[cite]Posted By: coltsgoalie[/cite]just heard from a reliable source that the deal is to be done tomorrow but owners to remain unanimous dont know how true this is but as i said heard from reliable source
Owners are to remain unanimous? If I were them I'd remain anonymous.
But it's a consortium. So if they all agree to put 'x' in the box marked 'no publicity', they will be unanimously anonymous, won't they?
Anonymous owners would as far as I am concerned be unacceptable. It's my club and not an hour of any waking day do I not give them a thought. I want to know are they in safe hands and are they in acceptable to me hands. I really hope that this particular reliable source is wrong.
I was thinking. If we ate talking about people with big dough they might remain anonymous, to avoid inflated transfer fees etc when trying to buy players.
[cite]Posted By: superclive[/cite]I was thinking. If we ate talking about people with big dough they might remain anonymous, to avoid inflated transfer fees etc when trying to buy players.
And to avoid every game we play being a cup final for the opposition and their fans.
At this point the anonymity of any new owners is of course hypothetical but that prospect does seem extraordinarily odd to me. In order to remain anonymous surely they would not be able to attend matches otherwise eventually their identity would be discovered. If you own a football team I would want the owners to become emotionally attached to the club and I don't see why you would want to own a football club and for this not to happen unless of course the only reason you bought it was to make a quick buck. I don't want the latter do you ?
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Anonymous owners would as far as I am concerned be unacceptable. It's my club and not an hour of any waking day do I not give them a thought. I want to know are they in safe hands and are they in acceptable to me hands. I really hope that this particular reliable source is wrong.
Wow, the new owner is on Charlton Life already, how lucky is that?
[cite]Posted By: coltsgoalie[/cite]the deal will go through tomorrow
How do you know the deal will go through tomorrow? If someone has told you this how do you know if this is a windup or not?
I doubt anyone on this forum (Including myself) does not know what is going on behind closed doors except the people that are involved in the takeover and the Charlton board.
[quote][cite]Posted By: DiscoCAFC[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: coltsgoalie[/cite]the deal will go through tomorrow[/quote]
How do you know the deal will go through tomorrow? If someone has told you this how do you know if this is a windup or not?
I doubt anyone on this forum (Including myself) does not know what is going on behind closed doors except the people that are involved in the takeover and the Charlton board.[/quote]
[cite]Posted By: coltsgoalie[/cite]the deal will go through tomorrow
How do you know the deal will go through tomorrow? If someone has told you this how do you know if this is a windup or not?
I doubt anyone on this forum (Including myself) does not know what is going on behind closed doors except the people that are involved in the takeover and the Charlton board.
from source however i also have a gut feeling
"From source....."
Name them or are you a WUM/Troll ?
[cite]Posted By: coltsgoalie[/cite]the deal will go through tomorrow
How do you know the deal will go through tomorrow? If someone has told you this how do you know if this is a windup or not?
I doubt anyone on this forum (Including myself) does not know what is going on behind closed doors except the people that are involved in the takeover and the Charlton board.
I just wonder how many on here are throwing out suggestions renaming them as from a reliable source so in the off chance it actually happens they can actually say "I told you so". I believe someone on here actually does know who is involved and when it will happen and are probably quite right in keeping it to themselves. As long as whoever it is has the best intentions of the club at heart and it goes through soon then I really good not give a flying one at the moment.
Look, I have no idea about whether Wise is involved, but I am absolutely sure that if he is, absolutely no good can come of it. Here is why:
1. We need people with money. Wise doesnt have any. 2. If there is more money, we probably need a CEO. My dog is more qualified than Wise to be a CEO because my dog has at least seen some good ones being interviewed. 3. If Directors of Football were such a good idea in English football (they may work in other countries), most clubs would have them. 4. Denis Wise as a Director of Football is a failure anyway. That is why no other club seeks to offer him such a role. That is also why he needs to attach himself to richer people in order to get such a role. 5. References are always important. Wise's references from two of the most respected people in football Sir Alex Ferguson, and the late Sir Bobby Robson, are dire. It is most unwise to ignore bad references from good people.
I doubt that Tony Jiminez is very rich either, since his money was earned in property in Spain and Dubai.
[cite]Posted By: PragueAddick[/cite]Look, I have no idea about whether Wise is involved, but I am absolutely sure that if he is, absolutely no good can come of it. Here is why:
1. We need people with money. Wise doesnt have any.
2. If there is more money, we probably need a CEO. My dog is more qualified than Wise to be a CEO because my dog has at least seen some good ones being interviewed.
3. If Directors of Football were such a good idea in English football (they may work in other countries), most clubs would have them.
4. Denis Wise as a Director of Football is a failure anyway. That is why no other club seeks to offer such a role. That is also why he needs to attach himself to richer people in order to get such a role.
5. References are always important. Wise's references from two of the most respected people in football Sir Alex Ferguson, and the late Sir Bobby Robson, are dire. It is most unwise to ignore bad references from good people.
I doubt that Tony Jiminez is very rich either, since his money was earned in property in Spain and Dubai.
As you say Prague neither of these two have money enough to be involved in any capacity other than as brokers, intermediaries or advisors. That's how I see it anyway. Involvement now doesn't mean that they will have any future role once the deal is complete. Much like Varney is fronting the bid but has stated that he doesn't know if he will be involved later.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Involvement now doesn't mean that they will have any future role once the deal is complete.
Well, the problem is, why are people getting involved if only for the short term? In Peter Varney's case, the question does not need to be asked. In the case Wise and Jiminez, the uncomfortable answer is that they will be earning money as a result of getting involved. They have no other motivation. And then the important question will be, how exactly will they be earning that money, and where does it come from?
I think a lot of people on here are going over the top with the 'Wise' factor. Firstly we don't know whether he is involved. Secondly, as has been said before, would his influence be so bad? A quick look through the careers of Wise and Parkinson, as well as Curbs, shows that his managerial record stands up quite favourably. His win ratio is higher. As a player he succeeded more and played consistently at a higher level. Now good players don't always make good managers, but the point is he is an achiever. So I would say that if Wise is involved we should welcome him, find a role for him and see how gets on. He has a history of success and a natural passion for the game. Maybe these are qualities we can use to our advantage.
And a final thing. All those who were abusing Wise for the way he played the game. He was a passionate, hard working player. He was skilful and was essential to all the teams that he played in. I think sometimes a little of the image goes ahead of the true player. He could play.
[cite]Posted By: PragueAddick[/cite]5. References are always important. Wise's references from two of the most respected people in football Sir Alex Ferguson, and the late Sir Bobby Robson, are dire. It is most unwise to ignore bad references from good people.
Just to counteract that argument (not that im a lover of Dennis Wise) I do remember Alex Ferguson saying Pardew "had something about him"
[cite]Posted By: PragueAddick[/cite]5. References are always important. Wise's references from two of the most respected people in football Sir Alex Ferguson, and the late Sir Bobby Robson, are dire. It is most unwise to ignore bad references from good people.
Just to counteract that argument (not that im a lover of Dennis Wise) I do remember Alex Ferguson saying Pardew "had something about him"
With respect, you haven't answered my question. In the situation we are in, why do we need Dennis Wise?
We have a perfectly good manager in Phil Parkinson. Nobody in football seriously believes he is under achieving with the squad he's got. That would be Sheffiled Wednesday.
What we want is a new Board with money to invest, not some troublesome little oaf who wants to be involved with football but persuade anyone to give him a job.
[cite]Posted By: PragueAddick[/cite]5. References are always important. Wise's references from two of the most respected people in football Sir Alex Ferguson, and the late Sir Bobby Robson, are dire. It is most unwise to ignore bad references from good people.
Just to counteract that argument (not that im a lover of Dennis Wise) I do remember Alex Ferguson saying Pardew "had something about him"
That' perfectly true, unfortunately. But on the other hand find me a person of stature on football with a good word to say about Dennis Wise regarding his post-playing activities.
I wasn't saying we need Wise, but maybe there is no choice in the matter. If he is part of the package then so be it, I'd welcome him to the club in some role, as I think he has things to offer. Parkinson has done an above average job and I like him and it would be totally unfair for him to be given the boot. But if that is the way the new owners go then that is their decision and there are worse people than Wise to have involved. I think he could offer us a useful alternative.
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But it's a consortium. So if they all agree to put 'x' in the box marked 'no publicity', they will be unanimously anonymous, won't they?
RELIABLE SOURCE = A voice in ones head,a fallacy,complete tosh.
haha, same for 'the latest I've heard'
And to avoid every game we play being a cup final for the opposition and their fans.
Wow, the new owner is on Charlton Life already, how lucky is that?
How do you know the deal will go through tomorrow? If someone has told you this how do you know if this is a windup or not?
I doubt anyone on this forum (Including myself) does not know what is going on behind closed doors except the people that are involved in the takeover and the Charlton board.
How do you know the deal will go through tomorrow? If someone has told you this how do you know if this is a windup or not?
I doubt anyone on this forum (Including myself) does not know what is going on behind closed doors except the people that are involved in the takeover and the Charlton board.[/quote]
from source however i also have a gut feeling
"From source....."
Name them or are you a WUM/Troll ?
I reiterate
1. We need people with money. Wise doesnt have any.
2. If there is more money, we probably need a CEO. My dog is more qualified than Wise to be a CEO because my dog has at least seen some good ones being interviewed.
3. If Directors of Football were such a good idea in English football (they may work in other countries), most clubs would have them.
4. Denis Wise as a Director of Football is a failure anyway. That is why no other club seeks to offer him such a role. That is also why he needs to attach himself to richer people in order to get such a role.
5. References are always important. Wise's references from two of the most respected people in football Sir Alex Ferguson, and the late Sir Bobby Robson, are dire. It is most unwise to ignore bad references from good people.
I doubt that Tony Jiminez is very rich either, since his money was earned in property in Spain and Dubai.
As you say Prague neither of these two have money enough to be involved in any capacity other than as brokers, intermediaries or advisors. That's how I see it anyway. Involvement now doesn't mean that they will have any future role once the deal is complete. Much like Varney is fronting the bid but has stated that he doesn't know if he will be involved later.
Well, the problem is, why are people getting involved if only for the short term? In Peter Varney's case, the question does not need to be asked. In the case Wise and Jiminez, the uncomfortable answer is that they will be earning money as a result of getting involved. They have no other motivation. And then the important question will be, how exactly will they be earning that money, and where does it come from?
Let's hope these questions are just rhetorical...
Well if that isn't proof, I don't know what is.
The voice in my head is Pete Tosh, no relation
And a final thing. All those who were abusing Wise for the way he played the game. He was a passionate, hard working player. He was skilful and was essential to all the teams that he played in. I think sometimes a little of the image goes ahead of the true player. He could play.
So I'd welcome him to SE7.
Just to counteract that argument (not that im a lover of Dennis Wise) I do remember Alex Ferguson saying Pardew "had something about him"
He had something all right. ;-(
With respect, you haven't answered my question. In the situation we are in, why do we need Dennis Wise?
We have a perfectly good manager in Phil Parkinson. Nobody in football seriously believes he is under achieving with the squad he's got. That would be Sheffiled Wednesday.
What we want is a new Board with money to invest, not some troublesome little oaf who wants to be involved with football but persuade anyone to give him a job.
That' perfectly true, unfortunately. But on the other hand find me a person of stature on football with a good word to say about Dennis Wise regarding his post-playing activities.