[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]He's a prick.
Blames other players, signs has beens or friends, tries to be the centre of attention, has a smarmy grin.
As a player he was very good for us at our level. As a manager he failed at the end of the day. Yes he was in charge of us when we reached the FA Cup Final, but we played teams we should be beating; he then blamed Harris in the final, waged a one man game against Keane & Scholes, picked his own son as the teams mascot and went out with one up front without an ounce of attacking spirit.
The team he left us with was playing awful football and was a woeful squad.
I really don't see him being the right man for you. He knows sod all about the lower leagues either.
Getting Millwall to their first ever cup final was a failure, what planet are you living on.
The reason Millwalls squad wasn't as good as you thought is your board sold your best players.
I am NOT saying Wise is the bloke for us but just stating his record isn't bad, he turned Leeds around from freefall and that was with all the Leeds fans totally against his appointment.
[cite]Posted By: StrikerFirmani[/cite]It's just the moral we have never done anything wrong bunch that moan about him as a bloke rather than focusing on his management of football teams.
Despite loads of people all over this thread (including a fan of a club he's managed) who give you rational football related reasons which show he's a bad manager whom nobody wants as manager.
Curbs------------i thought it was correct at time Dowie-----------------i thought it was wrong Pardew ---------------i thought it was right Parky --------------------i thought it was wrong
should have just tossed a coin----------hold on maybe thats what Muzzer did !
Am I allowed to ask that he is made manager for a day and gets locked in the dressing room with most of last night's squad? Purely for footballing reasons of course!
I think its Kenny Jacket herd he wants to manage the biggest team in South London and fed up with no one liking him.Mind you he reads the Daily Mail so probably rules him out.
Because he is a pygmy, forget all the criminal stuff he is not interested in football as football, he is purely interested in the financial side of it
And he has not done anything to shout home about as a manager in real terms (the run to the cup final was down to the most mentally easy cup run in history)
Have you looked at the teams we played on route to the FA Cup? All teams we would expect to beat. We'd already beaten Sunderland twice that season. I don't get all this "WIse took Millwall to the Final" like he is the one & only reason we reached it. I'd gamble that a lot of managers would've have taken us to the final with the route we had and the talent he inherited.
Once you actually look at the players he signed you get a better picture. In 2 years he spent over £1 MILLION on rubbish.
Jackett up to the start of this season had spent £460k in 3 seasons and turned a team fighting relegation to the 4th division into a team sitting in the top half of the 2nd division.
The difference between the two teams is staggering. Under Wise we played some of the worst stuff I've seen.
Look at these players HE signed: Chadwick, Dichio, John Sutton, Andy Marshall, Jody Morris, Stefan Moore, Josh Simpson, Adrian Serioux, Joe Tessem, Scott Dobie, Andy Impey.
On our sites Millwall fans are saying they'd piss themselves with laughter if you appointed Wise.
I don't think Swindon or Leeds or Newcastle fans have a great impression of him either.
Wise is too controversial for us. Too gimmicky and would be too much of a headline seeking appointment. That is presuming of course that the money was not given to Slater and company on condition that Wise was made manager. (Was last night's dreadful performance the teams reaction to PP going or deliberately to make sure that he got the sack??). Anyway, we need a reliable older head, not a midget hot head. Allardyce, Brown; someone who has been in managment a long time and had consistent successs.' someone who can do a bit of a Warnock. My choice?
J O H N S T I L L .. The Redbridge, not the Chelsea Dagger
[quote][cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]Stiker Firmini -
Have you looked at the teams we played on route to the FA Cup? All teams we would expect to beat. We'd already beaten Sunderland twice that season. I don't get all this "WIse took Millwall to the Final" like he is the one & only reason we reached it. I'd gamble that a lot of managers would've have taken us to the final with the route we had and the talent he inherited.
Once you actually look at the players he signed you get a better picture. In 2 years he spent over £1 MILLION on rubbish.
Jackett up to the start of this season had spent £460k in 3 seasons and turned a team fighting relegation to the 4th division into a team sitting in the top half of the 2nd division.
The difference between the two teams is staggering. Under Wise we played some of the worst stuff I've seen.
Look at these players HE signed: Chadwick, Dichio, John Sutton, Andy Marshall, Jody Morris, Stefan Moore, Josh Simpson, Adrian Serioux, Joe Tessem, Scott Dobie, Andy Impey.
On our sites Millwall fans are saying they'd piss themselves with laughter if you appointed Wise.
I don't think Swindon or Leeds or Newcastle fans have a great impression of him either.[/quote]
Thank You SLL, that just about confirms what I was already thinking. My family are Millwall and told me that he brought in some of the worst non-triers they had ever seen largely through his "connections" in the game.
Sparrows -- If you think Wise failed at your club then that is your prerogative. Opinions on players will always differ so that is another matter. I merely see his statistics and his record was better than Parky's for example.
Prague -- I don't know the guy so I am unable to judge apart from his management statistics at the various clubs. I am aware that yourself and some don't like him, again I am merely looking at his record which isn't that bad in football management. This club desperately needs the next manager who ever he is to be successful. Preferably there are other managers I would prefer over Wise but if he is to be the next boss all that matters to me is he turns this club around and gets us moving up. We have just had a couple of years of a nice guy but it still hasn't worked.
Anyone but Wise, do not have a concrete reason why other than I don't like him, the majority of fans would be adverse to him and one or two bad results and we would be back to threads like those after Brighton Home and last night.
We need a different character than Parky, Wise may be that but it is a massive No from me.
[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]Stiker Firmini -
Have you looked at the teams we played on route to the FA Cup? All teams we would expect to beat. We'd already beaten Sunderland twice that season. I don't get all this "WIse took Millwall to the Final" like he is the one & only reason we reached it. I'd gamble that a lot of managers would've have taken us to the final with the route we had and the talent he inherited.
Once you actually look at the players he signed you get a better picture. In 2 years he spent over £1 MILLION on rubbish.
Jackett up to the start of this season had spent £460k in 3 seasons and turned a team fighting relegation to the 4th division into a team sitting in the top half of the 2nd division.
The difference between the two teams is staggering. Under Wise we played some of the worst stuff I've seen.
Look at these players HE signed: Chadwick, Dichio, John Sutton, Andy Marshall, Jody Morris, Stefan Moore, Josh Simpson, Adrian Serioux, Joe Tessem, Scott Dobie, Andy Impey.
On our sites Millwall fans are saying they'd piss themselves with laughter if you appointed Wise.
I don't think Swindon or Leeds or Newcastle fans have a great impression of him either.
Dennis Wise has a greater win percentage as a manager than Kenny Jackett, how do you explain that?
Well I think that ANYONE would be better than Dennis Wise (w****r that he is), but I also feel that we can still do a lot better than Parky (but not if we don't have cash).
In footballing terms...if you take out the record as a footballer then would you hire him?
- walked out on Swindon - Millwall, see Sparrow Lane Lion's post above - Leeds, left admitting he was no longer motivated having failed to secure promotion. - Joined Newcastle 48 hours later where he sold players that Keegan had said were not for sale and signed players that Keegan didn't want, undermining the manager so severely that he left and in the process so alienating the fans that I doubt he'll ever go anywhere near Newcastle again without armed guards. The two players he signed no longer play for Newcastle (I think one is on their books, but is on loan) and he further admitted that he signed these players as a favour to an agent friend. Is that the type of guy we want to lead us to promotion? Or who will get us promoted?
There are much better mangers out there who have ability in management and a track record that suggests that they know what they are doing, in simple terms I don't think that Wise has the necessary man-management skills such as empathy to manage. His game as a footballer was built on confrontation, something he took with him off the park, and such characters rarely succeed in building players up. I can see after a few bad games instead of sitting down and trying to understand the players in his team and working out what makes them tick that he'd resort to sarcasm and threats and undermine them even further. Ironically he might actually unite our fractured dressing room, but it will be against him.
There are better candidates out there, and I think Wise knows full well that he can earn good money bag carrying and wheeling and dealing and appearing as a rent-an-exfootballer on Sky or whoever will pay him the most.
sparrows is trying too hard - he knows that wise can finish what he started at a bigger club like ours - when millwall pulled in 8000 for thenext home match after the fa cup fimal pathitis knew he was flogging a dead horse and wouldn't give wise any more money - i know plenty of millwall fans who accept he was good for them but they couldn't meet what he needed - same with swindon before he left for leeds - it was when he split with poyet that things turned sour which is why i think its important we get the pair of them.
I hate to be critical of the bloke who has got real ale into the Valley, but your argument has more holes in it than our three man defence against Swindon
Wise "started things" at two much bigger clubs than Charlton and got nowhere. Fans of both clubs wouldn't save their spit for him.
Poyet is doing just fine on his own without Denis Wise. Do you see Brighton all over Denis Wise like a rash, trying to get him in to help "identify talent"? No, Poyet seems to identify talent on his own just fine, thank you very much. Poyet would be great for us, but I cannot see why we'd be better for him than what he's got now.
We don't need Wise, neither it seems does anyone else in football.
I hate to be critical of the bloke who has got real ale into the Valley, but your argument has more holes in it than our three man defence against Swindon
Wise "started things" at two much bigger clubs than Charlton and got nowhere. Fans of both clubs wouldn't save their spit for him.
Poyet is doing just fine on his own without Denis Wise. Do you see Brighton all over Denis Wise like a rash, trying to get him in to help "identify talent"? No, Poyet seems to identify talent on his own just fine, thank you very much. Poyet would be great for us, but I cannot see why we'd be better for him than what he's got now.
We don't need Wise, neither it seems does anyone else in football.
I have asked a contact of mine who worked with Wise for about two years in a professional capacity to give me the inside story on him, I will revert to you tomorrow, I doubt that anything I tell you will surprise you greatly.
Doesn't inspire me at all. The way Millwall and Leeds fans talk about him convince me we can do better. Certainly love to have poyet but can't see that happening unless there really is a big pot of cash. Shame cardiff won last night or they might have panicked and dave jones would have been a good choice
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I think Sparrow Lane Lion has said all we need to know.
Getting Millwall to their first ever cup final was a failure, what planet are you living on.
The reason Millwalls squad wasn't as good as you thought is your board sold your best players.
I am NOT saying Wise is the bloke for us but just stating his record isn't bad, he turned Leeds around from freefall and that was with all the Leeds fans totally against his appointment.
Despite loads of people all over this thread (including a fan of a club he's managed) who give you rational football related reasons which show he's a bad manager whom nobody wants as manager.
Dowie-----------------i thought it was wrong
Pardew ---------------i thought it was right
Parky --------------------i thought it was wrong
should have just tossed a coin----------hold on maybe thats what Muzzer did !
could be a double bluff though
Wise was involved.
*Reliable source*
And he has not done anything to shout home about as a manager in real terms (the run to the cup final was down to the most mentally easy cup run in history)
Have you looked at the teams we played on route to the FA Cup? All teams we would expect to beat. We'd already beaten Sunderland twice that season. I don't get all this "WIse took Millwall to the Final" like he is the one & only reason we reached it. I'd gamble that a lot of managers would've have taken us to the final with the route we had and the talent he inherited.
Once you actually look at the players he signed you get a better picture. In 2 years he spent over £1 MILLION on rubbish.
Jackett up to the start of this season had spent £460k in 3 seasons and turned a team fighting relegation to the 4th division into a team sitting in the top half of the 2nd division.
The difference between the two teams is staggering. Under Wise we played some of the worst stuff I've seen.
Look at these players HE signed: Chadwick, Dichio, John Sutton, Andy Marshall, Jody Morris, Stefan Moore, Josh Simpson, Adrian Serioux, Joe Tessem, Scott Dobie, Andy Impey.
On our sites Millwall fans are saying they'd piss themselves with laughter if you appointed Wise.
I don't think Swindon or Leeds or Newcastle fans have a great impression of him either.
J O H N S T I L L .. The Redbridge, not the Chelsea Dagger
Have you looked at the teams we played on route to the FA Cup? All teams we would expect to beat. We'd already beaten Sunderland twice that season. I don't get all this "WIse took Millwall to the Final" like he is the one & only reason we reached it. I'd gamble that a lot of managers would've have taken us to the final with the route we had and the talent he inherited.
Once you actually look at the players he signed you get a better picture. In 2 years he spent over £1 MILLION on rubbish.
Jackett up to the start of this season had spent £460k in 3 seasons and turned a team fighting relegation to the 4th division into a team sitting in the top half of the 2nd division.
The difference between the two teams is staggering. Under Wise we played some of the worst stuff I've seen.
Look at these players HE signed: Chadwick, Dichio, John Sutton, Andy Marshall, Jody Morris, Stefan Moore, Josh Simpson, Adrian Serioux, Joe Tessem, Scott Dobie, Andy Impey.
On our sites Millwall fans are saying they'd piss themselves with laughter if you appointed Wise.
I don't think Swindon or Leeds or Newcastle fans have a great impression of him either.[/quote]
Thank You SLL, that just about confirms what I was already thinking. My family are Millwall and told me that he brought in some of the worst non-triers they had ever seen largely through his "connections" in the game.
The last three years will seem like a picnic, and Parky will be seen in the future with an awe akin to Curbs now.
There could not be a worse choice of manager.
Prague -- I don't know the guy so I am unable to judge apart from his management statistics at the various clubs. I am aware that yourself and some don't like him, again I am merely looking at his record which isn't that bad in football management. This club desperately needs the next manager who ever he is to be successful. Preferably there are other managers I would prefer over Wise but if he is to be the next boss all that matters to me is he turns this club around and gets us moving up. We have just had a couple of years of a nice guy but it still hasn't worked.
I have seen what he is capable of and disruption seems to be his biggest asset.
It will happen, I am sure and it will be catastrophic
Disliked by former clubs, indifferent league record, took his team to a cup final, high profile, wastes money, several off field allegations.
All sounds vaguely familiar, I'm sure we used to have someone like that and dont remember it ending that well.
It's a no from me thanks.
We need a different character than Parky, Wise may be that but it is a massive No from me.
Dennis Wise has a greater win percentage as a manager than Kenny Jackett, how do you explain that?
- walked out on Swindon
- Millwall, see Sparrow Lane Lion's post above
- Leeds, left admitting he was no longer motivated having failed to secure promotion.
- Joined Newcastle 48 hours later where he sold players that Keegan had said were not for sale and signed players that Keegan didn't want, undermining the manager so severely that he left and in the process so alienating the fans that I doubt he'll ever go anywhere near Newcastle again without armed guards. The two players he signed no longer play for Newcastle (I think one is on their books, but is on loan) and he further admitted that he signed these players as a favour to an agent friend. Is that the type of guy we want to lead us to promotion? Or who will get us promoted?
There are much better mangers out there who have ability in management and a track record that suggests that they know what they are doing, in simple terms I don't think that Wise has the necessary man-management skills such as empathy to manage. His game as a footballer was built on confrontation, something he took with him off the park, and such characters rarely succeed in building players up. I can see after a few bad games instead of sitting down and trying to understand the players in his team and working out what makes them tick that he'd resort to sarcasm and threats and undermine them even further. Ironically he might actually unite our fractured dressing room, but it will be against him.
There are better candidates out there, and I think Wise knows full well that he can earn good money bag carrying and wheeling and dealing and appearing as a rent-an-exfootballer on Sky or whoever will pay him the most.
I hate to be critical of the bloke who has got real ale into the Valley, but your argument has more holes in it than our three man defence against Swindon
Wise "started things" at two much bigger clubs than Charlton and got nowhere. Fans of both clubs wouldn't save their spit for him.
Poyet is doing just fine on his own without Denis Wise. Do you see Brighton all over Denis Wise like a rash, trying to get him in to help "identify talent"? No, Poyet seems to identify talent on his own just fine, thank you very much. Poyet would be great for us, but I cannot see why we'd be better for him than what he's got now.
We don't need Wise, neither it seems does anyone else in football.
I have asked a contact of mine who worked with Wise for about two years in a professional capacity to give me the inside story on him, I will revert to you tomorrow, I doubt that anything I tell you will surprise you greatly.
Shame cardiff won last night or they might have panicked and dave jones would have been a good choice