Wouldnt care if the spanners win every single one of their final few games. They are the form side. I dont want them in the playoffs. Dont think we have it in us to go on a similar run.
[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]buckshee, the team cost next to sod all to assemble
Forde - free
Dunne - youth
Robinson - youth
Ward - loan
Craig - youth, sold to palace for 150k then signed back for free :-)
Schofield - free
Abdou - free i think
Trotter - loan
Hackett - undisclosed
Harris - free
Morison - 130k
So, er, 130k basically, don't think Hackett cost much at all.
that can't be right because parky said - "They need to look at how much money teams like Huddersfield Town, Colchester United and Millwall have spent compared to us. We've pieced our team together with loan players and free transfers and they're going very well and fighting for that second spot.”
Millwall did very well tonight - they clearly want it more than anyone at the moment. But Leeds were shocking, 2nd place is there to be taken - so ffs phil get them out there and giving everything theyve got to win every game we have left, and we could make it.
Millwall's wage bill is around £3.1m compared to our £5.7m (not counting Moo2 or McLeod)
Leeds wage bill is bigger IIRC than ours and Norwich slightly less although both have bought players recently so added to that bill.
So Parky is right when he says that other sides have had more to spend on fees as they have but he's had more to spend on wages albeit some of it on people like Moo2 who didn't sign and if he had his way would be nowhere near the club let alone the side. And if you can't pay a fee you end up losing players that you wanted and might have been very close to signing to the likes of Leeds and Soton.
Also Ward was a loan but now a permanent deal.
The only straw to cling to at the moment is that Leeds and Millwall both know how to lose a play-off and we haven't had that pleasure recently.
Just remember that plenty of people on here were saying "Leeds are gone and can't be caught and anyone who says they can be caught is mad" and "it's a three horse race" only a few weeks ago.
Not looking great right now but plenty of football to be played yet and as we have seen things can change.
[cite]Posted By: Clem_Snide[/cite]Dont think we have it in us to go on a similar run.
Like we did at the beginning of the season - or even in about 7 or 8 matches before Xmas.
You just never know.
But cast your mind back to what turned out to be an eventful season in 1997-98.
After Christmas we were really inconsistant, drawing at home to a ragged QPR side (with Iain Dowie playing) and struggled lamely to a 0-0 draw with relegation bound Bury at The Valley.
Curbs OUT! grunted the impatient crowd - you don't know what you're doing!
So nothing new under the sun there.
Then we won 8 matches on the trot, sometimes not playing particularly well but nicking the result.
Combined with a 0-0 in the last match of the season, we finished 4th, playoffs, Wembley-and the rest as they say, is history.
Must admit that the Millwall budget stats - if true - make Parky's comment look dumb.
The more I've thought about this, the more I've come to the view that the remark was preparing us for failure. Richard Murray told him a few weeks ago that not getting promoted was unthinkable. Is Parky getting his retaliation in first and telling the board that another season in div three will be their fault?
Really doesn't bode well when the manager starts attacking the fans and sending coded messages to the board. Where does that leave the players - who have effectively been told by their manager that they're not here because they're great footballers but because we can't afford anyone better?
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]Must admit that the Millwall budget stats - if true - make Parky's comment look dumb.
The more I've thought about this, the more I've come to the view that the remark was preparing us for failure. Richard Murray told him a few weeks ago that not getting promoted was unthinkable. Is Parky getting his retaliation in first and telling the board that another season in div three will be their fault?
Really doesn't bode well when the manager starts attacking the fans and sending coded messages to the board. Where does that leave the players - who have effectively been told by their manager that they're not here because they're great footballers but because we can't afford anyone better?
"imperative" not "unthinkable".
Personally I didn't read any "coded messages" just one very frustrated manager seeing his more than capable squad of players throwing away another two points (and another two player go down to potential serious injuries) and then speaking his mind in the press conference.
Whether you agree with him, like him or hate him it was hardly "coded" or anything similar.
Well imperative is even stronger than unthinkable.
It's a command and means obligatory, doesn't it?
And coded or not, I'm pretty sure Parky knew exactly what he was saying and how it would play in the boardroom. Despite his 'I'm just a regular guy getting on with the job' image, the guy has learned to become a skilled politician with highly attuned survival skills.
And good luck to him. Absolutely essential qualities in a modern football manager.
Remember, we've been down here for a few years now, flirted with relegation to the 4th division, if you don't bounce back quickly it takes a while to alter and tinker the team with freebies, loans, youth players and non league gems, to get you promoted again.
For teams like ourselves who haven't the luxury of spending big money, a la Southampton, it takes a while to build a TEAM again. Leeds are probably a year behind us with regards to building a "team", they just have more individually good players that are keeping them up there.
You're just starting the process. If you don't bounce back up this year (which you still might), be prepared for a few years of blending a team again, adding and taking away, getting that mix of young and old, fresh and experienced.
Looking at your team, with the likes of Burton, Dailly etc, you'd almost be better off clearing the dead wood, the prima donnas, the players who ain't pulling their weight, spending a year or two more in this league and then once you've put a proper TEAM together again, get back and then you'll be much better prepared for the 2nd division, rather than going straight up now and still being in limbo with a mixed squad.
Leeds looked dreadful, Millwall looked like they're going up. Morison is the best striker i've seen (performance-wise against us) this season. With him scoring goals and a relatively easy run in, they could well get 2nd. I think the only top sides left for them are Colchester away and Swindon at home. Swindon at home is their last game and i wouldn't fancy being a Swindon player/supporter if Millwall need a win to go up on the last day.
I know we still have a chance but realistically i think we've dropped too many points against mediocre opposition this season and that will cost us. I just hope we can finish 3rd or 4th and then the 2nd leg of the play off will be at home.
Just got this off WACCOE (Leeds site) and it pretty much sums us up at the moment as well.
"Its truly ****ing shocking what an absolute shambles this team has become, no leadership, no passion & no ****ing idea. We aint up for it when playing the poor teams and can't even get up for the big games. When it ****ing goes wrong there's never a reaction .... nothing, the tempo at the start of games is akin to a gentle trot and rarely gets above that."
it's all set up for us to get millwall promoted by drawing with leeds second last game of the season and in doing so making ourselves unable to reach the play offs .........
[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]buckshee, the team cost next to sod all to assemble
So, er, 130k basically, don't think Hackett cost much at all.
And 14 years. Oooahh and his downer mates don't have the bottle for that.
[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]buckshee, the team cost next to sod all to assemble
So, er, 130k basically, don't think Hackett cost much at all.
And 14 years. Oooahh and his downer mates don't have the bottle for that.
I'm glad it wasn't just me that found Parkys comments regarding the money spent a little strange .
It's not just how much the players cost it's about wages and even though HE hasn't had much to spend he did inherit a set of players which should be more than capable of pulling us out of this division. I can only hope that our early season form was due to the good weather and it will improve again once the sun is out.
you know it , I know it but you will still get people on here with their rose tinted specs that they are still wearing from our first season out of the premiership.Morison is everything you want in a centre forward pace and power,unfortunately we are missing this type of player.
I never thought I would ever hear myself say this - but I'm going to anyway:
I wish Charlton would just play like Millwall did last night - there was passion, there was fight, and there was belief.
This needs to be drummed into our players for the last run in of the season - Where ever we finish, if the team play like they have Passion, Fight and Belief then at least they have shown they care.
I want so badly to feel proud of the team again - and not walking out of the Valley or Away ground feeling like I've just been beaten up by the 11 players on the pitch. (Some exceptions)
I know this is "All part and parcel of being a Charlton Fan" I've been around long enough to know that. But is it too much to ask for 11 grown men, on wages per week that some people could only ever dream about, go out give 110% every single game.
I wonder how much Darren Ward is on, because we must have tried to sign him in the summer? Surely we'd have gone for him over Llera or before going for Dailly if he was cheap enough?
[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]
Looking at your team, with the likes of Burton, Dailly etc, you'd almost be better off clearing the dead wood, the prima donnas, the players who ain't pulling their weight, spending a year or two more in this league and then once you've put a proper TEAM together again, get back and then you'll be much better prepared for the 2nd division, rather than going straight up now and still being in limbo with a mixed squad.
Agree with the general point that if we don't go up we'll have to build a team, but should point out that Burton has been one of our best players. Very important to us and would look even better next to a goalscorer.
Prima donnas aren't a problem here, Burton and Dailly certainly aren't deadwood. Dailly started the season very well but seems to be declining, might have to replace him next season but we've got bigger weaknesses in our team than Dailly.
Is it so simple as to be just a case of drumming in passion and fight etc. etc. and turn round performances? Surely a big part of it is all about confidence, the weight of expectations and momentum.
In the first half of the season it looked to some like Leeds and ourselves were strolling to the top two places, but now the weight of expectation on two "big" clubs has become a burden and fear of failure has struck both teams - imho neither is likely to fully recover and finish strong; if Millwall and/or one of the other teams finish strong then they will finish above us.
The best hope for us and Leeds might be to meet each other in the play-off finals - I reckon the fear of failure at Wembley could be too much for either team when playing against a team unencumbered by such worries.
Millwall looked strong and had "that look" about them. There is still the possibility that we will rise to the occasion in the remaining big home games, maybe because our expectations wont be as high as they would be against a gillingham, stockport or tranmere things might just go our way and the players might take the opposition a bit more seriously like they should have done in every game
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]you know it , I know it but you will still get people on here with their rose tinted specs that they are still wearing from our first season out of the premiership.Morison is everything you want in a centre forward pace and power,unfortunately we are missing this type of player.
Agreed but he also had a touch to go with it we've had pace and power in mcleod and Akpo but when you trap or keep control of a ball you have nada chance!!
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that can't be right because parky said - "They need to look at how much money teams like Huddersfield Town, Colchester United and Millwall have spent compared to us. We've pieced our team together with loan players and free transfers and they're going very well and fighting for that second spot.”
Leeds wage bill is bigger IIRC than ours and Norwich slightly less although both have bought players recently so added to that bill.
So Parky is right when he says that other sides have had more to spend on fees as they have but he's had more to spend on wages albeit some of it on people like Moo2 who didn't sign and if he had his way would be nowhere near the club let alone the side. And if you can't pay a fee you end up losing players that you wanted and might have been very close to signing to the likes of Leeds and Soton.
Also Ward was a loan but now a permanent deal.
The only straw to cling to at the moment is that Leeds and Millwall both know how to lose a play-off and we haven't had that pleasure recently.
Just remember that plenty of people on here were saying "Leeds are gone and can't be caught and anyone who says they can be caught is mad" and "it's a three horse race" only a few weeks ago.
Not looking great right now but plenty of football to be played yet and as we have seen things can change.
Like we did at the beginning of the season - or even in about 7 or 8 matches before Xmas.
You just never know.
But cast your mind back to what turned out to be an eventful season in 1997-98.
After Christmas we were really inconsistant, drawing at home to a ragged QPR side (with Iain Dowie playing) and struggled lamely to a 0-0 draw with relegation bound Bury at The Valley.
Curbs OUT! grunted the impatient crowd - you don't know what you're doing!
So nothing new under the sun there.
Then we won 8 matches on the trot, sometimes not playing particularly well but nicking the result.
Combined with a 0-0 in the last match of the season, we finished 4th, playoffs, Wembley-and the rest as they say, is history.
The more I've thought about this, the more I've come to the view that the remark was preparing us for failure. Richard Murray told him a few weeks ago that not getting promoted was unthinkable. Is Parky getting his retaliation in first and telling the board that another season in div three will be their fault?
Really doesn't bode well when the manager starts attacking the fans and sending coded messages to the board. Where does that leave the players - who have effectively been told by their manager that they're not here because they're great footballers but because we can't afford anyone better?
:-)
Not FACT. Scunny weren't the form team last year.
"imperative" not "unthinkable".
Personally I didn't read any "coded messages" just one very frustrated manager seeing his more than capable squad of players throwing away another two points (and another two player go down to potential serious injuries) and then speaking his mind in the press conference.
Whether you agree with him, like him or hate him it was hardly "coded" or anything similar.
It's a command and means obligatory, doesn't it?
And coded or not, I'm pretty sure Parky knew exactly what he was saying and how it would play in the boardroom. Despite his 'I'm just a regular guy getting on with the job' image, the guy has learned to become a skilled politician with highly attuned survival skills.
And good luck to him. Absolutely essential qualities in a modern football manager.
For teams like ourselves who haven't the luxury of spending big money, a la Southampton, it takes a while to build a TEAM again. Leeds are probably a year behind us with regards to building a "team", they just have more individually good players that are keeping them up there.
You're just starting the process. If you don't bounce back up this year (which you still might), be prepared for a few years of blending a team again, adding and taking away, getting that mix of young and old, fresh and experienced.
Looking at your team, with the likes of Burton, Dailly etc, you'd almost be better off clearing the dead wood, the prima donnas, the players who ain't pulling their weight, spending a year or two more in this league and then once you've put a proper TEAM together again, get back and then you'll be much better prepared for the 2nd division, rather than going straight up now and still being in limbo with a mixed squad.
I know we still have a chance but realistically i think we've dropped too many points against mediocre opposition this season and that will cost us. I just hope we can finish 3rd or 4th and then the 2nd leg of the play off will be at home.
Exactly.
And you can't blame Parky for saying it as he sees it ...... enough fans are ready to say it as they see it, right?
"Its truly ****ing shocking what an absolute shambles this team has become, no leadership, no passion & no ****ing idea. We aint up for it when playing the poor teams and can't even get up for the big games. When it ****ing goes wrong there's never a reaction .... nothing, the tempo at the start of games is akin to a gentle trot and rarely gets above that."
*****vomits *****
Prawns must be off fella....;-)
And 14 years. Oooahh and his downer mates don't have the bottle for that.
yeah , totally agree
all makes sense now
It's not just how much the players cost it's about wages and even though HE hasn't had much to spend he did inherit a set of players which should be more than capable of pulling us out of this division. I can only hope that our early season form was due to the good weather and it will improve again once the sun is out.
Also had Millwall to win 2-1 at 12/1 and had it in a double!!
BL@@DY LEEDS Aghhhhhh lol
I wish Charlton would just play like Millwall did last night - there was passion, there was fight, and there was belief.
This needs to be drummed into our players for the last run in of the season - Where ever we finish, if the team play like they have Passion, Fight and Belief then at least they have shown they care.
I want so badly to feel proud of the team again - and not walking out of the Valley or Away ground feeling like I've just been beaten up by the 11 players on the pitch. (Some exceptions)
I know this is "All part and parcel of being a Charlton Fan" I've been around long enough to know that. But is it too much to ask for 11 grown men, on wages per week that some people could only ever dream about, go out give 110% every single game.
Agree with the general point that if we don't go up we'll have to build a team, but should point out that Burton has been one of our best players. Very important to us and would look even better next to a goalscorer.
Prima donnas aren't a problem here, Burton and Dailly certainly aren't deadwood. Dailly started the season very well but seems to be declining, might have to replace him next season but we've got bigger weaknesses in our team than Dailly.
In the first half of the season it looked to some like Leeds and ourselves were strolling to the top two places, but now the weight of expectation on two "big" clubs has become a burden and fear of failure has struck both teams - imho neither is likely to fully recover and finish strong; if Millwall and/or one of the other teams finish strong then they will finish above us.
The best hope for us and Leeds might be to meet each other in the play-off finals - I reckon the fear of failure at Wembley could be too much for either team when playing against a team unencumbered by such worries.
Agreed but he also had a touch to go with it we've had pace and power in mcleod and Akpo but when you trap or keep control of a ball you have nada chance!!