just come clean parky and admit that shelvy has already been sold and that your hands are tied in that you aren't allowed to play him anymore and are a little bit desperate so the fans are an easy target for distract what's going on as you don't really know how to motivate the squad yourself.
I know, but there's always an underlying tone of a collective shrug of shoulders at The Valley, like 'not my fault'. I've sat through the last 4 seasons of this.
if he thinks that then he has his head buried in the sand. Results have been poor for months. 3 wins in 13 games, Millwall have caught up 18 points in barely two months, leaking goals, unable to score etc etc. It isn't because of one game however bad the result.
I think he has listened to many Alan Pardew interviews, he has to look at the results over the past four months, the oppertunities in which have been wasted to catch Leeds, and more importantly what will happen to our clb if we fail to get promotion this season, if we are skint this year god help us over the next two to three seasons
He's right...the Millwall result did bring out the boo boys but the boo boys have also watched the past 3 months of abject performances and that was the straw that broke the camels back.
That said, booing that 2nd half performance just made the boo boys look like idiots.
Does anyone have figures of how much Colchester and Huddersfield have spent. We all know Southampton spent a load but i don't recall the other sides making lots of expensive signings?
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]Does anyone have figures of how much Colchester and Huddersfield have spent. We all know Southampton spent a load but i don't recall the other sides making lots of expensive signings?
Just noticed on there Southampton signed a player from Eastleigh. Pardew still loves a gamble on a non-league player. No harm in that but surely they have such a big squad and plenty of money they don't need to gamble like that?
"He went on to say that the type of support offered by the fans for their remaining home games could help to determine where Charlton finish in the league come May"
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]Does anyone have figures of how much Colchester and Huddersfield have spent. We all know Southampton spent a load but i don't recall the other sides making lots of expensive signings?
I think the moment you start to criticise the fans and play the “I’ve had no money card” (which is massively untrue – we have the second highest wage bill in the division) you’re on a slippery slope. Starting to sound like a desperate man clutching at straws.
[cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]I think the moment you start to criticise the fans and play the “I’ve had no money card” (which is massively untrue – we have the second highest wage bill in the division) you’re on a slippery slope. Starting to sound like a desperate man clutching at straws.
exactly, I said after the Millwall game that it's my belief he'll be gone in the summer (even if we go up) and I stand by that.
He won't go if we stay down, he got a contract extension so has another year to go. If we stay down maybe, but I think he'll be here either way unless we are taken over. People were saying similar things last season and he didn't go in the end.
[cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]I think the moment you start to criticise the fans and play the “I’ve had no money card” (which is massively untrue – we have the second highest wage bill in the division) you’re on a slippery slope. Starting to sound like a desperate man clutching at straws.
True we do have a big wage bill, but much of it is on players we already had. We managed to keep them but he's not had big wages to attract new players, just enough money to keep players here. If we didn't keep them they'd all need replacing, we'd have had a completely new team, so keeping the high wage bill was the option we had to take.
But if they had sold all the players and then said - "here's 10% of the funds" then I'd understand. But as it happens, the board pumped in alot of their own money (£7m right ?) to let the manager keep the majority of the Championship squad knowing full well that we wouldn't have been able to get players of similar quality - so he has been backed financially and I feel it's quite ungratefull for him to claim otherwise.
And when he was given money he spent it on Mat Spring !!
I think his point was more that we're third, could still be promoted automatically (as unlikely as it seems), and our strikers (Mooney in particular, Akpo a bit) have been booed and got some abuse, but he can't go out and buy a proven striker. He can't even gamble on someone from non-league for £100k. Fans are moaning about strikers more than any other position, and he knows exactly what he could spend and who he could and couldn't sign. He's just frustrated like the fans are.
[cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]So if they hadn't put that money in then we would have to have sold Bailey/Shelvy/Any other player that could fetch a fee ?
Yes though that wouldn't have got us anywhere near the £7m needed, left us without a midfield and too much work to do to build a team in that could go straight back up.
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]Does anyone have figures of how much Colchester and Huddersfield have spent. We all know Southampton spent a load but i don't recall the other sides making lots of expensive signings?
Doesn't look like either side spent a fortune there then
Look at the 'in' list for Charlton. There's a load of players missing from that - Dailly, Richardson, Llera, S Sodje, McKenzie for starters. Given the amount that are missing in our list, I think it's safe enough to assume there are a few missing from the Huddersfield and Colchester lists.
I know Huddersfield spent big in the summer. They were the big spenders before Southampton came along, and beat a few other League 1 clubs in the transfer market a few times. They spent so much that their fans did genuinely expect playoffs at a minimum and thought they could win the league.
Colchester I'm not sure about. I don't remember them spending big, but I know they have been one of the biggest spenders in League 1. Where they get the money from is a mystery, but I know they've spent a lot. I don't think they're on the same level as Huddersfield, Southampton or Norwich, but still a fair amount.
Peter Clarke was the one that we were after and they beat us on wages, right?
There were plenty of clubs looking at Jordan Rhodes. Wonder how much they paid Ipswich.
Don't know much about the other ones, except what they've done at Huddersfield, really. Loans from Man Utd and Liverpool. I wonder what sort of wages those are getting from Huddersfield
Peter Clarke wanted to move back north I think, he used to be at Everton.
Loans from Man Utd and Liverpool is interesting, different route than the way we've gone, older players in Championship reserve sides. Do think that's fine for full backs but for strikers I wonder if we should have considered a reserve at say Spurs, Arsenal or somewhere.
How do we think Murray and the board feel about these comments? I recognise he has a right to defend himself, but arent these comments a little ill-advised in a period where its make or break for keeping decent attendances next season - can he really not see how poor the football has been from where hes standing? He can have my seat for a few games if he wants. Also in the sense of placing the blame on the financial constraints?
Well, he has lost my backing for what its worth....he sounds just like Pardew.....it comes to something when I dont feel like going anymore......Phil, if youre reading this, which I doubt, but anyway, if you are,,,,,you have the second or third largest wages bill in the Division. We (and you might want to relate this to the overpaid toerags in the squad who no doubt havent noticed as they spend more time worrying about what to spend their money on than they do about playing the game) are in a recession...we work hard to hold onto our jobs, we pay damn good money to come and watch our club, and we get disinterested looking players run around a field being shown up by players who earn a darn sight less than your squad of primadonnas...is it any wonder we get hacked off and some people have the audacity to let you know by booing? If this was a west end play, it would be taken off, we want to be entertained, I dont want to come away thinking...I dont think I'll bother with Huddersfield and MK as Im sure I can find something to do that doesnt spoil my weekend. Get real man, stop making Pardewesque excuses and get that lot playing organised football....and then the support will rise to the occasion...no doubts about that, but if you dont, then sit down and shut up man...
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That said, booing that 2nd half performance just made the boo boys look like idiots.
Just noticed on there Southampton signed a player from Eastleigh. Pardew still loves a gamble on a non-league player. No harm in that but surely they have such a big squad and plenty of money they don't need to gamble like that?
So you all have been warned
Doesn't look like either side spent a fortune there then
exactly, I said after the Millwall game that it's my belief he'll be gone in the summer (even if we go up) and I stand by that.
True we do have a big wage bill, but much of it is on players we already had. We managed to keep them but he's not had big wages to attract new players, just enough money to keep players here. If we didn't keep them they'd all need replacing, we'd have had a completely new team, so keeping the high wage bill was the option we had to take.
And when he was given money he spent it on Mat Spring !!
Look at the 'in' list for Charlton. There's a load of players missing from that - Dailly, Richardson, Llera, S Sodje, McKenzie for starters. Given the amount that are missing in our list, I think it's safe enough to assume there are a few missing from the Huddersfield and Colchester lists.
I know Huddersfield spent big in the summer. They were the big spenders before Southampton came along, and beat a few other League 1 clubs in the transfer market a few times. They spent so much that their fans did genuinely expect playoffs at a minimum and thought they could win the league.
Colchester I'm not sure about. I don't remember them spending big, but I know they have been one of the biggest spenders in League 1. Where they get the money from is a mystery, but I know they've spent a lot. I don't think they're on the same level as Huddersfield, Southampton or Norwich, but still a fair amount.
So all the talk of Parky's wage bill is something of a red herring.
How is someone like Frazer Richardson going to feed his whippet living down here if he doesn't earn more than he did oop North?
Parky is right. If we want to make a go of challenging for promotion then as fans we must get behind the players.
I honestly think a lot of our fans get a perverse pleasure when we fail.
Unfortunately you're not the only one getting that feeling.
Good point about London wages, one of those things easily forgotten/not considered.
There were plenty of clubs looking at Jordan Rhodes. Wonder how much they paid Ipswich.
Don't know much about the other ones, except what they've done at Huddersfield, really. Loans from Man Utd and Liverpool. I wonder what sort of wages those are getting from Huddersfield
Loans from Man Utd and Liverpool is interesting, different route than the way we've gone, older players in Championship reserve sides. Do think that's fine for full backs but for strikers I wonder if we should have considered a reserve at say Spurs, Arsenal or somewhere.