[cite]Posted By: Miserableold-ish git[/cite]Parky puts hisForwardson,plays a 3-2-3 (& Reid & Sam) an his stillHisfault ?
Playing 8 players is idiotic MOG, any manager that does that is an idiot :-)
That said, tonight you saw the difference between a clever manager that has the backing of a limited squad and a piss poor one who can't motivate. I imagine most of the soccer experts on here missed it but Poyet flipped to a 3-5-2 and Parky tried to follow it, but it was a mess until he brought Smodje on with Jackson and Bailey unsure which was to be a comedy centre back. I wouldn't pull this shit on Football Manager, tbf. It was still a mess with three centre backs on, but I'd forgive them as it was apparent that nobody had prepared for this horror.
Why we were trying to match lesser oppo, at home, while trailing, is a question for the football geniuses/Parky apologists amongst us.
Bailey playing Semedo's role unforced.
Lack of a pacey Bent type striker
Lack of a striker who can hit the target
Akpo being dreadful
Lua Lua
Wingers having stinkers
Mis-placed passes galore.
[quote][cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]We have two pacey, Bent-type strikers.........but they are playing at other clubs ![/quote]
It doesn't matter how good they might be playing at other clubs if they couldn't do it for us. Get shot, be damned and don't whinge because it won't do any good.
He has players easily good enough to finish top 3 but I will be amazed if we finish in a play off spot. We are second to every ball and give opposition teams acres of space on the ball so they always look better than they really are. He is tactically inept and completely uninsperational.
His decision to go 3 at the back with fully 20 mins left of the game was bonkers and then to take the only bloke (Jackson) who seemed to be able to cross a ball when he bought on Sam Sodje - I assume to head in a goal or two- defies belief.
The bloke is utter garbage and we will not move forward with him in charge.
Feel absolutely gutted after tonight. The passion and ability that Poyet is starting to get out of an average bunch of players is remarkable in my opinion. It makes it even more frustrating for me, as i believe a decent manager should be able to get much more out of the squad that we have available, and this raises questions about Parky. The lack of motivation is baffling. Maybe we shouldn't pay the players his month and see if that creates a bit of fire in the belly!
I didn't think the performance was much worse than Saturday's. Yeovil didn't take their (better) chances, Brighton did, and that was the difference in the result. The pitch was in terrible condition, and Burton going off seriously affected us.
Akpo's not very good, is he? Sam and Reid both had very poor games, Mooney not much better.
Funny because although we were poor last night we still created 5 very good chances that on another day (with better strikers) could have seen us score. All game and especially second half we lacked width and if I was another manager I would say take the lead and then enjoy yourselves as this lot bottle it. But I have to take issue with some of the comments on our players;
Mooney played very well last night until he was pushed so deep he got swallowed by the mud, he was at the heart of most of our best stuff (pity he is not a goal scorer though) and 2 (also lacks the composure in front of goal) but he won a lot of headers in their box and caused them some problems (rather than Sodje 2 he might prove to be Leaburn 2).
on talksport on the way home i heard peter taylor(new manager at bradford i think) and he just reminded me of parky
lovely bloke and all that quite honest and enthusiastic about the game but just one of those managers with no fire in their belly who could lift a team , give em a kick up the backside , make the players wanna play for him or they'll get some grief off him, i just think they both lack that magical touch that all winning/decent managers have ...
I have to put myself in the "had enough of this shite" camp too. Haven't been to the Valley since Millwall. Parky gave us a massive slap in the face that day and I'm not going back till he's gone. Been to a couple of the aways since and that is more what I have always liked about it anyway, meeting up, drinking, having a laugh. Home games have been a totally soul destroying experience for too long. You can go on about blind loyalty and thick and thin but I have a depressing enough time in the week without metaphorically kicking myself in the head at the weekend! And all this rubbish is of the club's own making. When we appointed Parkinson after his ever so successful trial period we gave up. And then when we won a couple of games in August we gave him an extended contract. You couldn't make it up
Do people really not any of the blame at any of the players at all?
Do we really think that they can only operate if Parky tells them exactly what to do?
Look, I don;t think parky it totally blameless, of course he is, he is the manager. But if I had to be hand held at work all the time and not just "do the job" then i'd get the boot.
Problems lie a lot deeper than Parkinson and I think he (and Sam) are being made a bit of a scapegoat.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Do people really not any of the blame at any of the players at all?
Do we really think that they can only operate if Parky tells them exactly what to do?
Look, I don;t think parky it totally blameless, of course he is, he is the manager. But if I had to be hand held at work all the time and not just "do the job" then i'd get the boot.
Problems lie a lot deeper than Parkinson and I think he (and Sam) are being made a bit of a scapegoat.
I agree...for example Rob Elliott was almost entirely at fault with the second goal....and on a better night might also have saved the first....you can't legislate for that.
the players are either
pony ...elliot, richardson, racon, akpo, mooney,llera
reasonable but not on top of their game .... dailly,bailey, sam, reid, burton
or doing ok but not good enough to make a difference..... jackson
[cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]I agree...for example Rob Elliott was almost entirely at fault with the second goal....and on a better night might also have saved the first....you can't legislate for that.
but he supports charlton so that's ok .... he won us the game on saturday but he is also a very good reaon we have a leaky back 5
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Do people really not any of the blame at any of the players at all?
Do we really think that they can only operate if Parky tells them exactly what to do?
Look, I don;t think parky it totally blameless, of course he is, he is the manager. But if I had to be hand held at work all the time and not just "do the job" then i'd get the boot.
Problems lie a lot deeper than Parkinson and I think he (and Sam) are being made a bit of a scapegoat.
Completely agree. Players are just as much to blame as the manager. It's not that they're not trying, it's that they're just not that good.
Anyone still want to claim that Bailey and Racon can play in the middle of a 4-4-2? Bailey's passing was abysmal last night, and positionally both he and Racon don't do enough to contribute to both attacking and defending. At times Bailey was slotting in next to his centre halves, and when going forward he and Racon were nowhere to be seen in terms of offering an option to our wingers.
Get the 4-5-1 back with Semedo in front of the back 4. Where is Jonjo?
[cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]I agree...for example Rob Elliott was almost entirely at fault with the second goal....and on a better night might also have saved the first....you can't legislate for that.
but he supports charlton so that's ok .... he won us the game on saturday but he is also a very good reaon we have a leaky back 5
Second goal, he can not kick the ball when under pressure. Happens every game, I wonder if they practice it in training
this was not the first time this season where the performance of the team has been very poor,just that we have had a whole catalogue of excuses that are wheeled out by the parky apologists.thankfully at the start of the season we were playing the relegation candidates and they fortunately were worse than us back then.we weren't very good but it didn't matter as we were winning.now some of them have got their house in order and are able to give us a game.we haven't got worse,just haven't improved in any way.
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]Completely agree. Players are just as much to blame as the manager. It's not that they're not trying, it's that they're just not that good.
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Get the 4-5-1 back with Semedo in front of the back 4. Where is Jonjo?
Well said, both the manager and players are to blame. An average manager and an average to decent, but good on their day, League One team. Too long we assume our players, especially the midfield, are a level above most other clubs players in this league. We thought the same when we came down from the Prem. Most of those players are still only decent Championship players now.
How is Racon a good Championship player, yet offers very little defensively, rarely scores a goal, and only occasionally creates chances?
How is Sam a Championship winger when he not actually that quick, isn't the fittest player around and rarely scores goals? Like Racon he's inconsistent. Reid I think is at a similar level, quicker, more direct, but even worse decision making.
Shelvey still has a lot to learn, again he's inconsistent. I'm sure he can play in at least the Championship one day, but like Racon and Sam, he wouldn't be a regular yet.
Semedo does his job but is very limited once into the oppositions half. Not a proper ball winner, more someone that holds his position and tidies up.
etc
On their day they look decent enough in the right team in the Championship. That doesn't make them Championship players.
Bailey is better but he shouldn't be trying the passes he has been, and this has been going on for a few games now.
Have to agree 4-5-1 suits our midfielders. It covers up their weaknesses and lets them play to their strengths. Which is why based on last season we thought they were good Championship players.
To add to that, I don't think Parky is a great manager, but we're going to need a brilliant manager to sort us out properly. He's just no better than a lot of managers in this league, much like most of the players, rather than being completely clueless.
Parky. Last night was an object lesson. In the blue corner looking sharp and assured in a black power-suit, Poyet has transformed his doomed bargain-basement team into a side capable of neatly passing the ball around our confused stars. Operating without their first choice keeper and best centre back they also lost their best forward early on. He switched to 3 5 2 at the right moment to squeeze what little hope we had out of the game. In the red corner, record breaker Parky draped in his anorak had no answer for his less experienced opponent. Attempting to switch to 3-5-2 to match Brighton when we were two down was baffling - moreso when we only had two centre backs on the pitch. Outdone by a man who is a couple of months into his first job. You can blame the players all you like, but you rather suspect that in the hands of a better leader they'd be a lot more effective.
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Playing 8 players is idiotic MOG, any manager that does that is an idiot :-)
That said, tonight you saw the difference between a clever manager that has the backing of a limited squad and a piss poor one who can't motivate. I imagine most of the soccer experts on here missed it but Poyet flipped to a 3-5-2 and Parky tried to follow it, but it was a mess until he brought Smodje on with Jackson and Bailey unsure which was to be a comedy centre back. I wouldn't pull this shit on Football Manager, tbf. It was still a mess with three centre backs on, but I'd forgive them as it was apparent that nobody had prepared for this horror.
Why we were trying to match lesser oppo, at home, while trailing, is a question for the football geniuses/Parky apologists amongst us.
You will find out very soon
Lack of a pacey Bent type striker
Lack of a striker who can hit the target
Akpo being dreadful
Lua Lua
Wingers having stinkers
Mis-placed passes galore.
It doesn't matter how good they might be playing at other clubs if they couldn't do it for us. Get shot, be damned and don't whinge because it won't do any good.
He has players easily good enough to finish top 3 but I will be amazed if we finish in a play off spot. We are second to every ball and give opposition teams acres of space on the ball so they always look better than they really are. He is tactically inept and completely uninsperational.
His decision to go 3 at the back with fully 20 mins left of the game was bonkers and then to take the only bloke (Jackson) who seemed to be able to cross a ball when he bought on Sam Sodje - I assume to head in a goal or two- defies belief.
The bloke is utter garbage and we will not move forward with him in charge.
I think you'll find that we have NO "pacey Bent-type strikers".
Unless you mean that the "Bent type" you refer to are "Marcus Bent type", then we have loads of them ;-)
Akpo's not very good, is he? Sam and Reid both had very poor games, Mooney not much better.
Mooney played very well last night until he was pushed so deep he got swallowed by the mud, he was at the heart of most of our best stuff (pity he is not a goal scorer though) and 2 (also lacks the composure in front of goal) but he won a lot of headers in their box and caused them some problems (rather than Sodje 2 he might prove to be Leaburn 2).
lovely bloke and all that quite honest and enthusiastic about the game but just one of those managers with no fire in their belly who could lift a team , give em a kick up the backside , make the players wanna play for him or they'll get some grief off him, i just think they both lack that magical touch that all winning/decent managers have ...
Make of that what you will.
Been to a couple of the aways since and that is more what I have always liked about it anyway, meeting up, drinking, having a laugh. Home games have been a totally soul destroying experience for too long.
You can go on about blind loyalty and thick and thin but I have a depressing enough time in the week without metaphorically kicking myself in the head at the weekend!
And all this rubbish is of the club's own making.
When we appointed Parkinson after his ever so successful trial period we gave up.
And then when we won a couple of games in August we gave him an extended contract. You couldn't make it up
Do we really think that they can only operate if Parky tells them exactly what to do?
Look, I don;t think parky it totally blameless, of course he is, he is the manager. But if I had to be hand held at work all the time and not just "do the job" then i'd get the boot.
Problems lie a lot deeper than Parkinson and I think he (and Sam) are being made a bit of a scapegoat.
I agree...for example Rob Elliott was almost entirely at fault with the second goal....and on a better night might also have saved the first....you can't legislate for that.
pony ...elliot, richardson, racon, akpo, mooney,llera
reasonable but not on top of their game .... dailly,bailey, sam, reid, burton
or doing ok but not good enough to make a difference..... jackson
but he supports charlton so that's ok .... he won us the game on saturday but he is also a very good reaon we have a leaky back 5
FTP
I say ban him or have you already
Completely agree. Players are just as much to blame as the manager. It's not that they're not trying, it's that they're just not that good.
Anyone still want to claim that Bailey and Racon can play in the middle of a 4-4-2? Bailey's passing was abysmal last night, and positionally both he and Racon don't do enough to contribute to both attacking and defending. At times Bailey was slotting in next to his centre halves, and when going forward he and Racon were nowhere to be seen in terms of offering an option to our wingers.
Get the 4-5-1 back with Semedo in front of the back 4. Where is Jonjo?
Second goal, he can not kick the ball when under pressure. Happens every game, I wonder if they practice it in training
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How is Racon a good Championship player, yet offers very little defensively, rarely scores a goal, and only occasionally creates chances?
How is Sam a Championship winger when he not actually that quick, isn't the fittest player around and rarely scores goals? Like Racon he's inconsistent. Reid I think is at a similar level, quicker, more direct, but even worse decision making.
Shelvey still has a lot to learn, again he's inconsistent. I'm sure he can play in at least the Championship one day, but like Racon and Sam, he wouldn't be a regular yet.
Semedo does his job but is very limited once into the oppositions half. Not a proper ball winner, more someone that holds his position and tidies up.
etc
On their day they look decent enough in the right team in the Championship. That doesn't make them Championship players.
Bailey is better but he shouldn't be trying the passes he has been, and this has been going on for a few games now.
Have to agree 4-5-1 suits our midfielders. It covers up their weaknesses and lets them play to their strengths. Which is why based on last season we thought they were good Championship players.