Today some people around me was frustrated at Jonjo not getting a goal out of his numerous chances but if you was one of them yes he didn't score them BUT he got into the positions for them and got the chances. Today was an off day for the lad of 18 years old and on another day he would off scored them but when was the last time we played and got that many chances on and off target! Start him in todays position against soton and give him a chance, he lacks experience and hasn't played recently but we all know he can hit the back of the net!
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Good post.
We do create more chances with Shelvey in the side and on another day we will hopefully convert more of them!
I'd like to see Shelvey and Mooney play together because their footballing intelligence is as good as most I've seen in this division and even a good few sides in the league above.
Credit to him he got himself into some great positions and never gave up.
spot on not match sharp anyone crticsing him at a match is a complete word we have been asked not to use on here
Totally agree, I would put it down to lack of match fitness/sharpness not a lack of ability. If he gets a chance like that next week I'd back him to score. What I would say though is if Mooney had missed those chances he would have been slaughtered by the fans and no one would be saying "yes he didn't score them BUT he got into the positions for them and got the chances."
He's better with Burton in my opinion, but he put in a good shift today.
Could not disagree more. Given the run of play the last few months, any Charlton player that can get into positions that create the opportunity to score will get heralded -- even if his name were Dickson, Fleetwood, or Izale.
People around me were disappointed and frustrated for Shelvey more than by him. We all wanted him to get that goal. He had a good performance I thought. Had a touch of class about him, especially in the first half and nearly everything good went through him. If he got a goal it would've been a very good performance, but I'm happy with how he played and would be happy with him starting against Southampton.
My favourite comment of the day was.. "we were like an anorexic in a bacon sandwich factory, we couldn't finish anything!"
As said if Mooney had given that sort of performance he would've been slaughtered
I would start him next game but not up top where he seemed to be playing yesterday as he is not a striker, also dont feel he can play of the striker. we need to start using him in his best position, next game i'd go for Semedo & shelvey in the centre but it probably wont happen
3 points, job done is all the positves and negatives we need to hear
One thing that made me laugh though is when Mooney misses chances like the one's Jonjo missed he's the worst player ever to wear a Charlton shirt? I just wish everyone could get behind the whole team especially now in the run in.
As all of us forwards know, there's some games when you're just faited not to score...another time another day and the back of the net would have bulged.
He's a professional football player - age doesn't come into it. If he's on the pitch then he is there because the manager thinks he's good enough to be there, whether he's 18 or 38.
more.
Seems he was told to not drop deep too much as he usually would naturally. Instead he probably had to give Forster plenty of support.
Spot on.
People are taking the time to look at Shelvey and giving him the benefit of the doubt after considering the whole picture after what was IMHO a less than impressive game where he missed some good chances and made a few wrong decisions. Glad to read it.
But other players, and it's Mooney now but could have been McLeod or Akpo, would be getting caned for those misses and level of play.
Why not just look at what a player does in the whole game and forget the name of the back of the shirt and judge on that. Shelvey has most likely played a similar if not more league games than Mooney. Why do so few cut him any slack?
Massively disagree with that. Part of having a long term vision for a club is to nurture young players. Anyone who expects an 18 year old to be the finished articles is a complete word we have been asked not to use on here. Giving Jonjo game time now will benefit us in the long run.
Also I think Racon was basically non existent yesterday which meant Jonjo had no link to the midfield (which I assume Racon was supposed to provide ?). I hope JJ keeps his palce for Saints, although that miss was a shocker !!!
It probably cost us our Prem spot and we have years in the doldrums now to reflect on it.
I don't care how old anyone is or their playing history - the point is, we cannot miss too many chances. IF Carlisle had equalised today we could have another season in L1 and Shelvey would be gone, along with a few other quality players. Yes, it's a big IF - but it has happened several times already this season.
Parky has not been using Shelvey - I guess that's because he does not warrant a place in the team (i.e. not good enough), and IMHO he did nothing against Carlisle to enhance his reputation.
He is an 18 year old former trainee, that sometimes gets in the first team of a club that is in the playoff zone of the 3rd tier, and who has "supposedly" been the subject of a huge bid by a Premiership club. I'm afraid that's the bear truth.
By contrast, Steve Morison is 26 and has 17 goals so far, to add to the 68 he got last season and the 28 prior to that (both in non-league).
Grant Holt and Rickie Lambert are 28 and their stats are well documented . This is also the bear truth.
Would you rather have either of these 3 guys than Jonjo ?