Parky is to blame, why play with 2 strikers that like to play with their back towards goal. Mooney and Burton are to similar they like bring other players into the game, and Akpoo is just shit.He needs to Start Mckenzie as he is the only striker who likes to run with the ball (What has he done wrong) Racon needs to be dropped as Bailey cant play the Semedo role. Another thing with Parky why the fcuk does he drop Shelvey out of the squad completley after he has had a bad game what must that do to the lads confidence. All this fuss about getting Akpo Sodje back from Sheffield Wednesday what an idiot apart from the Yeovil game you could see he was a shit player but Parky went on and on about getting him back. When Burton got injured yesterday we were getting out played and overun in the midfield so instead of bringing that lump on why not bring Semedo on and play 4-5-1 leaving Bailey and Racon to get forward, or if he feels mooney cant do it up top on his own play 4-4-2 and bring Mckenzie on. What does he see in Akpo Sodje that 14 thousand Charlton fans can't see.
Even if Parkinson went--walked away--- no dosh. The next mug who comes in will have no cash to spend---zilch----bugger all etc. Without an investment in the playing staff off £2million-ish we wont get out of this league.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: nickaspanner[/cite]He needs to Start Mckenzie as he is the only striker who likes to run with the ball (What has he done wrong)[/quote] Not stayed fit unfortunately.[/quote]
I thought he is over the niggling injuries, he has come out enough times saying he feels 100% and feels he should be starting.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]I don't think Parky is a great manager, but we're going to need a brilliant manager to sort us out properly.
I don't think we necessarily need a 'brilliant' Martin O'Neill egg-head type manager. A more modest combination of tactical soundness and a degree of motivational ability would probably do it...
The frustrating thing about Parky is that most knew he was the wrong choice to keep us up last season when we clearly needed a motivator and inspirational force. But many said he was the right man for the kind of long, hard, methodical campaign that would be necessary to get out of div three.
But we've ended up with the same problem that sunk our toothless championship squad: a bunch of seemingly unmotivated players who don't appear to 'want' it as much as most of our opponents.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Even if Parkinson went--walked away--- no dosh. The next mug who comes in will have no cash to spend---zilch----bugger all etc. Without an investment in the playing staff off £2million-ish we wont get out of this league.
Agreed.
Much as it pains me, i also lay a little of the blame at Richard Murray's door - was not a good idea to be quoted widely that "Promotion is imperative this season". We (including Parky and the players) all know that already - no need to heap on the extra pressure and fear factor.
Nice to see everyone massively overreacting to a defeat. I actually really enjoyed the first half as a spectacle, Brighton as the away team came to try & win the match from the start which always helps the game as a whole. We deteriorated badly along with the pitch second half, we have limited players we must accept that they are not going to play well every game. Hopefully we'll improve Friday, but it is Charlton. I think we should attribute a bit more of the blame to the players who in my opinion were the reaosn we lost last night, not the tactics subs or managment.
"Also, why do our strikers stand still with their backs to goal"
This is so true Golfie, and has been for far too long. Too many players id forward positions seem to think that standing back to goal, acting as a pivot for someone else, is doing enough. It's not. While one clever player (Burton) doing that on occasion can be an effective option, everyone repeatedly facing their own goal is negative, timid (Mooney), and bloody annoying. It's too often a safe little way out of taking responsibility, or a whack from behind that might just earn a pen.
With the team having worked so hard to create half an opening, surely every one who calls himself a striker should think first of having a go, then lay it off only when there's no better option. Too many are shot-shy and scared.
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]I don't think we necessarily need a 'brilliant' Martin O'Neill egg-head type manager. A more modest combination of tactical soundness and a degree of motivational ability would probably do it...
Brilliant by League One standards to get promoted next season if we don't this season, yes we will. Once players leave we'll be left with the weaker players and youngsters, and without the right signings we'd struggle.
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]But we've ended up with the same problem that sunk our toothless championship squad: a bunch of unmotivated players who don't seem to 'want' it as much as most of our opponents.
I think there's far more to it than a lack of motivation, but most of the team were trying, they just weren't good enough.
Main two players who lack drive to get more out of them for me are Sam and Racon. I think everyone would agree with that?
Reid, Mooney, Burton and Akpo were trying but most things weren't coming off. Burton came off, but the other three it was more a lack of ability than effort.
Can anyone say Bailey, Dailly, Llera and Elliot don't try? Richardson and Jackson tried to do their jobs, but if the midfield don't perform and we don't score goals there's not much they can do.
From that how is it down to a lack of motivation and effort? Maybe it's a lack of handling the pressure, there's definitely a lack of consistency and overall there's a lack of ability to pull off some of the things they were trying.
The other major thing for me with this team is they don't really have the ability to get back into a game if they go 1-0 down, unless they get a bit of luck. We can't break down defensive sides, which is how most teams play against us once they take the lead.
I accept Parky didn't have his best night, but we've got him until May, and until recently he's managed to keep us in the top three without buying a player. This isn't rose-tinted adulation - it's stating facts. Little point in collectively getting on his back now; the play-offs are still very much in reach, though I share people's fears.
[cite]Posted By: Paddy7[/cite]I accept Parky didn't have his best night, but we've got him until May, and until recently he's managed to keep us in the top three without buying a player. This isn't rose-tinted adulation - it's stating facts. Little point in collectively getting on his back now; the play-offs are still very much in reach, though I share people's fears.
Good post, nothing to gain from demanding he's replaced, but plenty of things to worry about.
[cite]Posted By: IA[/cite]I didn't think the performance was much worse than Saturday's. Yeovil didn't take their (better) chances, Brighton did, and that was the difference in the result. The pitch was in terrible condition, and Burton going off seriously affected us.
I think that was a good point as well, getting the first goal on Saturday, but not last night, made a big difference to the team.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]Nice to see everyone massively overreacting to a defeat. I actually really enjoyed the first half as a spectacle, Brighton as the away team came to try & win the match from the start which always helps the game as a whole. We deteriorated badly along with the pitch second half, we have limited players we must accept that they are not going to play well every game. Hopefully we'll improve Friday, but it is Charlton. I think we should attribute a bit more of the blame to the players who in my opinion were the reaosn we lost last night, not the tactics subs or managment.
Wow - sense and reason. Ketters will you bugger off with the rest of the right minded people please? I want to read more suicidal "we're the best team in the world but our sh!t right winger and manager have dragged us into the depths of hell" posts. Thank you kindly.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]From that how is it down to a lack of motivation and effort? Maybe it's a lack of handling the pressure, there's definitely a lack of consistency
I don't think we're that far apart, Scoham. Whether you call it demotivation or inability to handle pressure, there is a problem that seems to be in their heads rather than their feet.
Yes, we're not as good as a footballing side as some have made out. We're probably a fairly typical bog-standard div three side, certainly no worse and hopefully a little better man-for-man than the likes of Walsall, Orient, Tranmere, Brighton etc. Plus many of our players have experience of playing at a higher level, which should certainly give them the edge.
So how is it the sides named above give us so many problems? Somehow they seem to be mentally set-up better. You can call it better focussed, more stongly motivated, wanting it more or whatever. The fact is these teams - who are certainly no better than us - were first to most of the 50-50 balls, and so the point remains: there's more to this game than the ability in your feet.
To me that mental side of the game definitely seems to be one of the areas where we have been falling down since the turn of the year.
[cite]Posted By: RedArmySE7[/cite]I want to read more suicidal "we're the best team in the world but our sh!t right winger and manager have dragged us into the depths of hell" posts. Thank you kindly.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]From that how is it down to a lack of motivation and effort? Maybe it's a lack of handling the pressure, there's definitely a lack of consistency
I don't think we're that far apart, Scoham. Whether you call it demotivation or inability to handle pressure, there is a problem that seems to be in their heads rather than their feet.
Yes, we're not as good as a footballing side as some have made out. We're probably a fairly typical bog-standard div three side, certainly no worse and hopefully a little better man-for-man than the likes of Walsall, Orient, Tranmere, Brighton etc. Plus many of our players have experience of playing at a higher level, which should certainly give them the edge.
So how is it the sides named above give us so many problems? Somehow they seem to be mentally set-up better. You can call it better focussed, more stongly motivated, wanting it more or whatever. The fact is these teams were first to most of the 50-50 balls and so the point remains: there's more to this game than the ability in your feet.
To me that mental side of the game definitely seems to be one of the areas where we have been falling down since the turn of the year.
I don't think it is a motivational problem though. Bailey looks motivated, he just doesn't have the positional sense to stand in the right place, therefore doesn't get to the ball first. This is a technical skill, not a mental one. I can level the same criticism at Racon and Semedo. This is why I think we should play all 3 in a 4-5-1 - their positional deficiencies are dealt with by the fact that there's an extra man in there to be closer to the ball. Even when we were on form and playing 4-4-2 this 50-50 ball issue was a problem.
[cite]Posted By: Paddy7[/cite]I accept Parky didn't have his best night, but we've got him until May, and until recently he's managed to keep us in the top three without buying a player. This isn't rose-tinted adulation - it's stating facts.
Without wholly disagreeing Paddy, it is equally worth remembering that the wage bill for his squad will be the highest in the division behind Leeds, and probably around double Swindon's and nearly double Millwall's. So he may not have 'bought' players, and he may not be totally responsible for the wages of those here, but he has brought around 15 players into the club since he has been manager, seen some others given new contracts, and insisted on keeping a number of the higher earners.
He is responsible for managing his squad, and if that squad isn't good enough then he has to take a bit of the blame game i'm afraid, though not solely to blame.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]From that how is it down to a lack of motivation and effort? Maybe it's a lack of handling the pressure, there's definitely a lack of consistency
I don't think we're that far apart, Scoham. Whether you call it demotivation or inability to handle pressure, there is a problem that seems to be in their heads rather than their feet.
Yes, we're not as good as a footballing side as some have made out. We're probably a fairly typical bog-standard div three side, certainly no worse and hopefully a little better man-for-man than the likes of Walsall, Orient, Tranmere, Brighton etc. Plus many of our players have experience of playing at a higher level, which should certainly give them the edge.
So how is it the sides named above give us so many problems? Somehow they seem to be mentally set-up better. You can call it better focussed, more stongly motivated, wanting it more or whatever. The fact is these teams were first to most of the 50-50 balls and so the point remains: there's more to this game than the ability in your feet.
To me that mental side of the game definiterly seems to be one of the areas where we are falling down.
I do agree with that, I just think it's more to do with things like focus, belief, teamwork, handling the pressure than purely down to players not trying.
Specifically saying there was a lack of motivation just suggests to me the players don't care and won't put enough effort in, when clearly most of them were trying. Last night wasn't like in the past when we've had players like JFH standing there not doing a lot and not particularly caring when we lost.
If Racon scored that chance and we went 1-0 like on Saturday, it could have been a very different game.
in that order aswell for me! unfortunatelly Parky doesn't have the tactical nouse that all other good managers have for example his subs never seem to impact the game and seems like he waits to long to make them
Reason i'd put Players before is just i think at least half of them are capable of CC but they are far too insistent, also we rely heavily on bailey and dont appear to win a game if he isnt playing well
that said i would not sack parky, wait and see where we are in may and then assess it
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]I don't think it is a motivational problem though. Bailey looks motivated, he just doesn't have the positional sense to stand in the right place, therefore doesn't get to the ball first. This is a technical skill, not a mental one. I can level the same criticism at Racon and Semedo. This is why I think we should play all 3 in a 4-5-1 - their positional deficiencies are dealt with by the fact that there's an extra man in there to be closer to the ball. Even when we were on form and playing 4-4-2 this 50-50 ball issue was a problem.
You mentioned that earlier and I have to agree again. I don't think it's just positional sense, it's a lack of an all round game in both Racon and Semedo (and Shelvey), neither can play both attack and defend. Bailey does a bit of both, but making him sit back to fit in Racon stops him being a goal threat.
Racon is probably technically better than most League One CMs, but no doubt a lot of them have a more balanced game and offer more energy than he does. Semedo the opposite, probably one of the best sitting in front of the defence, but very limited going forward and not one to close down heavily.
Last season the 451 made our midfielders all look like reasonable Championship players. Yet in a 442, they look average in League One.
[quote][cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Do people really not any of the blame at any of the players at all?
Do we really think that they can only operate if Parky tells them exactly what to do?
Look, I don;t think parky it totally blameless, of course he is, he is the manager. But if I had to be hand held at work all the time and not just "do the job" then i'd get the boot.
Problems lie a lot deeper than Parkinson and I think he (and Sam) are being made a bit of a scapegoat.[/quote]
Our players are better than most in this league, i really do beleive that - the trouble is our tactics are dismal. Why every game do we look like we are playing with one less than the opposition? Parky lacks the ability not just to motivate but to structure a team. If we play someone with structure we struggle. This is entirely Parkys fault. If we had someone like Lambert in charge we would be top of this division and cruising.
You only have to look at the likes of Ambrose - played out of position at Charlton now scoring freely at Palace, Shelvey - constantly played on the left wing by Parky etc....what made Curbs so good was that he player players in their best positions and stuck to a system and plan.
When Brighton played Leeds at the w/e and almost won they played 4-5-1 and flooded the midfield, any sensible manager would have picked up on that and matched their formation last night (much like Curbs used to). We didn't.
IMO he is 100% to blame, if you want to blame the players instead (or partly) then fine...but remember who bought Daily, Sodjex2, Richardson, Jackson, Reid, Mooney, McKenzie, Burton to the club in the first place.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Specifically saying there was a lack of motivation just suggests to me the players don't care and won't put enough effort in,
Fair enough because I certainly didn't say there was - or mean to suggest - a lack of effort. But I don't think effort and motivation are synonymous. Effort can be just huff and puff without much motivation. By motivation I mean a kind of single-minded determination, a 'they shall not pass' mentality. A touch of steel. And I don't think we see enough of that.
Or to put it another way, if we are motivated other teams with possibly less ability (and as AFKA points out above certainly smaller wage bills) somehow seem MORE motivated.
I was much amused somewhere to read a post likening Sam to a highly talented 11 year old who gets distracted and stops in the middle of his run to point at an aeroplane in the sky. A little unfair, but I knew what was meant and it made me laugh - which not a lot has since last night...
[cite]Posted By: valleyman[/cite]IMO he is 100% to blame, if you want to blame the players instead (or partly) then fine...but remember who bought Daily, Sodjex2, Richardson, Jackson, Reid, Mooney, McKenzie, Burton to the club in the first place.
And where would we be without those players?
And if we didnt have them, who would you have instead?
We will lose games to better and worse teams than B&HA.
Saying that though I do agree that Lloyd Sam did have a 'mare and the tactics were all over the place but if it's all about "I pay my money I can say what I want" etc I'm only paying an average £12.61 a match which is next to nothing. Doesnt matter who's in charge, PP or Mourinho, if you pay peanuts you get crap football.
I thought effort levels were quite high last night but unfortunately the crapness levels were higher.
[cite]Posted By: Zinedine Bagheri[/cite]We will lose games to better and worse teams than B&HA.
Saying that though I do agree that Lloyd Sam did have a 'mare and the tactics were all over the place but if it's all about"I pay my money I can say what I want"etc I'm only paying an average £12.61 a match which is next to nothing. Doesnt matter who's in charge, PP or Mourinho, if you pay peanuts you get crap football.
I thought effort levels were quite high last night but unfortunately the crapness levels were higher.
So will it solve the problem if we all pay £50 a match? Worth a try anyone??
Parkinson is 90% to blame and the other 10% the players. Most of them tried hard and the frustration was clear to see on Nicky Bailey's face and body language. What idiot would play exactly the same team that played 2 days earlier on that surface - they all looked jaded and leggy from the start - why not make a few clever changes and use Semedo as right back and Sodje in the middle to mix in some fresh legs - start Wagstaff and as for using Bailey as a holding player...then trying to play through the centre when the pitch was not playable - they had to use the wings and Jackson was running down the line - but rarely seen. Also Burton and Mooney are too alike - use Mooney and MacKenzie and give Burton a rest...To me all of this basic stuff. As for the substitutes (and the timing)...enough has already been said. I think he is incompetent - doesn't appear to have a plan B (let alone a plan A) and should be replaced - but we can't - so we have to tolerate all of this and watch us slowly slip down the league - maybe even out of the play off positions - so an even bigger disaster. I don't know the solution - but I can understand the frustration of many of the people posting on here (often labelled as negative...) but its starting to keep me awake at night so I hope someone knows what to do...!
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When Burton got injured yesterday we were getting out played and overun in the midfield so instead of bringing that lump on why not bring Semedo on and play 4-5-1 leaving Bailey and Racon to get forward, or if he feels mooney cant do it up top on his own play 4-4-2 and bring Mckenzie on. What does he see in Akpo Sodje that 14 thousand Charlton fans can't see.
Not stayed fit unfortunately.[/quote]
I thought he is over the niggling injuries, he has come out enough times saying he feels 100% and feels he should be starting.
I don't think we necessarily need a 'brilliant' Martin O'Neill egg-head type manager. A more modest combination of tactical soundness and a degree of motivational ability would probably do it...
The frustrating thing about Parky is that most knew he was the wrong choice to keep us up last season when we clearly needed a motivator and inspirational force. But many said he was the right man for the kind of long, hard, methodical campaign that would be necessary to get out of div three.
But we've ended up with the same problem that sunk our toothless championship squad: a bunch of seemingly unmotivated players who don't appear to 'want' it as much as most of our opponents.
Agreed.
Much as it pains me, i also lay a little of the blame at Richard Murray's door - was not a good idea to be quoted widely that "Promotion is imperative this season". We (including Parky and the players) all know that already - no need to heap on the extra pressure and fear factor.
WSS not having it Parkly to balme end of
This is so true Golfie, and has been for far too long. Too many players id forward positions seem to think that standing back to goal, acting as a pivot for someone else, is doing enough. It's not. While one clever player (Burton) doing that on occasion can be an effective option, everyone repeatedly facing their own goal is negative, timid (Mooney), and bloody annoying. It's too often a safe little way out of taking responsibility, or a whack from behind that might just earn a pen.
With the team having worked so hard to create half an opening, surely every one who calls himself a striker should think first of having a go, then lay it off only when there's no better option. Too many are shot-shy and scared.
I think there's far more to it than a lack of motivation, but most of the team were trying, they just weren't good enough.
Main two players who lack drive to get more out of them for me are Sam and Racon. I think everyone would agree with that?
Reid, Mooney, Burton and Akpo were trying but most things weren't coming off. Burton came off, but the other three it was more a lack of ability than effort.
Can anyone say Bailey, Dailly, Llera and Elliot don't try? Richardson and Jackson tried to do their jobs, but if the midfield don't perform and we don't score goals there's not much they can do.
From that how is it down to a lack of motivation and effort? Maybe it's a lack of handling the pressure, there's definitely a lack of consistency and overall there's a lack of ability to pull off some of the things they were trying.
The other major thing for me with this team is they don't really have the ability to get back into a game if they go 1-0 down, unless they get a bit of luck. We can't break down defensive sides, which is how most teams play against us once they take the lead.
I think that was a good point as well, getting the first goal on Saturday, but not last night, made a big difference to the team.
Wow - sense and reason. Ketters will you bugger off with the rest of the right minded people please? I want to read more suicidal "we're the best team in the world but our sh!t right winger and manager have dragged us into the depths of hell" posts. Thank you kindly.
I don't think we're that far apart, Scoham. Whether you call it demotivation or inability to handle pressure, there is a problem that seems to be in their heads rather than their feet.
Yes, we're not as good as a footballing side as some have made out. We're probably a fairly typical bog-standard div three side, certainly no worse and hopefully a little better man-for-man than the likes of Walsall, Orient, Tranmere, Brighton etc. Plus many of our players have experience of playing at a higher level, which should certainly give them the edge.
So how is it the sides named above give us so many problems? Somehow they seem to be mentally set-up better. You can call it better focussed, more stongly motivated, wanting it more or whatever. The fact is these teams - who are certainly no better than us - were first to most of the 50-50 balls, and so the point remains: there's more to this game than the ability in your feet.
To me that mental side of the game definitely seems to be one of the areas where we have been falling down since the turn of the year.
I don't think it is a motivational problem though. Bailey looks motivated, he just doesn't have the positional sense to stand in the right place, therefore doesn't get to the ball first. This is a technical skill, not a mental one. I can level the same criticism at Racon and Semedo. This is why I think we should play all 3 in a 4-5-1 - their positional deficiencies are dealt with by the fact that there's an extra man in there to be closer to the ball. Even when we were on form and playing 4-4-2 this 50-50 ball issue was a problem.
Without wholly disagreeing Paddy, it is equally worth remembering that the wage bill for his squad will be the highest in the division behind Leeds, and probably around double Swindon's and nearly double Millwall's. So he may not have 'bought' players, and he may not be totally responsible for the wages of those here, but he has brought around 15 players into the club since he has been manager, seen some others given new contracts, and insisted on keeping a number of the higher earners.
He is responsible for managing his squad, and if that squad isn't good enough then he has to take a bit of the blame game i'm afraid, though not solely to blame.
Specifically saying there was a lack of motivation just suggests to me the players don't care and won't put enough effort in, when clearly most of them were trying. Last night wasn't like in the past when we've had players like JFH standing there not doing a lot and not particularly caring when we lost.
If Racon scored that chance and we went 1-0 like on Saturday, it could have been a very different game.
in that order aswell for me! unfortunatelly Parky doesn't have the tactical nouse that all other good managers have for example his subs never seem to impact the game and seems like he waits to long to make them
Reason i'd put Players before is just i think at least half of them are capable of CC but they are far too insistent, also we rely heavily on bailey and dont appear to win a game if he isnt playing well
that said i would not sack parky, wait and see where we are in may and then assess it
Racon is probably technically better than most League One CMs, but no doubt a lot of them have a more balanced game and offer more energy than he does. Semedo the opposite, probably one of the best sitting in front of the defence, but very limited going forward and not one to close down heavily.
Last season the 451 made our midfielders all look like reasonable Championship players. Yet in a 442, they look average in League One.
Do we really think that they can only operate if Parky tells them exactly what to do?
Look, I don;t think parky it totally blameless, of course he is, he is the manager. But if I had to be hand held at work all the time and not just "do the job" then i'd get the boot.
Problems lie a lot deeper than Parkinson and I think he (and Sam) are being made a bit of a scapegoat.[/quote]
Our players are better than most in this league, i really do beleive that - the trouble is our tactics are dismal. Why every game do we look like we are playing with one less than the opposition? Parky lacks the ability not just to motivate but to structure a team. If we play someone with structure we struggle. This is entirely Parkys fault. If we had someone like Lambert in charge we would be top of this division and cruising.
You only have to look at the likes of Ambrose - played out of position at Charlton now scoring freely at Palace, Shelvey - constantly played on the left wing by Parky etc....what made Curbs so good was that he player players in their best positions and stuck to a system and plan.
When Brighton played Leeds at the w/e and almost won they played 4-5-1 and flooded the midfield, any sensible manager would have picked up on that and matched their formation last night (much like Curbs used to). We didn't.
IMO he is 100% to blame, if you want to blame the players instead (or partly) then fine...but remember who bought Daily, Sodjex2, Richardson, Jackson, Reid, Mooney, McKenzie, Burton to the club in the first place.
Fair enough because I certainly didn't say there was - or mean to suggest - a lack of effort. But I don't think effort and motivation are synonymous. Effort can be just huff and puff without much motivation. By motivation I mean a kind of single-minded determination, a 'they shall not pass' mentality. A touch of steel. And I don't think we see enough of that.
Or to put it another way, if we are motivated other teams with possibly less ability (and as AFKA points out above certainly smaller wage bills) somehow seem MORE motivated.
I was much amused somewhere to read a post likening Sam to a highly talented 11 year old who gets distracted and stops in the middle of his run to point at an aeroplane in the sky. A little unfair, but I knew what was meant and it made me laugh - which not a lot has since last night...
And if we didnt have them, who would you have instead?
Saying that though I do agree that Lloyd Sam did have a 'mare and the tactics were all over the place but if it's all about "I pay my money I can say what I want" etc I'm only paying an average £12.61 a match which is next to nothing. Doesnt matter who's in charge, PP or Mourinho, if you pay peanuts you get crap football.
I thought effort levels were quite high last night but unfortunately the crapness levels were higher.
Classic!
So will it solve the problem if we all pay £50 a match? Worth a try anyone??
maybe if they'd done that in the premiership we might not be in the current state we're in now ;-(
Fine for those that can afford it.