[cite]Posted By: BigRedEvil[/cite]Ayinsah/Benson partnership when I've seen it doesn't work as it means Benson tries to win headers when he isn't built for that.
It had been working in the game after Brighton when we got it into their feet more, rather than trying to use Benson as a target man.
Agree about set pieces. We've taken some decent ones this season but recently they've been mostly poor.
[cite]Posted By: jazzyjazzyjazzy[/cite]Wasnt bad penalties really, their keeper was indeed spiderman
Jackson has shot both his last two penalties straight down the middle so it was obvious that the keeper just had to stand there and would save it. The other two were reasonable penalties though and fullmarks to the keeper
Agree about Jackson's penalty, predictable as his trademark is to thunder the ball straight down the middle, with no variation that would keep a keeper guessing. Credit to the keeper, who had done his homework.
The 2nd penalty appeared a very good save from a decently struck penalty. Keeper guessed right, did brilliantly.
The 3rd penalty the keeper clearly jumped forward off his line before the ball was struck. The laws of the game say he must not come forward off his line before the ball is struck. The keeper cheated.
But then most keepers do cheat when a penalty is taken, and referees seldom enforce this law of the game.
Imagine the ball not placed exactly on the spot or a rolling ball........would referees ignore that?
So what is the difference?
Encroachment is another issue seldom properly dealt with.
We kept a clean sheet, Brentford are the second mist firm team in the division, we were away. I'll take that as a positive. I'm really not that bothered about this competition as I'm away when the Final is played so for me this was a good evening.
We have avoided two more games that would have been real battles due to what was at stake, and that means that we can avoid another two episodes of three games in a week. We would probably have lost money staging the Semi-Final too, and there was n guarantee that we would have heaten Exeter - we have drawn and lost in our last two meatings with them.
A win on Saturday will remove any disappointment from the last week, and we might even spend Christmas in the top two again.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Anyinsah and Benson probably needed a rest.
I've been saying and thinking that some of these players need a rest and I'm glad Parky done that on the most part. He gave Francis a rest, replaced him with Jenkinson. No harm done there, no goals scored. He gave Wagstaff a rest, arguably our most important player. He gave Kyel Read game time, very important as he is one of our better players. Sure we lost but I think we will be better for it in the end for giving some players a go.
Wagstaff our most important player - what planet are you on?
He's been absolutely dire for the past few weeks. One position we need to strengthen in January, Martin has been awful in that position as well!
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]I actually think some of our players think they are better than they actually are. Trying clever passes and flicks, ambitious efforts etc.
If we just go back to basics, pass the way we're facing, pass to feet, run into space then there is enough qualify in the squad, in this league at least, to be successful.
Are we just trying too hard?
Agree with that. We weren't flat and lacking energy tonight, like on Sunday. In fact at times we were over frenetic.
There was just no skill, apart from a few runs by Reid. Nobody putting their foot on the ball and doing the calm, controlled, simple things in midfield (Racon and Semedo can be so frustrating sometimes). No shape. Nothing at all down one side, leaving Reid as the only outlet.
Martin ran about a lot, but with as much sense of purpose as the Duracell bunny. He contributed precisely nothing and I've lost patience with him. He can go back in January and I don't think we will miss him. He also looked thoroughly miserable tonight, in stark contrast to Reid who, despite being kicked repeatedly, looked to be enjoying himself.
As for Abbott, I don't know why he even bothered coming out for the second half.
I can understand where those who say it was better than Sunday are coming from. We huffed and puffed a bit more and showed a bit more energy. But frankly, it signified nothing and objectively it was really no better than Sunday in any meaningful way, except that Jenkinson and Dailly are clearly an improvement on Francis and Fortune.
Keepers do there homework when it comes to penalties. As soon as he stepped up i said the keeper would stay down the middle. Sometimes you have to mix it up. Reid & racons actually werent bad pens. Even when the keeper saved reidys, it span back & hit the most. They got a lot of silly calls from the ref. At least now we can concentrate on the league up until spurs
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]When Abbott held it up or flicked it on he had no support.
Yes, but if you've got five in midfield isn't that where Reid and Martin should be showing more?
I don't think Abbott held it up very well and his flick ons were few and far between, to be honest. But it's true that he was isolated.
You then have to ask why was that, though. The midfield knew in that formation it was their job to push up and make sure the traget man wasn't isolated. They just didn't do it.
Parky must be very frustrated because he obviously didn't tell them to leave Abbott unsuppported!
Disappointing and embarrassing. May provoke more thoughtful, solid down to earth play for a few games in response, thank god it was the matt undercoat trophy and not another league defeat. Glad Jenkinson sounds like a bright spark. I think (hope) that Dailly will exercise some influence on the team cos if we struggle against Luton and we can't beat Wallsall at home we will struggle against Hartlepool and if we go into Southampton and Brighton matches on the back of a run of defeats...oh shit I'm just depressing myself now.
typical charlton! doing their level best to lose every game up to the proposed takeover, to reassure our potential new investors that we're worth it ( not ). and don't give me that bollox about the league being more important, they should all be f**king important. f**king wankers from the manager down!
Positives - Jenkinson..thought he looked very decent. Reid...our only dangerous player. McCormack...thought he played pretty well from where i was standing. Dailly...thank god he's back.
Negatives - Martin...he's toilet. Abbott...knackered after 60 minutes after not doing a lot really.
Also, i hate to bring it up but im beginning to see why people moan about the little shits that we got following us now. The atmosphere we created was pretty good and there were some funny crowd moments and songs, but the shitbag that threw the can needs a slap. my mate called that little gang out and they shit themselves. they will get whats coming to them sooner or later and thats sad to say about your own supporters.
anyway, gutted to lose on pens but they had a couple of golden chances late on.......
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]When Abbott held it up or flicked it on he had no support.
Yes, but if you've got five in midfield isn't that where Reid and Martin should be showing more?
I don't think Abbott held it up very well and his flick ons were few and far between, to be honest. But it's true that he was isolated.
You then have to ask why was that, though. The midfield knew in that formation it was their job to push up and make sure the traget man wasn't isolated. They just didn't do it.
Parky must be very frustrated because he obviously didn't tell them to leave Abbott unsuppported!
I do agree on the first point. As you've said Martin had a poor game.
Reid caused problems but the crosses weren't quite right or no one got on the end of them.
If we were looking to play that formation more often I'd be more concerned.
Anyone who thought that an ok performance clearly has very low acceptance levels and that includes parky. Pretty much like the performance there in the league. Pretty much like a lot of the performances we have seen at home this season. A performance lacking any energy or spark and barely an effort on goal again. Must do a lot, lot better.
And why don't strikers take pens? Why were benson and anyinsah not at the front of the queue?
abbott is so unfit. not even 55 minutes gone and he stopped running channels, i was watching him. As soon as he did that we reverted to long central balls as our full-backs had no other real options.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]Anyone who thought that an ok performance clearly has very low acceptance levels and that includes parky. Pretty much like the performance there in the league. Pretty much like a lot of the performances we have seen at home this season. A performance lacking any energy or spark and barely an effort on goal again. Must do a lot, lot better.
And why don't strikers take pens? Why were benson and anyinsah not at the front of the queue?
I think there was a bit of energy out there tonight, Large. Certainly more than Sunday, anyway. It was the almost total lack of skill that concerned me (and before anyone says it, yes I know it's div three!)
But good point about the pens. I'd forgotten about that. But now you say it, I remember thinking when A & B came on and the clock was already running down , ''well at least we've got some pen takers on there now.'' Very odd.
So strikers who won't take penalties? No wonder why we don't have enough shots. Isn't that what they are paid for, scoring goals? I'd never buy a striker who isn't happy taking penalties.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]So strikers who won't take penalties? No wonder why we don't have enough shots. Isn't that what they are paid for, scoring goals? I'd never buy a striker who isn't happy taking penalties.
Correct.
Natural goalscorer who doesn't push others out of the way to take a pen? Give me a break.
thought we looked a lot more solid with MacCormack playing as part of a 5-man midfield, but again just didn't threaten their goal enough.
Knew we were'nt going to win when we started the game with our top 3 goalscorers (Waggy,Jackson & Benson) not in the starting 11...........Abbott isn't going to get more than 10 in a season if he plays every game.
Martin is a frustrating player - he has it all (pace,touch,vision etc) but somehow it just doesn't work,,,,,,,,,is there something else going on we don't know about ?
In the end, no real loss...........only the JPT and with the FA Cup & other likely postponements going further in this Comp would have meant playing 2 games a week from xmas to easter.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]When Abbott held it up or flicked it on he had no support.
Yes, but if you've got five in midfield isn't that where Reid and Martin should be showing more?
I don't think Abbott held it up very well and his flick ons were few and far between, to be honest. But it's true that he was isolated.
You then have to ask why was that, though. The midfield knew in that formation it was their job to push up and make sure the traget man wasn't isolated. They just didn't do it.
Parky must be very frustrated because he obviously didn't tell them to leave Abbott unsuppported!
It was 433 according to Parkinson. Maybe he forgot to tell the players.
Agree about the penalty takers. Strikers without the confidence to beat the keeper from 12 yards, one on one? Speaks volumes.
I think the only enjoyable thing about tonight was Parky's joke about our appeal for a refused penalty:
"From where I was stood I thought it was a penalty. But if we would have got one, Jacko would have driven it down the middle and he would have saved it, anyway."
Glad he hasn't lost his sense of humour. Now he needs to put a smile back on all our faces with a win at Hartlepool on Sat.
And Jacko needs to work on a plan b for his spot kicks in case we get a pen. up there. His secret is well and truly out and I don't think he can dare risk driving another one straight down the middle for the rest of the season!
[cite]Posted By: O-Randy-Hunt[/cite]Keepers do there homework when it comes to penalties. As soon as he stepped up i said the keeper would stay down the middle. Sometimes you have to mix it up. Reid & racons actually werent bad pens. Even when the keeper saved reidys, it span back & hit the most. They got a lot of silly calls from the ref. At least now we can concentrate on the league up until spurs
Reid was properly unlucky with his, hard to imagine a penalty like that been saved very often, was very disapointed with Jackson, think we all knew he would go down the middle, so was fairly inevitable Lee wouldn't move. he should have at least aimed it a bit higher instead of chest height, racon was a tad unlucky too, just a few more inches and he would have scored.
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Nobody missed a penalty: they were all saved. There is a big difference especially as all 3 were good penalties.
I dont agree with this. If no one missed a penalty then Charlton are through to the next round. There is no difference between a saved penalty and one that goes 10 yards over the bar, that result in the same outcome "no goal". You may as well hit the corner flag than have it saved. Really cant understand why the forwards weren't fighting to take them. Any forward that dont fancy a one on one with the keeper rooted to his line shouldn't be earning money at football it is shocking (ooops that should be on another thread). But saying a save aint the same as a miss is like saying Mooney scored 60 goals last season because the ones that got saved aint misses. And as far as i can remember if they aint misses they are goals.
Watching that absolute rubbish, just makes me fee for you lot... If that was an improvement on Sunday then my word Sunday must have been rough...
Any thoughts that this takeovr has shaken the team up.. certainly the results have shown that since Due diligence was announced we have lost 2 on the spin?
We were just unlucky that we ran into a keeper who was good at saving penalties
Was dailly down for the 5th cos he certainly got one of the best ones against swindon
Jackson was too obvious but hopefully he'll learn from that
A lot of the players look like our suspect coaching methods have turned them into poo , martin and abbott look a shadow of the players who appeared at the beginning of the season
Anyway of more pressing concern is my feelings on how we're shaping up after our good run and something just doesn't feel right , we have the players imo but have our management the ability to get the maximum out of them for the coming months
Sadly my previous confidence has ticked back a bit after recent pub league pub like performances, so as it stands now I see the automatics 5% playoffs 75% and 20% chance that we can hear "we're a third division team what do you expect" from our aim low accept we're shit bunch of loser fans
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Agree about set pieces. We've taken some decent ones this season but recently they've been mostly poor.
Agree about Jackson's penalty, predictable as his trademark is to thunder the ball straight down the middle, with no variation that would keep a keeper guessing. Credit to the keeper, who had done his homework.
The 2nd penalty appeared a very good save from a decently struck penalty. Keeper guessed right, did brilliantly.
The 3rd penalty the keeper clearly jumped forward off his line before the ball was struck. The laws of the game say he must not come forward off his line before the ball is struck. The keeper cheated.
But then most keepers do cheat when a penalty is taken, and referees seldom enforce this law of the game.
Imagine the ball not placed exactly on the spot or a rolling ball........would referees ignore that?
So what is the difference?
Encroachment is another issue seldom properly dealt with.
We have avoided two more games that would have been real battles due to what was at stake, and that means that we can avoid another two episodes of three games in a week. We would probably have lost money staging the Semi-Final too, and there was n guarantee that we would have heaten Exeter - we have drawn and lost in our last two meatings with them.
A win on Saturday will remove any disappointment from the last week, and we might even spend Christmas in the top two again.
Wagstaff our most important player - what planet are you on?
He's been absolutely dire for the past few weeks. One position we need to strengthen in January, Martin has been awful in that position as well!
Agree with that. We weren't flat and lacking energy tonight, like on Sunday. In fact at times we were over frenetic.
There was just no skill, apart from a few runs by Reid. Nobody putting their foot on the ball and doing the calm, controlled, simple things in midfield (Racon and Semedo can be so frustrating sometimes). No shape. Nothing at all down one side, leaving Reid as the only outlet.
Martin ran about a lot, but with as much sense of purpose as the Duracell bunny. He contributed precisely nothing and I've lost patience with him. He can go back in January and I don't think we will miss him. He also looked thoroughly miserable tonight, in stark contrast to Reid who, despite being kicked repeatedly, looked to be enjoying himself.
As for Abbott, I don't know why he even bothered coming out for the second half.
I can understand where those who say it was better than Sunday are coming from. We huffed and puffed a bit more and showed a bit more energy. But frankly, it signified nothing and objectively it was really no better than Sunday in any meaningful way, except that Jenkinson and Dailly are clearly an improvement on Francis and Fortune.
Balls
We will create more in a 4-4-2 as long as we play much better than we did against Walsall. I'm confident of that.
Yes we will (create more) and I can't believe that we will play as badly again for a while.
Yes, but if you've got five in midfield isn't that where Reid and Martin should be showing more?
I don't think Abbott held it up very well and his flick ons were few and far between, to be honest. But it's true that he was isolated.
You then have to ask why was that, though. The midfield knew in that formation it was their job to push up and make sure the traget man wasn't isolated. They just didn't do it.
Parky must be very frustrated because he obviously didn't tell them to leave Abbott unsuppported!
Positives - Jenkinson..thought he looked very decent. Reid...our only dangerous player. McCormack...thought he played pretty well from where i was standing. Dailly...thank god he's back.
Negatives - Martin...he's toilet. Abbott...knackered after 60 minutes after not doing a lot really.
Also, i hate to bring it up but im beginning to see why people moan about the little shits that we got following us now. The atmosphere we created was pretty good and there were some funny crowd moments and songs, but the shitbag that threw the can needs a slap. my mate called that little gang out and they shit themselves. they will get whats coming to them sooner or later and thats sad to say about your own supporters.
anyway, gutted to lose on pens but they had a couple of golden chances late on.......
Reid caused problems but the crosses weren't quite right or no one got on the end of them.
If we were looking to play that formation more often I'd be more concerned.
Very charitable of you, well played.
And why don't strikers take pens? Why were benson and anyinsah not at the front of the queue?
I think there was a bit of energy out there tonight, Large. Certainly more than Sunday, anyway. It was the almost total lack of skill that concerned me (and before anyone says it, yes I know it's div three!)
But good point about the pens. I'd forgotten about that. But now you say it, I remember thinking when A & B came on and the clock was already running down , ''well at least we've got some pen takers on there now.'' Very odd.
Correct.
Natural goalscorer who doesn't push others out of the way to take a pen? Give me a break.
Knew we were'nt going to win when we started the game with our top 3 goalscorers (Waggy,Jackson & Benson) not in the starting 11...........Abbott isn't going to get more than 10 in a season if he plays every game.
Martin is a frustrating player - he has it all (pace,touch,vision etc) but somehow it just doesn't work,,,,,,,,,is there something else going on we don't know about ?
In the end, no real loss...........only the JPT and with the FA Cup & other likely postponements going further in this Comp would have meant playing 2 games a week from xmas to easter.
It was 433 according to Parkinson. Maybe he forgot to tell the players.
Agree about the penalty takers. Strikers without the confidence to beat the keeper from 12 yards, one on one? Speaks volumes.
"From where I was stood I thought it was a penalty. But if we would have got one, Jacko would have driven it down the middle and he would have saved it, anyway."
Glad he hasn't lost his sense of humour. Now he needs to put a smile back on all our faces with a win at Hartlepool on Sat.
And Jacko needs to work on a plan b for his spot kicks in case we get a pen. up there. His secret is well and truly out and I don't think he can dare risk driving another one straight down the middle for the rest of the season!
Nobody missed a penalty: they were all saved. There is a big difference especially as all 3 were good penalties.
I dont agree with this. If no one missed a penalty then Charlton are through to the next round. There is no difference between a saved penalty and one that goes 10 yards over the bar, that result in the same outcome "no goal". You may as well hit the corner flag than have it saved. Really cant understand why the forwards weren't fighting to take them. Any forward that dont fancy a one on one with the keeper rooted to his line shouldn't be earning money at football it is shocking (ooops that should be on another thread). But saying a save aint the same as a miss is like saying Mooney scored 60 goals last season because the ones that got saved aint misses. And as far as i can remember if they aint misses they are goals.
Any thoughts that this takeovr has shaken the team up.. certainly the results have shown that since Due diligence was announced we have lost 2 on the spin?
Was dailly down for the 5th cos he certainly got one of the best ones against swindon
Jackson was too obvious but hopefully he'll learn from that
A lot of the players look like our suspect coaching methods have turned them into poo , martin and abbott look a shadow of the players who appeared at the beginning of the season
Anyway of more pressing concern is my feelings on how we're shaping up after our good run and something just doesn't feel right , we have the players imo but have our management the ability to get the maximum out of them for the coming months
Sadly my previous confidence has ticked back a bit after recent pub league pub like performances, so as it stands now I see the automatics 5% playoffs 75% and 20% chance that we can hear "we're a third division team what do you expect" from our aim low accept we're shit bunch of loser fans