So far (apart from Curbs of course) I haven't seen a single name that has made me feel confident that we'd be any better off than we are now. It's just so bloody grim.
[cite]Posted By: siblers[/cite]Coppell is the only one from that lot I'd want but he isn't exactly mr reliable. Southgate could be a good shout, even if he did relegate 'Boro.
TBF Boro were relegated because they were financially in the sh*t & Southgate over the years had to sell Yakubu, Viduka, JFH when he was still decent, Job etc etc.
Yeah, getting sacked with them 4th because of low crowd attendances was an absolute travesty. I severley doubt they'd be only a few positions above the relegation zone if he were still in charge.
There were nearly 19,000 in the Valley on Saturday and we have one of the best academies in the country. The club is under achieving big time.
This is a big opportunity for someone ambitious who wants to give the kids a chance and build for the future. I can't believe that Mr Murray has'nt already got a few back up options. I invest £17 plus petrol and burger in that complete drivel but he has millions tied up.
The budget is irrelevant. Offer peanuts with massive bonus for promotion.
[cite]Posted By: grumpyaddick[/cite]Why are we aiming so low?
There were nearly 19,000 in the Valley on Saturday and we have one of the best academies in the country. The club is under achieving big time.
This is a big opportunity for someone ambitious who wants to give the kids a chance and build for the future. I can't believe that Mr Murray has'nt already got a few back up options. I invest £17 plus petrol and burger in that complete drivel but he has millions tied up.
The budget is irrelevant. Offer peanuts with massive bonus for promotion.
[cite]Posted By: grumpyaddick[/cite]Why are we aiming so low?
There were nearly 19,000 in the Valley on Saturday and we have one of the best academies in the country. The club is under achieving big time.
This is a big opportunity for someone ambitious who wants to give the kids a chance and build for the future. I can't believe that Mr Murray has'nt already got a few back up options. I invest £17 plus petrol and burger in that complete drivel but he has millions tied up.
The budget is irrelevant. Offer peanuts with massive bonus for promotion.
Be bold Mr Murray. It's the last chance saloon.
Hoddle
Ince
Klinsman
Burley
Di Canio
Since he left Hearts, Burley has been pretty poor. Which seems kinda odd as he was a brilliant manager back in the day. Hoddle would be amazing.
Hoddle- rather Glenn Roeder, Hoddle is a egotistical bigot. His comments about the diabled make me sick even now. Ince- Would not object to him at all. Klinsmann- seriously? Burley- do you mean Palace manager? Di Canio- yes seems a fairly popular choice, we could do worse- perhaps worth a gamble.
Ok, so Klinsman and Burley are a bit left field and not as good as Lord Curbs anyway but the point is we already have mediocrity so lets not invest in any more.
What would it take to get the main man back even as emergency caretaker with Sir Chris (or someone) as understudy.
[cite]Posted By: grumpyaddick[/cite]Ok, so Klinsman and Burley are a bit left field and not as good as Lord Curbs anyway but the point is we already have mediocrity so lets not invest in any more.
What would it take to get the main man back even as emergency caretaker with Sir Chris (or someone) as understudy.
A miracle or a very large bag of cash. Neither of which are very likely.
In that order, all 3, still young managers with something to prove, have done well previously so we know they can do it, no guarantees of course. Also all 3 would have a presence around the club which we need right now it all feels a bit third rate.
Blackwell - Charlton fans love Kyel Reid, why go for a manager that wouldn't give him a chance at Sheff Utd? He won't get us playing good passing football will he?
Ince - just doesn't convince me.
Allen - again I'm not convinced. Do people just like his "passion" or is he known for good football, clever tactics etc?
Powell, Steve Brown etc - don't think now is the time to throw them in
Di Canio - who knows what would happen
Coleman, Southgate, Jewell, Mowbray and similar - will they drop down to League One? What sort of money would they want? Very different situation for them with our lack of finances and generally a League One squad, a lower standard than they've managed before in most cases
Coppell - in the past yes but not now, left Bristol City early on in the season. Surely doesn't want to manage again
No stand out managers to me. There's the right man somewhere and its not our job to find him of course, but it's clear to see why it won't be easy for Murray if he sacks Parky.
Unfortunately we aren't in the position to give someone like Powell time to learn and settle into the job. There are (understandably) big expectations here and pressure because of the finances. Smaller clubs are set up for this league and can gamble on young managers, if they end up bottom half they can give someone else a go.
Here the manager is expected to get results quickly, make a serious challenge for promotion, playing decent football along the way. We can do worse than Parkinson, just look at some of the ridiculous team selections and formations by Dowie (diamond with JFH at the top and two wingers who couldn't and wouldn't defend) later Reed (5-4-1 at Boro with no wingers) Not loads of examples but they weren't here long.
I feel like we are getting close to having to gamble on another change but I won't be surprised if it doesn't improve things much at all.
When did they last manage a club just out of interest?
Can imagine it already, if any of them got off to a bad start it wouldn't be long before people would be saying we needed someone who has managed clubs recently, not been out of the game for 5 years.
Coppell- I admire what he's done but it would never happen for so many reasons.
Di Canio- Life wouldn't be dull with him around but I'm not sure tbh.
Ince- I agree with those who say busted flush.
Coleman- Wouldn't say no.
Allen- Not convincing for me.
Jewell- He's had his moments may not be a bad shout either.
Curbishley- Do you mean the former West Ham manager who took them into the top half comfortably but wasn't deemed good enough by those well reknowned experts at Upton Park?? Never heard of him!!
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]When did they last manage a club just out of interest?
Can imagine it already, if any of them got off to a bad start it wouldn't be long before people would be saying we needed someone who has managed clubs recently, not been out of the game for 5 years.
Mick Hartford was caretaker manager at QPR this year and Manager of Luton last year.
Jo Kinnear was at Newcastle up until May last year.
Megson left Bolton last year.
Jim Smith was last a manager in 2008.
John gregory currently manages a team in Israel.
Colin Calderwood left forest at the beginning of 2009 and did a stint as caretaker manager of Newcastle just after.
A fit and healthy Joe Kinnear would be interesting. Sadly his health seems to intervene and he is forced to quit, I'd fear for his very existence if he had to manage Charlton!!
Sorry Have I missed a statement that Parky has been sacked? He hasnt Until he does get the boot wind your necks in and get over it Your ill informed wish lists are meaningless.
[cite]Posted By: Floyd Montana[/cite]Sorry
Have I missed a statement that Parky has been sacked?
He hasnt
Until he does get the boot wind your necks in and get over it
Your ill informed wish lists are meaningless.
Its called discussion . Its what this website is all about.
All of the managers mentioned have had enough experience in football to do a job.
Parkinson has done nothing at our club other than embarrassing it to its core.
18 games without a win
Relgating us
Losing to northwich
Failing to get us up
And now this shit.
I would have harry's bloody wife I reckon she could do his job better as well,
Failing
If that was aimed at me that's not what I'm saying at all.
My point is it's just wrong to assume all those managers would easily do a better job.
You could pick out the bad points in all those managers careers. Paul Jewell had what you'd call an equally embarrassing relegation season with Derby. And he's probably one of the better names on the list. They've all been sacked or resigned for a reason.
The way it's gone the last few years all I'm saying is don't assume
Parky is as bad as it gets. I did say the right man is out there, but it's not as obvious and simple to find him as some make it out.
That doesn't mean we should stick with Parky. Just with all our problems there are a lot of managers that would also struggle here. Rather than a long list who would all do a better job.
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There were nearly 19,000 in the Valley on Saturday and we have one of the best academies in the country. The club is under achieving big time.
This is a big opportunity for someone ambitious who wants to give the kids a chance and build for the future. I can't believe that Mr Murray has'nt already got a few back up options. I invest £17 plus petrol and burger in that complete drivel but he has millions tied up.
The budget is irrelevant. Offer peanuts with massive bonus for promotion.
Be bold Mr Murray. It's the last chance saloon.
Hoddle
Ince
Klinsman
Burley
Di Canio
Ince 45.8%
Blackwell 40.4%
Allen 39.8%
Jewell 39.1%
Coleman 32.4% (English clubs only)
Burley ??? are you sure
We need Lord Curbs.
Just beg him on bended knee and we will all chip in for the salary..
Whatever it takes.
Ince
Klinsman
Burley
Di Canio[/quote]
Hoddle- rather Glenn Roeder, Hoddle is a egotistical bigot. His comments about the diabled make me sick even now.
Ince- Would not object to him at all.
Klinsmann- seriously?
Burley- do you mean Palace manager?
Di Canio- yes seems a fairly popular choice, we could do worse- perhaps worth a gamble.
Glen Hoddle
Kevin Keegan
Graeme Souness
Gareth Southgate
Steve Coppell
What would it take to get the main man back even as emergency caretaker with Sir Chris (or someone) as understudy.
A miracle or a very large bag of cash. Neither of which are very likely.
DeSousa
Coleman
In that order, all 3, still young managers with something to prove, have done well previously so we know they can do it, no guarantees of course. Also all 3 would have a presence around the club which we need right now it all feels a bit third rate.
the openining post's very thin criteria for possible candidates disqualifies them anyway
We won't have anyone who has a perfect record, don't agree with people who say Allen he is a nut case and not even a good manager
change our name to barcelona?...seriously why would he wanna come back here!
Ince - just doesn't convince me.
Allen - again I'm not convinced. Do people just like his "passion" or is he known for good football, clever tactics etc?
Powell, Steve Brown etc - don't think now is the time to throw them in
Di Canio - who knows what would happen
Coleman, Southgate, Jewell, Mowbray and similar - will they drop down to League One? What sort of money would they want? Very different situation for them with our lack of finances and generally a League One squad, a lower standard than they've managed before in most cases
Coppell - in the past yes but not now, left Bristol City early on in the season. Surely doesn't want to manage again
No stand out managers to me. There's the right man somewhere and its not our job to find him of course, but it's clear to see why it won't be easy for Murray if he sacks Parky.
Unfortunately we aren't in the position to give someone like Powell time to learn and settle into the job. There are (understandably) big expectations here and pressure because of the finances. Smaller clubs are set up for this league and can gamble on young managers, if they end up bottom half they can give someone else a go.
Here the manager is expected to get results quickly, make a serious challenge for promotion, playing decent football along the way. We can do worse than Parkinson, just look at some of the ridiculous team selections and formations by Dowie (diamond with JFH at the top and two wingers who couldn't and wouldn't defend) later Reed (5-4-1 at Boro with no wingers) Not loads of examples but they weren't here long.
I feel like we are getting close to having to gamble on another change but I won't be surprised if it doesn't improve things much at all.
Joe Kinnear
Mick Hartford
Gary Megson
Colin Calderwood
John Gregory
Gerry Francis
Gianluca Vialli
Jim Smith
Can imagine it already, if any of them got off to a bad start it wouldn't be long before people would be saying we needed someone who has managed clubs recently, not been out of the game for 5 years.
Let's stick with pp .
All of the managers mentioned have had enough experience in football to do a job.
Parkinson has done nothing at our club other than embarrassing it to its core.
18 games without a win
Relgating us
Losing to northwich
Failing to get us up
And now this shit.
I would have harry's bloody wife I reckon she could do his job better as well,
Failing
Di Canio- Life wouldn't be dull with him around but I'm not sure tbh.
Ince- I agree with those who say busted flush.
Coleman- Wouldn't say no.
Allen- Not convincing for me.
Jewell- He's had his moments may not be a bad shout either.
Curbishley- Do you mean the former West Ham manager who took them into the top half comfortably but wasn't deemed good enough by those well reknowned experts at Upton Park?? Never heard of him!!
Mick Hartford was caretaker manager at QPR this year and Manager of Luton last year.
Jo Kinnear was at Newcastle up until May last year.
Megson left Bolton last year.
Jim Smith was last a manager in 2008.
John gregory currently manages a team in Israel.
Colin Calderwood left forest at the beginning of 2009 and did a stint as caretaker manager of Newcastle just after.
I take your point with Vialli and Francis ;-).
Have I missed a statement that Parky has been sacked?
He hasnt
Until he does get the boot wind your necks in and get over it
Your ill informed wish lists are meaningless.
Its called discussion . Its what this website is all about.
Your ill informed fantasy discussion is meaningless.
Is that adding to your version of discussion?
yeah your right lets all shut up.......
My point is it's just wrong to assume all those managers would easily do a better job.
You could pick out the bad points in all those managers careers. Paul Jewell had what you'd call an equally embarrassing relegation season with Derby. And he's probably one of the better names on the list. They've all been sacked or resigned for a reason.
The way it's gone the last few years all I'm saying is don't assume
Parky is as bad as it gets. I did say the right man is out there, but it's not as obvious and simple to find him as some make it out.
That doesn't mean we should stick with Parky. Just with all our problems there are a lot of managers that would also struggle here. Rather than a long list who would all do a better job.