not just posts on one thread though. Many other threads were started post northwich as well as the official thread.
Check with admin but im pretty sure that they have stated in the past that traffic is higher after defeats than after victories and that that has been the case over a number of seasons.
the team did well yesterday made me eat my words i wanted to see some bottle after going behind and they certainly did that ,im not the greatest admirer of Lloyd sam but even he got booked for getting stuck in which was great to see and then he shut me up with a well taken goal , so well done to the lads yesterday and well done to Lloyd sam for playing 90 mins.
Regarding the disallowed penalty yes Dailly handled but he was shoved in the back first which should have been a free kick to us maybe that is the reason the penalty wasn't given.
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]Regarding the disallowed penalty yes Dailly handled but he was shoved in the back first which should have been a free kick to us maybe that is the reason the penalty wasn't given.
Ince was also claiming Youga handled when he cleared off the line! Sure MK were on top during that spell but only because they scored against the run of play (with a feaky, weather assisted goal) which left Charlton a bit shell shocked. Still think we would have won even if we had gone 0-2 down because we had the aid of the wind behind in the second half. Fingers crossed the away form improves now!
[cite]Posted By: boogica[/cite]the team did well yesterday made me eat my words i wanted to see some bottle after going behind and they certainly did that ,im not the greatest admirer of Lloyd sam but even he got booked for getting stuck in which was great to see and then he shut me up with a well taken goal , so well done to the lads yesterday and well done to Lloyd sam for playing 90 mins.
People do moan about Sam not getting stuck in, but I find far better in that area, and helping out his full back, than Thomas, Rommedahl or Ambrose ever were. He has his weaknesses but has a more balanced game than those 3 did (fair enough it wasn't Ambrose's best position). When he's playing well and confident it's not a weakness to his game. Good to see him create and score goals yesterday, he won't do that every week but I hope he can keep up that confidence to keep trying to make things happen. His goal for example was the type of thing he wouldn't try or get right without confidence.
[cite]Posted By: boogica[/cite]the team did well yesterday made me eat my words i wanted to see some bottle after going behind and they certainly did that ,im not the greatest admirer of Lloyd sam but even he got booked for getting stuck in which was great to see and then he shut me up with a well taken goal , so well done to the lads yesterday and well done to Lloyd sam for playing 90 mins.
People do moan about Sam not getting stuck in, but I find far better in that area, and helping out his full back, than Thomas, Rommedahl or Ambrose ever were. He has his weaknesses but has a more balanced game than those 3 did (fair enough it wasn't Ambrose's best position). When he's playing well and confident it's not a weakness to his game. Good to see him create and score goals yesterday, he won't do that every week but I hope he can keep up that confidence to keep trying to make things happen. His goal for example was the type of thing he wouldn't try or get right without confidence.
Good point Sco.
If you recall on previous occasions whenever he worked himself a shooting position he would always lose composure and make a hash of it.
That wasn't the case yesterday; although it's possible that the defender closing in gave him less time to think.
It was great to see Bailey and Sam back in the form we haven't seen for a number of weeks now.
I think it helped that a talented MK Dons came to play football and kind of put the gauntlett down and forced a response from us.
Nice also for us to get the breaks from the officials for a change.
It'll be interesting to see whether we can maintain that level of performance against a team that comes to park the bus; and also whether Parky sticks with that formation.
All in all a thoroughly enjoyable game; the best this season (and probably several seasons!)
[cite]Posted By: Six-a-bag-of-nuts[/cite]I think it helped that a talented MK Donscame to play footballand kind of put the gauntlett down and forced a response from us.
Good point, stopping us playing and getting men behind the ball didn't look like the kind of tactics Ince was looking to play. It's worked for other teams though. Do get the feeling other managers have watched us play a lot and tried to stop Burton, Shelvey and Sam from creating anything, and be careful with Bailey when he gets in the box.
With Sam's goal I agree, he had no time to think about it, just naturally beat the defender and shot quickly. If he chances like the ones Wagstaff scored from this season, would he keep his composure?
In the end if we can play like that, we won't score 5 goals every game, but there's more chance we'll win games like the 0-0 draw against Oldham. Bailey took control, Sam played with confidence, and Mooney gave Burton someone to work with and better support. We also mixed it up a bit more, e.g. Sam heading Basey's long ball to Burton to score, and scoring from set pieces.
''I think it helped that a talented MK Dons came to play football and kind of put the gauntlet down and forced a response from us.''
That is very true and credit to Parky because he read it exactly right - he said on the OS on Friday that Dons would play like Huddersfield rather than Oldham.
Possibly a bit naive of Ince, because he might have been better off trying to frustrate us and choking our midfield. But credit to him : he came looking for three points (and must have thought after our disatrous week that they were there for the taking) and had no interest in ''parking the bus'' for a single point like Oldham did.
I think the impact of this game on the rest of our season could be huge. Not just in terms of lifting the team and the fans, but up front, where finally we have decent options. We can now start with, say, Burton and Mooney - and still have McKenzie and Sodje to come on.
Not sure how long the Mooney and Sodje loans are for, but while they are around I can't see McLeod getting anywhere near even the bench, once he's served his ban. And with four such capable strikers, I hope it's an end to 4-5-1, even away from home.
Not sure how long the Mooney and Sodje loans are for
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Mooney was until December 2nd and Sodje was on a 28 day loan "with a view to a permanent signing", his contract with SW expires at the end of the season, hopefully if we do sign him on a full-time basis it won't cost us that much.
Sounds like we've only got Mooney fro three more games then. With McKenzie now fit, Deon declared fit to play until the end of the season without surgery on his hernia (or so Parky says) and McLeod back from his ban after the next game, hard to see a cash-strapped board allowing Parky the luxury of extending the loan on an extra striker...
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]Sounds like we've only got Mooney fro three more games then. With McKenzie now fit, Deon declared fit to play until the end of the season without surgery on his hernia (or so Parky says) and McLeod back from his ban after the next game, hard to see a cash-strapped board allowing Parky the luxury of extending the loan on an extra striker...
Unless of course the infamous Dickson saga is about to end and there is a either a deal in place to sell him to Bristol Rovers or extend the loan till the end of the season. I'm pretty sure Mooney is well down the pecking order at Reading, he's only had a look in during the Carling Cup games. I think it'll be extended till the end of the season.
Personally think we have seen the last of Mcleod. Just because he hasn't been publicly lambasted for his indiscretion at Northwich doesn't mean Parky hasn't read him the riot act.
McKenzie, Burton, Sodje & Mooney will do me.......
Hopefully we can get shot of McLeod in January and persuade BR to part with some money for Dickson and use that to sign Sodje jnr on a permanent deal and get Reading to allow us to keep Mooney until the summer.
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I think the impact of this game on the rest of our season could be huge.
Agree 100%.
I had a real sinking feeling when they went 1-0 up and a momentary vision of our season unravelling completely.
The response was superb and for the reasons you mention there is renewed cause for optimism.
A pivotal match
A terrific game of football in the conditions - credit to both teams for that.
Bailey was the driving force we've been missing recently. Good energy & movement from the Burton & Mooney, plus Sam back to something approaching his best.
Fully committed performances at the back, notably Sodje.
IMO, Parky & the players deserved everything that was thrown at them after the Cup debacle. They answered in the best possible way & hopefully we can now draw a line under the Northwich episode.
[cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[[/cite]Interesting that so many of us want to give the ref a big pat on the back when he missed one of the most blatant penalties you'll ever see. It's funny how we football fans rate officials. Terrible errors in our favour = brilliant ref.
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Not as bad as the Ref years ago Wales v Scotland, when Scottish player did a dailly and won a penalty, which ultimately put Wales out of the world cup ... .
Now that was a brilliant ref :-)
Joseph Jordan was the basket ball player that day. Big Jock's last day though. Would much rather Scotland lost and had a less tragic end to proceedings.
Been mentioned earlier but I thought Basey looked very comfortable when he came on. He did get caught for pace on several occasions but managed to get in good recovery tackles although I do wonder if by the time Basey appeared MK were already a spent force. Agree with others that Youga for Richardson if the latter is out for a while and Grant at left back would be our best full back pairing. Overall it was I thought a very competent performance and not far off back to our best. If the recent dip in form was in fact just that a dip and we now are able to push on then we have been fortunate to get our poor run in and still remain second. Praise due to PP because through all the critisism regarding his tactics he has stuck to his guns been proved right and remained dignified. Roll on Yeovil.
First half thety started well and probably should have scored 4 times, 5 if you include Dailly's hand ball (which at the time I was sure had hit one of their player's hands). But we also had numerous chances, Bailey nearly had a hatrick with the wind playing havoc with his freekicks and their Willy had to make a few great stops (especially the one from their own player).
Second half it was all us and I thought we terrific, Burton was brilliant all day and I thought he really did lead the line well. Also Bailey and Semedo looked great together, they really added some urgency to our play, the swap may have been due to the weather and the need to battle.
Excellent stuff dont think we bossed as easily as some people suggest but still a great victory.
1st 10 minutes could have been 2 down but for some great blocks and they should have had a pen.
But great to see us come back bailey in the middle was superb.
Mooney very much an off the shoulder guy which made the decision to play him loan stirker against saints strange. Him and burton linked very well today and pressed there defence.
Still well done lads think 2 strikers in the wings can only be positive.
Entertainment, commitment and three points. What more can you want.
Even first half when both sides had chances (great save by their keeper from Powell).
Having gone behind to what I thought was a poor bit of keeping but having seen on TV from behind the goal looks like a very good dipping swirling shot we show the character to get right back at them.
2nd half we ran the game and they were gone after the 3rd goal.
Bailey, Sam and Burton (who was back to his early season form) were the real difference and maybe justified the decision to rest them. None of them has played that well for a while but they were the difference.
Was the cost of resting them (the two cup defeats) worth the price of getting them back on track? JPT yes IMHO. Would saints fans swap their win over us for three points against Brighton yesterday. I would have thought so. Northwich? No, IMHO still an embarressment and the team we put out should still have had enough to win it. But we are now concentrating on the league whether we like it or not so a convincing league win against a top three side can not be ignored.
442 worked just as 4411 worked for the first 6 games. Just as Parky said at the Q & A he and the other coaches have talked constantly about different line ups and switching players around. He changed it and it worked. Come another time, another team it will be right to change it again.
Bailey in the middle worked but was that just because he was in the middle or that as a rested player he came back with a different attitude and fresh enthusiasm?
The challenge now is the the team to transfer the excellent home form to away games. We have shown that we can beat the likes of Huddersfield and MK Dons at the Valley and draw at Leeds and Norwich. Continue that and win at the likes of Yeovil and Brighton and our expectations should remain promotion.
Nice to hear Parky praising the fans for sticking with it after events of last week.
He's right, too. Charlton fans are among the most loyal and tolerant in the league, in my experience. And not that anyone is counting, but there are now more posts here celebrating our win on Sat than there were posts moaning after either of our two league defeats this season v Colchester and Carlisle...
Teams that come to play football against Charlton, don't normally get a result.
While teams that set their stall out to be physical and frustrate, we just can't seem to handle.
Maybe now with Bailey in tandem with Semedo in central midfield, we've got a much more physical, tough tackling core to the side. And still have decent passing ability to our game.
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]And not that anyone is counting, but there are now more posts here celebrating our win on Sat than there were posts moaning after either of our two league defeats this season v Colchester and Carlisle...
No, there are not.
There maybe more posts on the match threads but you are conveniently ignoring all the other threads started on the same topic or asking for Parky to be sacked.
Bit miffed with Saturday to be honest. Got delayed on way to game as lorry was blown onto a car on Medway bridge so was stuck in traffic not moving for 75 mins. Thanks to TelinOz for updates via Text for our game. Got to ground ten minutes into 2nd half. From what i saw playing 4-4-2 & switching Bailey to centre mid & racon out wide is pretty much what a load of people have been asking for a while now, seems to have done the trick. Nice to see so many happy faces after the game as well even NSS looked positively smiley after the game.
''There maybe more posts on the match threads but you are conveniently ignoring all the other threads started on the same topic or asking for Parky to be sacked.''
Not at all. Were there lots of threads calling for Parky to be sacked after Colchester? I don't recall that at all and even if there was, it was minimal. Probably a few hot-heads started threads after Carlisle, but not that many.
There has been more traffic on here about the Dons game than either the Colchester or Carlisle games. I'm sorry if it's inconvenient but that's a fact. 120 posts here and several other threads along the lines of 'well done Parky', probably 200 posts post-Dons in all. Colchester got 45 posts in the post-match thread and Carlisle 105, so a massive difference, even when you add in other threads.
I didn't even count 200 posts on here asking for Parky to be sacked last week after two terrible performances seen by millions on TV. It was a small handful of people who over-reacted (estimated by SoundAs at no more than six people). Then there were the people who over-reacted to the over-reaction of a tiny minority.
I thought it would be intersting to keep an eye on this after it was asserted with such certainty that it would be very quiet on here if we beat MK Dons because ''it always is'' after a good performance.
It hasn't been quiet at all. I repeat: Charlton fans are among the most loyal, tolerant, faithful and stoical in the league. FACT.
I thought the noise from NU was immense, and with the players under enormous pressure, it could so easily have turned nasty. NU led the way in keeping support for the team on side. Credit to all.
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Check with admin but im pretty sure that they have stated in the past that traffic is higher after defeats than after victories and that that has been the case over a number of seasons.
Ince was also claiming Youga handled when he cleared off the line! Sure MK were on top during that spell but only because they scored against the run of play (with a feaky, weather assisted goal) which left Charlton a bit shell shocked. Still think we would have won even if we had gone 0-2 down because we had the aid of the wind behind in the second half. Fingers crossed the away form improves now!
I did. Let's take a leaf from Curbs' book shall we =- and neither make the lows too low nor the highs too high?
Good point Sco.
If you recall on previous occasions whenever he worked himself a shooting position he would always lose composure and make a hash of it.
That wasn't the case yesterday; although it's possible that the defender closing in gave him less time to think.
It was great to see Bailey and Sam back in the form we haven't seen for a number of weeks now.
I think it helped that a talented MK Dons came to play football and kind of put the gauntlett down and forced a response from us.
Nice also for us to get the breaks from the officials for a change.
It'll be interesting to see whether we can maintain that level of performance against a team that comes to park the bus; and also whether Parky sticks with that formation.
All in all a thoroughly enjoyable game; the best this season (and probably several seasons!)
With Sam's goal I agree, he had no time to think about it, just naturally beat the defender and shot quickly. If he chances like the ones Wagstaff scored from this season, would he keep his composure?
In the end if we can play like that, we won't score 5 goals every game, but there's more chance we'll win games like the 0-0 draw against Oldham. Bailey took control, Sam played with confidence, and Mooney gave Burton someone to work with and better support. We also mixed it up a bit more, e.g. Sam heading Basey's long ball to Burton to score, and scoring from set pieces.
That is very true and credit to Parky because he read it exactly right - he said on the OS on Friday that Dons would play like Huddersfield rather than Oldham.
Possibly a bit naive of Ince, because he might have been better off trying to frustrate us and choking our midfield. But credit to him : he came looking for three points (and must have thought after our disatrous week that they were there for the taking) and had no interest in ''parking the bus'' for a single point like Oldham did.
I think the impact of this game on the rest of our season could be huge. Not just in terms of lifting the team and the fans, but up front, where finally we have decent options. We can now start with, say, Burton and Mooney - and still have McKenzie and Sodje to come on.
Not sure how long the Mooney and Sodje loans are for, but while they are around I can't see McLeod getting anywhere near even the bench, once he's served his ban. And with four such capable strikers, I hope it's an end to 4-5-1, even away from home.
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Mooney was until December 2nd and Sodje was on a 28 day loan "with a view to a permanent signing", his contract with SW expires at the end of the season, hopefully if we do sign him on a full-time basis it won't cost us that much.
Unless of course the infamous Dickson saga is about to end and there is a either a deal in place to sell him to Bristol Rovers or extend the loan till the end of the season. I'm pretty sure Mooney is well down the pecking order at Reading, he's only had a look in during the Carling Cup games. I think it'll be extended till the end of the season.
Personally think we have seen the last of Mcleod. Just because he hasn't been publicly lambasted for his indiscretion at Northwich doesn't mean Parky hasn't read him the riot act.
McKenzie, Burton, Sodje & Mooney will do me.......
Agree 100%.
I had a real sinking feeling when they went 1-0 up and a momentary vision of our season unravelling completely.
The response was superb and for the reasons you mention there is renewed cause for optimism.
A pivotal match
(See? I'm not againt loanees - just opposed to the rubbish ones like Omo and the rag-tag-and-botail unfit rabble we had last season!)
Bailey was the driving force we've been missing recently. Good energy & movement from the Burton & Mooney, plus Sam back to something approaching his best.
Fully committed performances at the back, notably Sodje.
IMO, Parky & the players deserved everything that was thrown at them after the Cup debacle. They answered in the best possible way & hopefully we can now draw a line under the Northwich episode.
Joseph Jordan was the basket ball player that day. Big Jock's last day though. Would much rather Scotland lost and had a less tragic end to proceedings.
Personally think ince was tactically naive but glad they tried to attack.
Some Dons fans said Puncheon was awful but personally thought he looked good
Second half it was all us and I thought we terrific, Burton was brilliant all day and I thought he really did lead the line well. Also Bailey and Semedo looked great together, they really added some urgency to our play, the swap may have been due to the weather and the need to battle.
1st 10 minutes could have been 2 down but for some great blocks and they should have had a pen.
But great to see us come back bailey in the middle was superb.
Mooney very much an off the shoulder guy which made the decision to play him loan stirker against saints strange. Him and burton linked very well today and pressed there defence.
Still well done lads think 2 strikers in the wings can only be positive.
Lets build on this next week well up for it.
Even first half when both sides had chances (great save by their keeper from Powell).
Having gone behind to what I thought was a poor bit of keeping but having seen on TV from behind the goal looks like a very good dipping swirling shot we show the character to get right back at them.
2nd half we ran the game and they were gone after the 3rd goal.
Bailey, Sam and Burton (who was back to his early season form) were the real difference and maybe justified the decision to rest them. None of them has played that well for a while but they were the difference.
Was the cost of resting them (the two cup defeats) worth the price of getting them back on track? JPT yes IMHO. Would saints fans swap their win over us for three points against Brighton yesterday. I would have thought so. Northwich? No, IMHO still an embarressment and the team we put out should still have had enough to win it. But we are now concentrating on the league whether we like it or not so a convincing league win against a top three side can not be ignored.
442 worked just as 4411 worked for the first 6 games. Just as Parky said at the Q & A he and the other coaches have talked constantly about different line ups and switching players around. He changed it and it worked. Come another time, another team it will be right to change it again.
Bailey in the middle worked but was that just because he was in the middle or that as a rested player he came back with a different attitude and fresh enthusiasm?
The challenge now is the the team to transfer the excellent home form to away games. We have shown that we can beat the likes of Huddersfield and MK Dons at the Valley and draw at Leeds and Norwich. Continue that and win at the likes of Yeovil and Brighton and our expectations should remain promotion.
He's right, too. Charlton fans are among the most loyal and tolerant in the league, in my experience. And not that anyone is counting, but there are now more posts here celebrating our win on Sat than there were posts moaning after either of our two league defeats this season v Colchester and Carlisle...
While teams that set their stall out to be physical and frustrate, we just can't seem to handle.
Maybe now with Bailey in tandem with Semedo in central midfield, we've got a much more physical, tough tackling core to the side. And still have decent passing ability to our game.
No, there are not.
There maybe more posts on the match threads but you are conveniently ignoring all the other threads started on the same topic or asking for Parky to be sacked.
Hope its not too serious but it seems ongoing.
Not at all. Were there lots of threads calling for Parky to be sacked after Colchester? I don't recall that at all and even if there was, it was minimal. Probably a few hot-heads started threads after Carlisle, but not that many.
There has been more traffic on here about the Dons game than either the Colchester or Carlisle games. I'm sorry if it's inconvenient but that's a fact. 120 posts here and several other threads along the lines of 'well done Parky', probably 200 posts post-Dons in all. Colchester got 45 posts in the post-match thread and Carlisle 105, so a massive difference, even when you add in other threads.
I didn't even count 200 posts on here asking for Parky to be sacked last week after two terrible performances seen by millions on TV. It was a small handful of people who over-reacted (estimated by SoundAs at no more than six people).
Then there were the people who over-reacted to the over-reaction of a tiny minority.
I thought it would be intersting to keep an eye on this after it was asserted with such certainty that it would be very quiet on here if we beat MK Dons because ''it always is'' after a good performance.
It hasn't been quiet at all. I repeat: Charlton fans are among the most loyal, tolerant, faithful and stoical in the league. FACT.