I agree that the players let us down big time in the past 7 games
look at this way week in week out for the last 7 games that i have been at Lloyd Sam has failed to do his Job yet he consistantly remains on the pitch, On saturday i spoke to a member of the mgmt team who told me they have been trying to work with him to stay wide and get the crosses in take on the last man not cut inside, I saw Parky berating him for not being out wide.
Yet last night on a sodden pitch we had 2 wingers under performing 1 of them had a great game on saturday and although had a stinker last night never hid, was out wide more often than not attempting to take on the defender linking up with the over lapping stiker or defender, The other stood 10 yds out of position faild to even take on his defender for ages in the first half.
He went missing yet the mgr who has been instructing him to stay wide stretch play and get in behind them left him on there didnt even look to make that change.
The mgr confused the fans and the team with his subs he even sent out a player that had not warmed up into a game where the pitch was appaling, after telling one sub to warm up for 5 mins prior and getting him ready to come on then changed his mind.
Parky got unbelievable backing from the board and was able to keep a number of players: like Racon, Bailey, Jonjo, Elliott and Sam. He was also able to bring in a number of loans and pricey free transfers (particularly McKenzie, Dailly and Richardson). Saying he's an unfortunate man who's not had a penny completely ignores the fact that you have to pay employees and pro footballers are just very expensive employees. Let's at least attempt to stop kidding ourselves.
[cite]Posted By: floydandharvey[/cite]Was boozing in Brighton with a couple of Albion fans last night, and the first thing one of them said was "how much for Lloyd Sam?" Reckons he was one of the best opposition players they've encountered this season. They both thought we were by the far the better team, particularly in the second half, and they would have been more than happy with a draw. Complete opposite of how I saw it, but that's football for you, I guess. Or maybe that pillar in the middle of the Jimmy Seed affects people's view much more than you'd think...
You should have cut the deal there and then. :-)
I like Lloyd and think he'll be playing CCC football next season, but he's been really poor the last few games.
Parky is to blame. We haven't had a recognisable game plan since 4-5-1 was sussed. He bought in most of the players, he has tried at least two elevens without finding a mix. He doesn't know how to get the side, particularly the two banks of four to move up and back together without leaving huge gaps. He can't change a side tactically. What ever he works on in training isn't visible on match day. Mark my words, he will go back to a negative one up-front until the last few games in the hope that we hang onto our early lead in the table. Then panic if we're vying for the 6th spot. Most of the players being slagged off would be welcome in almost every squad in this division and some a level above.
[cite]Posted By: harveys gardener[/cite]Mark my words, he will go back to a negative one up-front until the last few games in the hope that we hang onto our early lead in the table.
It can be argued 451 is exactly what we need, and it isn't negative if set up and played well.
[cite]Posted By: harveys gardener[/cite]Parky is to blame. We haven't had a recognisable game plan since 4-5-1 was sussed. He bought in most of the players, he has tried at least two elevens without finding a mix. He doesn't know how to get the side, particularly the two banks of four to move up and back together without leaving huge gaps. He can't change a side tactically. What ever he works on in training isn't visible on match day. Mark my words, he will go back to a negative one up-front until the last few games in the hope that we hang onto our early lead in the table. Then panic if we're vying for the 6th spot. Most of the players being slagged off would be welcome in almost every squad in this division and some a level above.
People say our 451 was sussed but Brighton played 451 last night and we didn't suss it.
Parky may well go back to a 'negative' 451 but it's only negative if you don't get men forward to support the lone striker. Would you say Brightons 451 was negative last night? I certainly wouldn't. If we play that at Southend and have for example Reid, Wagstaff and Shelvey getting forward to support the striker then i'd say it was positive. We were successful using 451 so IMO we need to go back to it. we have better players than most teams so let them worry about us, play a formation we are good at.
If one of the top 4 in the prem lose a couple of games, do they abandon all hope because they've been sussed out, no they keep at it and get back to winning ways.
A 3 man central midfield was too much for Racon and Bailey to handle last night, and any partnership we could play would have had the same problem, so in games like that we probably need to match them. It suits Racon, Semedo and Shelvey more than 442, and arguably Bailey as it gives him more freedom to get forward. Not like we have a good partnership up front either.
I'd say 442 should be used at home when up against 442, Saturday was a good example of it being the right game to use it, though if Yeovil took the lead we'd have probably struggled like last night.
[cite]Posted By: floydandharvey[/cite]Was boozing in Brighton with a couple of Albion fans last night, and the first thing one of them said was "how much for Lloyd Sam?" Reckons he was one of the best opposition players they've encountered this season. They both thought we were by the far the better team, particularly in the second half, and they would have been more than happy with a draw. Complete opposite of how I saw it, but that's football for you, I guess. Or maybe that pillar in the middle of the Jimmy Seed affects people's view much more than you'd think...
Every neutral i've brought the last 2 seasons have commented on Lloyd Sam being our best player. Fact of the matter is we have not had a sriker since Darren Bent left. No Striker, no goals, no Rocket science nessasary.
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]
People say our 451 was sussed but Brighton played 451 last night and we didn't suss it.
Brighton played the formation the way is should be played. At times it was 4-5-1 other times it was 4-3-3 other times it was 4-4-1. The whole point of the formation is that it gives you a lot of flexibility and the ability to rotate positions. At the start of the season it worked for us but became increasingly predictable (partly because we had a centre mid playing on the left). In theory we have the ideal squad for it (plenty of centre mids, only 1 decent striker, a few wide options) but given the fact we are struggling to master 4-4-2 at the moment you do wonder how well we would manage to employ it.
"Without wholly disagreeing Paddy, it is equally worth remembering that the wage bill for his squad will be the highest in the division behind Leeds, and probably around double Swindon's and nearly double Millwall's".
Fair point AFKA, as is McLovin's along the same lines. I'm really not an apologist for him - he hasn't covered himself in glory recently and appears as confused as some of us at the moment. I think it's right that we express our criticisms here, where several excellent poinmts have been made amid the inevitable anger and frustration. Just no point in jumping on his back now as we've seen first hand recently where panic changes get us.
Interesting that those Brighton fans thought we were among the better sides they've faced, as the table testifies, but without a decent threat up front we're going nowhere. Proven goalscorers we can afford aren't queueing up to join but despite some clever loans Parky's failed to deliver in that area where virtually all our challengers appear to have managed. He didn't score last night but you could see the quick-thinking of a proven journeyman scorer like Forster who knows where the net is. Maybe someone like that would've given the whole squad a boost with the belief that without playing every minute of the run-in, they might pinch enough goals to make all the toil worthwhile. Last night I really felt for the likes of Dailly & Llera who tried every option open to them from their positions to create something for a feeble front line off whom every through ball seemed to bounce back. That in itself becomes very dispiriting.
[cite]Posted By: (1984)[/cite]given the fact we are struggling to master 4-4-2 at the moment you do wonder how well we would manage to employ it.
Isn't that down to the weaknesses in our midfield though? Out of our CMs, only really Bailey can defend and attack, and he's not that great when trying to do both and control everything, nor does playing defensively really suit him. Whichever two CMs we play, they both struggle when playing against 3. Giving them an extra player in there could have made a difference last night. Though we really need Burton for it, Akpo would struggle on his own I think.
Up front our strikers aren't great so we can't get a decent partnership going either. Surely worth another go especially if we know Southend are likely to play 451.
[cite]Posted By: (1984)[/cite]given the fact we are struggling to master 4-4-2 at the moment you do wonder how well we would manage to employ it.
Isn't that down to the weaknesses in our midfield though? Out of our CMs, only really Bailey can defend and attack, and he's not that great when trying to do both and control everything, nor does playing defensively really suit him. Whichever two CMs we play, they both struggle when playing against 3. Giving them an extra player in there could have made a difference last night. Though we really need Burton for it, Akpo would struggle on his own I think.
Up front our strikers aren't great so we can't get a decent partnership going either. Surely worth another go especially if we know Southend are likely to play 451.
Agreed, would certainly be the best use of our players. The last line was just me being sarky.
Forgetting fringe players and those no longer with us, there are 18 outfield squad players who have played regularly in Division One. Four were home grown by a Premiership academy, and three of those had displayed promise in the Championship. Four were inherited, all commanded six figure fees, and I’m sure all could be sold to a Championship side if under contract to us at the end of the season. The remaining 10 were all acquired by Parky, mainly on frees from the division above, but I’d guess our budget would put them amongst the top earners in the division.
This is not a weak group of players, the 10 brought in were chosen for their “character”. Why can’t the manager get them to perform?
It is one thing to get beaten and put everything you have into it but it is quite another to be outplayed. Fair play to the Seagulls they rolled up their sleeves and played with the sole aim of preserving their League 1 status which I hope they achieve as I have a lot of time for them and like them as a club. Charlton on the other hand are playing for promotion places and are looking very jaded. Promotion this season is vital for the club's short term future I do hope the players are au fait with this concept, sadly at this moment we are just not good enough to achieve that.
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look at this way week in week out for the last 7 games that i have been at Lloyd Sam has failed to do his Job yet he consistantly remains on the pitch, On saturday i spoke to a member of the mgmt team who told me they have been trying to work with him to stay wide and get the crosses in take on the last man not cut inside, I saw Parky berating him for not being out wide.
Yet last night on a sodden pitch we had 2 wingers under performing 1 of them had a great game on saturday and although had a stinker last night never hid, was out wide more often than not attempting to take on the defender linking up with the over lapping stiker or defender, The other stood 10 yds out of position faild to even take on his defender for ages in the first half.
He went missing yet the mgr who has been instructing him to stay wide stretch play and get in behind them left him on there didnt even look to make that change.
The mgr confused the fans and the team with his subs he even sent out a player that had not warmed up into a game where the pitch was appaling, after telling one sub to warm up for 5 mins prior and getting him ready to come on then changed his mind.
Parkies fault
What would have made sense was matching Brighton's 451 so that we've got more chance of being first to the loose balls in the midfield.
I like Lloyd and think he'll be playing CCC football next season, but he's been really poor the last few games.
People say our 451 was sussed but Brighton played 451 last night and we didn't suss it.
Parky may well go back to a 'negative' 451 but it's only negative if you don't get men forward to support the lone striker. Would you say Brightons 451 was negative last night? I certainly wouldn't. If we play that at Southend and have for example Reid, Wagstaff and Shelvey getting forward to support the striker then i'd say it was positive. We were successful using 451 so IMO we need to go back to it. we have better players than most teams so let them worry about us, play a formation we are good at.
If one of the top 4 in the prem lose a couple of games, do they abandon all hope because they've been sussed out, no they keep at it and get back to winning ways.
I'd say 442 should be used at home when up against 442, Saturday was a good example of it being the right game to use it, though if Yeovil took the lead we'd have probably struggled like last night.
Every neutral i've brought the last 2 seasons have commented on Lloyd Sam being our best player. Fact of the matter is we have not had a sriker since Darren Bent left. No Striker, no goals, no Rocket science nessasary.
Blame the parents.
(maybe Akpo should wear a Bandana?)
Brighton played the formation the way is should be played. At times it was 4-5-1 other times it was 4-3-3 other times it was 4-4-1. The whole point of the formation is that it gives you a lot of flexibility and the ability to rotate positions. At the start of the season it worked for us but became increasingly predictable (partly because we had a centre mid playing on the left). In theory we have the ideal squad for it (plenty of centre mids, only 1 decent striker, a few wide options) but given the fact we are struggling to master 4-4-2 at the moment you do wonder how well we would manage to employ it.
Fair point AFKA, as is McLovin's along the same lines. I'm really not an apologist for him - he hasn't covered himself in glory recently and appears as confused as some of us at the moment. I think it's right that we express our criticisms here, where several excellent poinmts have been made amid the inevitable anger and frustration. Just no point in jumping on his back now as we've seen first hand recently where panic changes get us.
Interesting that those Brighton fans thought we were among the better sides they've faced, as the table testifies, but without a decent threat up front we're going nowhere. Proven goalscorers we can afford aren't queueing up to join but despite some clever loans Parky's failed to deliver in that area where virtually all our challengers appear to have managed. He didn't score last night but you could see the quick-thinking of a proven journeyman scorer like Forster who knows where the net is. Maybe someone like that would've given the whole squad a boost with the belief that without playing every minute of the run-in, they might pinch enough goals to make all the toil worthwhile. Last night I really felt for the likes of Dailly & Llera who tried every option open to them from their positions to create something for a feeble front line off whom every through ball seemed to bounce back. That in itself becomes very dispiriting.
Up front our strikers aren't great so we can't get a decent partnership going either. Surely worth another go especially if we know Southend are likely to play 451.
Agreed, would certainly be the best use of our players. The last line was just me being sarky.
This is not a weak group of players, the 10 brought in were chosen for their “character”. Why can’t the manager get them to perform?