out, that as soon as Poyet left Leeds that it became quite obvious that he had been the main man in terms of coaching the team and that when left by himself that Wise was proven to be wholly inadequate.
Can't believe that anyone on here is seriously thinking Wise would be a good appointment and believe you'll get Poyet!
As you've clearly again shown, Wise is not a manager. There are plenty of young talented managers about that'll do a better job and deserve the chance.
Wise seems to see himself as a scout / agent these days. In the end of the day, i can sense we're about to start moving in the right direction again and i'm afraid Sparrows that it's time to get back in the shade. Hope you've enjoyed lording it for the last year but it's over son. Your glass ceiling sits at about 3rd place in the Championship - ours is a bit higher than that, so step aside and you'll be able to resume your yo yo existence between divs 2 and 3, maybe with palace to keep you company. History suggestswe should always be at least 1 division above you two and a correction is about to occur. best you can hope for is that we don't take too many of your prize assets off you on the way up.
It will no doubt end up like that again one day...when I'm not so sure. Depending on how your new owners play this, you could be down there for a few years yet. Massive 2 weeks coming up for you lot, appointing the right man and getting some players in to launch a sustained promotion challenge or appoint the wrong money, splash cash on nothing and miss out on promotion with smaller crowds next season...do you have faith they'll get the right man?
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]My mate who worked with Wise at Leeds got back to me this morning about Little Dennis.
His opening statement? "A right horrible little chunt." No surprises there then.
He said that at Leeds Wise basically established a siege mentality from the start and put himself and the squad against everyone else, hardly a recipe for long-term success.
Indeed he said that Wise should have kept Leeds up in 2007 but that Wise was forever picking fights with players in the team and disrupting everything, most notably Shaun Derry in the "leakgate" fixture against Palace, but also with Kevin Nicholls, one of our old boys.
Perhaps the most revealing insight is that he said, and this is from someone who knows LUFC inside out, that as soon as Poyet left Leeds that it became quite obvious that he had been the main man in terms of coaching the team and that when left by himself that Wise was proven to be wholly inadequate.
Can't believe that anyone on here is seriously thinking Wise would be a good appointment and believe you'll get Poyet!
As you've clearly again shown, Wise is not a manager. There are plenty of young talented managers about that'll do a better job and deserve the chance.
Wise seems to see himself as a scout / agent these days. In the end of the day, i can sense we're about to start moving in the right direction again and i'm afraid Sparrows that it's time to get back in the shade. Hope you've enjoyed lording it for the last year but it's over son. Your glass ceiling sits at about 3rd place in the Championship - ours is a bit higher than that, so step aside and you'll be able to resume your yo yo existence between divs 2 and 3, maybe with palace to keep you company. History suggestswe should always be at least 1 division above you two and a correction is about to occur. best you can hope for is that we don't take too many of your prize assets off you on the way up.
It will no doubt end up like that again one day...when I'm not so sure. Depending on how your new owners play this, you could be down there for a few years yet. Massive 2 weeks coming up for you lot, appointing the right man and getting some players in to launch a sustained promotion challenge or appoint the wrong money, splash cash on nothing and miss out on promotion with smaller crowds next season...do you have faith they'll get the right man?
agreed - its all about getting the right manager - no guarantees of course but i have a feeling we're due an upturn. (by the way - good response, for what my opinion's worth - i was anticipating a possible rant from you but fair play)
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]My mate who worked with Wise at Leeds got back to me this morning about Little Dennis.
His opening statement? "A right horrible little chunt." No surprises there then.
He said that at Leeds Wise basically established a siege mentality from the start and put himself and the squad against everyone else, hardly a recipe for long-term success.
Indeed he said that Wise should have kept Leeds up in 2007 but that Wise was forever picking fights with players in the team and disrupting everything, most notably Shaun Derry in the "leakgate" fixture against Palace, but also with Kevin Nicholls, one of our old boys.
Perhaps the most revealing insight is that he said, and this is from someone who knows LUFC inside out, that as soon as Poyet left Leeds that it became quite obvious that he had been the main man in terms of coaching the team and that when left by himself that Wise was proven to be wholly inadequate.
Can't believe that anyone on here is seriously thinking Wise would be a good appointment and believe you'll get Poyet!
As you've clearly again shown, Wise is not a manager. There are plenty of young talented managers about that'll do a better job and deserve the chance.
Wise seems to see himself as a scout / agent these days. In the end of the day, i can sense we're about to start moving in the right direction again and i'm afraid Sparrows that it's time to get back in the shade. Hope you've enjoyed lording it for the last year but it's over son. Your glass ceiling sits at about 3rd place in the Championship - ours is a bit higher than that, so step aside and you'll be able to resume your yo yo existence between divs 2 and 3, maybe with palace to keep you company. History suggestswe should always be at least 1 division above you two and a correction is about to occur. best you can hope for is that we don't take too many of your prize assets off you on the way up.
It will no doubt end up like that again one day...when I'm not so sure. Depending on how your new owners play this, you could be down there for a few years yet. Massive 2 weeks coming up for you lot, appointing the right man and getting some players in to launch a sustained promotion challenge or appoint the wrong money, splash cash on nothing and miss out on promotion with smaller crowds next season...do you have faith they'll get the right man?
agreed - its all about getting the right manager - no guarantees of course but i have a feeling we're due an upturn. (by the way - good response, for what my opinion's worth - i was anticipating a possible rant from you but fair play)
Dan your post was such a blatant wind up I wouldn't dream of giving you the rant you wanted!! ;-)
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]My mate who worked with Wise at Leeds got back to me this morning about Little Dennis.
His opening statement? "A right horrible little chunt." No surprises there then.
He said that at Leeds Wise basically established a siege mentality from the start and put himself and the squad against everyone else, hardly a recipe for long-term success.
Indeed he said that Wise should have kept Leeds up in 2007 but that Wise was forever picking fights with players in the team and disrupting everything, most notably Shaun Derry in the "leakgate" fixture against Palace, but also with Kevin Nicholls, one of our old boys.
Perhaps the most revealing insight is that he said, and this is from someone who knows LUFC inside out, that as soon as Poyet left Leeds that it became quite obvious that he had been the main man in terms of coaching the team and that when left by himself that Wise was proven to be wholly inadequate.
Can't believe that anyone on here is seriously thinking Wise would be a good appointment and believe you'll get Poyet!
As you've clearly again shown, Wise is not a manager. There are plenty of young talented managers about that'll do a better job and deserve the chance.
Wise seems to see himself as a scout / agent these days. In the end of the day, i can sense we're about to start moving in the right direction again and i'm afraid Sparrows that it's time to get back in the shade. Hope you've enjoyed lording it for the last year but it's over son. Your glass ceiling sits at about 3rd place in the Championship - ours is a bit higher than that, so step aside and you'll be able to resume your yo yo existence between divs 2 and 3, maybe with palace to keep you company. History suggestswe should always be at least 1 division above you two and a correction is about to occur. best you can hope for is that we don't take too many of your prize assets off you on the way up.
It will no doubt end up like that again one day...when I'm not so sure. Depending on how your new owners play this, you could be down there for a few years yet. Massive 2 weeks coming up for you lot, appointing the right man and getting some players in to launch a sustained promotion challenge or appoint the wrong money, splash cash on nothing and miss out on promotion with smaller crowds next season...do you have faith they'll get the right man?
agreed - its all about getting the right manager - no guarantees of course but i have a feeling we're due an upturn. (by the way - good response, for what my opinion's worth - i was anticipating a possible rant from you but fair play)
Dan your post was such a blatant wind up I wouldn't dream of giving you the rant you wanted!! ;-)
I work with an ex-pro, now a semi pro footballer who when he started out used to clean Wise' boots. My colleague played in central defence over 50 times for Millwall, and having known him for 4 years I know my colleague is a good bloke, and has a brain too. He reckons Wise doesn't need a job for money, he also reckons Wise is limited in coaching, and managerial ability, and that if Wise wanted our job it would be mainly to be the centre of attention.
Judging by this thread Wise must already be enjoying all the attention he is getting.
[cite]Posted By: seth plum[/cite]I work with an ex-pro, now a semi pro footballer who when he started out used to clean Wise' boots. My colleague played in central defence over 50 times for Millwall, and having known him for 4 years I know my colleague is a good bloke, and has a brain too. He reckons Wise doesn't need a job for money, he also reckons Wise is limited in coaching, and managerial ability, and that if Wise wanted our job it would be mainly to be the centre of attention.
Judging by this thread Wise must already be enjoying all the attention he is getting.
[cite]Posted By: seth plum[/cite]I work with an ex-pro, now a semi pro footballer who when he started out used to clean Wise' boots. My colleague played in central defence over 50 times for Millwall, and having known him for 4 years I know my colleague is a good bloke, and has a brain too. He reckons Wise doesn't need a job for money, he also reckons Wise is limited in coaching, and managerial ability, and that if Wise wanted our job it would be mainly to be the centre of attention.
Judging by this thread Wise must already be enjoying all the attention he is getting.
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Over their careers or just in their time at Millwall?
All I can say is under Wise, despite a great cup run, we went backwards even with a million quid to spend, whereas Jackett, considering we were close to being relegated to the 4th division, we've only gone upwards.
Bexley Dan - Wise spent a million quid, not bad really, he spent it on rubbish. Financially things weren't great and players like Cahill left, but there was still a half decent squad there, he didn't add anything to it.
The proof will be in the pudding I suppose if Wise gets appointed. But for someone who ain't managed for a few years it seems a mad choice.
Spoke to a number of mates, Norwich, Spurs fans etc all level headed blokes, all said why would Charlton take him?
I'm hoping it's just obvious speculation based on his relationship with the new owners. If they bring in Poyet (can't see him coming) or Hughton then that will show ambition.
You forgot that he was at the helm when they were relegated to League One. Granted, so was Parkinson. But Bates made Wise manager the previous August or September that season!
As an aside, some years ago when his name came up (possibly in connection with one of his misdemeanors) I posted that a friend of the family used to deal with Dennis Wise on a daily basis when he was playing and said that he was one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet. Until he'd had a drink...
I think we've all known people like that in our lives and maybe now he's a bti older and 'wiser' he's calmed that side down a bit too?
Still wouldn't be my choice for manager and if we are going to poach a manager off a promotion rival I think Howe is a far better, much cheaper and more realistic bet than Poyet.
Does anybody really think the club would bring in a guy that the fans dislike and would lower the attendances and season ticket sales significantly.
The answer to that is a big NO.
These are businessmen they are not going to alienate their customers.
For what it's worth i have no problem with Wise. He has a lot of contacts in the game is ( despite what people think) quite an intelligent man.
Horrible horrible man.
Soooooo NOT CHARLTON
Why would his mates Jimenez and Slater want him as manager is a different question.
His opening statement? "A right horrible little chunt." No surprises there then.
He said that at Leeds Wise basically established a siege mentality from the start and put himself and the squad against everyone else, hardly a recipe for long-term success.
Indeed he said that Wise should have kept Leeds up in 2007 but that Wise was forever picking fights with players in the team and disrupting everything, most notably Shaun Derry in the "leakgate" fixture against Palace, but also with Kevin Nicholls, one of our old boys.
Perhaps the most revealing insight is that he said, and this is from someone who knows LUFC inside out, that as soon as Poyet left Leeds that it became quite obvious that he had been the main man in terms of coaching the team and that when left by himself that Wise was proven to be wholly inadequate.
Can't believe that anyone on here is seriously thinking Wise would be a good appointment and believe you'll get Poyet!
As you've clearly again shown, Wise is not a manager. There are plenty of young talented managers about that'll do a better job and deserve the chance.
i dont think its wise i think its clarke
Wise seems to see himself as a scout / agent these days. In the end of the day, i can sense we're about to start moving in the right direction again and i'm afraid Sparrows that it's time to get back in the shade. Hope you've enjoyed lording it for the last year but it's over son. Your glass ceiling sits at about 3rd place in the Championship - ours is a bit higher than that, so step aside and you'll be able to resume your yo yo existence between divs 2 and 3, maybe with palace to keep you company. History suggestswe should always be at least 1 division above you two and a correction is about to occur. best you can hope for is that we don't take too many of your prize assets off you on the way up.
It will no doubt end up like that again one day...when I'm not so sure. Depending on how your new owners play this, you could be down there for a few years yet. Massive 2 weeks coming up for you lot, appointing the right man and getting some players in to launch a sustained promotion challenge or appoint the wrong money, splash cash on nothing and miss out on promotion with smaller crowds next season...do you have faith they'll get the right man?
agreed - its all about getting the right manager - no guarantees of course but i have a feeling we're due an upturn. (by the way - good response, for what my opinion's worth - i was anticipating a possible rant from you but fair play)
Dan your post was such a blatant wind up I wouldn't dream of giving you the rant you wanted!! ;-)
wind up, but true
If Wise has anything to do with charlton it will be a massive mistake, bigger than appointing Dowie or Pardew.
TO THE BOARD "ARE YOU LISTENING" !
Judging by this thread Wise must already be enjoying all the attention he is getting.
Hmmmm, is that JD?
Yes
I would prefer a trip of goats to Wise.