A good battling performance, good attitude, showed some passion, we wanted the ball and made sure we got it.....on most occasions. Thought the team overall looked balanced and with Bailey back in centre midfield it gave him the opportunity to run the game in my opinion. Sad to see Richardson leave the field as once again we looked more solid with him at the back and he linked well with Sam. Sodje and Dailley were strong and Burton/Mooney looked well suited...........4-4-2 was the right decision and even after going a goal down we kept our heads up and played our way back into the game. There were a couple of hairy moments and still not sure about Ikeme, but he looked more assured than on Wednesday night. With Mckenzie and Sodje 2 making cameo apperances we look as though we have got goals back in the team again.....5 scored by 5 different players thats what we need - makes other teams wary of where we may score from. Not saying we are now 'brilliant' but we have laid the foundations again and from here we need to push on and keep space between us and chasing pack. Well done lads thanks for making my weekend.
Only watched online but good performance, just the response we wanted. Good to see the midfield play a lot more like we knew they could. Pleased for Burton getting a goal and an assist, more like the way he was playing early on in the season.
Good to see Parky switch Racon and Bailey around, but he hasn't panicked and kept the rest of the team pretty much the same. Now we have some good options up front we can mix things up a bit, hope they all stay fit. We'll see how it goes over Christmas but if we can extend Mooney's loan and get Sodje permanently, another option on the left wing will be the main issue, and even then Holden could be useful from the bench.
[cite]Posted By: Carter[/cite]Haha we ran that game, took our chances and could easily of had 7/8.
Bailey was the main man in the middle and looked dynamic again.
How can this be the same group of players who have played so piss poor for the last month or so
Well done Charlton
To fair though until that 3rd goal went in there was some nervy end to end stuff. Sam scored at just the right time as MK were starting to string a few passes together. After that it was one way traffic and certainly could have been more.
The first half was a real battle, MK Dons looked a threat in the first 45mins. They were greatly aided by the conditions though. As was there goal. I was very impressed with the way we stuck at it in the first half. We were playing into a very strong wind, yet looked dangerous going forward.
Had a sneaky feeling that with the wind behind us we would go on and bury them. For all their neat passing MK Dons were a shambles at the back. Gueret made 3-4 great saves.
Lots of good individual performances. Special mentions go to Burton who was immense today, Mooney who linked up with Burton very well. He took his goal well and made intelligent runs all afternoon. Bailey played like a man with a serious point to prove. Back in his favoured position and no doubt in no mood to give it up. Also think Racon looks more comfortable than Bailey in the wide role, he had much more influence on the game and seemed to have more time on the ball.
Sodje and Dailly were back to their best today as well. They had a tough job in the first 45mins , the wind made it virtually impossible to judge long balls.
Infact difficult to pick out anyone who played poorly today. Can't believe the idiot infront of me was slagging Ikeme for the goal, it was a decent hit without the huge gust of wind that sent its on its way! Strange how he was up and cheering when he pulled off the great stop from Wilbraham just after.
Well down to Parky as well. Made the right changes to the starting line up and has clearly had words in the last few days. No one can question whether these players are motivated by or playing for the manager after today.
Don't want to get over excited as we still need to get things right on the road. Today has given me belief that we can kick on from here.
Can't wait for the anti-Parky brigade to tell us how it was all down to how shite MK Dons were. Lets get things straight. MK Dons were a decent team and at times today we ripped them to pieces. I was in favour of Ince at the start of the season. Not now though, if ever a team refelected his personality......moaning about every decision, jumping into tackles that were 60/40 in their favour but shirking the real 50/50s. Would have been interesting to see if they'd all hid if they were awarded a penalty.
We were better in possession throughout, though looked vulnerable until our 3rd went in. Charlton seemed to relax then and Sam and Bailey were delivering more and more quality service. I thought Youga and Mooney were also pretty impressive today too. Big smiles looking forward to the next game now!
How as the atmosphere today fellas?
I would understand if the crowd were a little nervous to begin with.
After they scored first, was there murmers of discontent, or did the faithfull raise there voices and help the boys on?
It must of been a wonderful day to be there! Congrats to you all!
Really good performance and a really entertaining match. MKD were not as bad as the score suggests but we were well worth the win. Great credit to the players and Parkinson for their response.
Well, I take five days off from posting - and we respond by scoring five goals!
Well done, Parkinson. Somehow you lifted them and got back the movement and passing and confidence that had gone totally AWOL in recent games. How you did that after such a truly horrendous week AND after going a goal down today, I don't know. So double well done.
So what were the reasons for an improvement that made it hard to believe we were watching more or less the same bunch of players? Most obviously that the midfield started playing again. Sam had his pace back - I thought he was lightning on legs today. Bailey was bossing it again for the first time in ages and Semedo and Racon seemed to have stirred themselves out of their torpor. If all of that was due to a rollicking from Mr Parky, then he needs anger management courses - not to teach him how to control it but how to unleash it more often!
To be fair, though , MK Dons did rather let our midfield play. As Parky predicted, they were far more Huddersfield than Oldham. Perhaps a little tactically naïve from Ince but, on the other hand, after events of the last week, he can be forgiven for thinking we were there for the taking and overplaying his hand.
Up front I thought Burton was back to his bustling best. I see Parky has said he can manage his hernia and keep going all season without surgery, so I assume that's what they now plan to do. And on today's showing, why not?
Plus with Mooney and McKenzie and A Sodje (when did we last have two brothers in a Charlton side, btw?) we have decent attacking options at last. Can't see McLeod even getting back on the bench once his suspension is up.
Only two (hopefully small) minuses from today. First, one prays the injury to Richardson is not serious (even though he was perhaps our weakest player before he went off). I hope it's not one of those instances where a player comes back too soon , only to make the original injury worse and then to be forced to endure a far longer spell on the sidelines.
If it is the latter, we're far better switching Youga and playing Basey (who was excellent when he came on, I thought). We really, really don't want to see Omo again. When he arrived on loan, Henry Irving said on here that he planned to slag him off at every opportunity and never award him more than 5/10. I presume the comment was a rather heavy-handed piece of intended irony - but it has turned out to be an uncannily accurate prediction of the bloke and his hopefully brief Charlton career.
Second (sort of) minus point. We look a better side without Shelvey at the moment. That's sad - and a little bit disturbing. We need to find him a role; but nobody, including the player and the management team, seem to have a clue at present what that role should be. I'd be interested to hear the likes of Scoham and Colin Tat on this, both of whom have a technical reading of the game that I would say is unrivalled , even among the multitudinous highly-qualified coaching experts on this august forum…
[quote][cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]Well, I take five days off from posting - and we respond by scoring five goals!
Well done, Parkinson. Somehow you lifted them and got back the movement and passing and confidence that had gone totally AWOL in recent games. How you did that after such a truly horrendous week AND after going a goal down today, I don't know. So double well done.
So what were the reasons for an improvement that made it hard to believe we were watching more or less the same bunch of players? Most obviously that the midfield started playing again. Sam had his pace back - I thought he was lightning on legs today. Bailey was bossing it again for the first time in ages and Semedo and Racon seemed to have stirred themselves out of their torpor. If all of that was due to a rollicking from Mr Parky, then he needs anger management courses - not to teach him how to control it but how to unleash it more often!
To be fair, though , MK Dons did rather let our midfield play. As Parky predicted, they were far more Huddersfield than Oldham. Perhaps a little tactically naïve from Ince but, on the other hand, after events of the last week, he can be forgiven for thinking we were there for the taking and overplaying his hand.
Up front I thought Burton was back to his bustling best. I see Parky has said he can manage his hernia and keep going all season without surgery, so I assume that's what they now plan to do. And on today's showing, why not?
Plus with Mooney and McKenzie and A Sodje (when did we last have two brothers in a Charlton side, btw?) we have decent attacking options at last. Can't see McLeod even getting back on the bench once his suspension is up.
Only two (hopefully small) minuses from today. First, one prays the injury to Richardson is not serious (even though he was perhaps our weakest player before he went off). I hope it's not one of those instances where a player comes back too soon , only to make the original injury worse and then to be forced to endure a far longer spell on the sidelines.
If it is the latter, we're far better switching Youga and playing Basey (who was excellent when he came on, I thought). We really, really don't want to see Omo again. When he arrived on loan, Henry Irving said on here that he planned to slag him off at every opportunity and never award him more than 5/10. I presume the comment was a rather heavy-handed piece of intended irony - but it has turned out to be an uncannily accurate prediction of the bloke and his hopefully brief Charlton career.
Second (sort of) minus point. We look a better side without Shelvey at the moment. That's sad - and a little bit disturbing. We need to find him a role; but nobody, including the player and the management team, seem to have a clue at present what that role should be. I'd be interested to hear the likes of Scoham and Colin Tat on this, both of whom have a technical reading of the game that I would say is unrivalled , even among the multitudinous highly-qualified coaching experts on this august forum…[/quote]
Perhaps a little harsh on Richardson. Thought he struggled with the wind, I guess a lack of pace isn't going to help in those conditions. As for the injury, looked like a hamstring to me, believe he has been out with a thigh strain. Either way I can't remember a time this season when he hasn't been carrying a knock.
In total agreement with you on Omo. He has been awful.
[cite]Posted By: Floyd Montana[/cite]So, we know the players can do it. So who should we blame for the dreadful performances of the past few weeks?
No-one, we look forward to more wins - not look back to a few cup losses. We'd all be complaining about injuries had we had an extra 2-3-4 games fitted in with our league games, our eyes are zoomed in on that 2nd place in the league - it's in our hands to go for it.
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]Second (sort of) minus point. We look a better side without Shelvey at the moment. That's sad - and a little bit disturbing. We need to find him a role; but nobody, including the player and the management team, seem to have a clue at present what that role should be. I'd be interested to hear the likes of Scoham and Colin Tat on this, both of whom have a technical reading of the game that I would say is unrivalled , even among the multitudinous highly-qualified coaching experts on this august forum…
From when he was playing behind the striker to earlier on this season, I thought he looked to be in his best position behind the striker. It gave him freedom and he looked very comfortable there.
Recently though he was just getting closed down and crowded out. We weren't creating much so he was dropping too deep leaving Burton stranded, desperate to get things going. I think we need two up front in most games just to have another outlet, another target and more support for Burton. The midfield is good enough to handle playing in a four, at least in this league, and that extra outlet up front actually helps them at times. Shelvey can't really offer that, that's not a criticism, he's just not that type of player.
I'm sure he'll be a central midfielder one day, but at the moment there's just not room for him there. Semedo gives us that defensive balance, and is stronger & better in the air than anyone else in midfield. Switching Racon and Bailey might just be what was needed to do to get more out of them. Bailey wants to be in there trying to take control, getting tackles in, passing the ball around and scoring goals. Racon could well benefit from playing out wide, getting a bit more space and time on the ball. While Shelvey is talented for his age, he's not a level ahead of anyone at the moment. He's not suited to playing on the left and Semedo & Sam are there to offer very different things, so he can only really fight for Bailey/Racon's spot alongside Semedo.
Perhaps he won't get another chance there until we're forced to start him there because of an injury, suspension or drop in form. Good thing about now having several options up front and no place for Shelvey is we have competition for places. A left winger in January or Holden pushing on should mean no player is guaranteed place in midfield or up front, something they surely all need.
It doesn't paper over all the cracks, just as our slump didn't make us relegation fodder, but watching it online here in Leeds it was an excellent performance. The only game I've got to since coming to uni is obviously Leeds away, and back then I think we all saw how accomplished we looked with Racon on the left, so it's definitely the way to go for the next few games.
With the emergence of Mooney and potentially Mckenzie, we now arguably have the players to make 4-4-2 work consistently. An interesting question is if Shelvey will be first choice anymore, or is he now a classy option if we need to mix things up?
EDIT: Something I've just noticed is addressed by Scoham in much more detail
Excerllent team performance today. I thought Burton was magnificent. The way he set up Sam for our 3rd was just so clever. And great credit to Youga for clearing that shot off the line. If that had gone in we may have struggled to come back from 2-0 down. That moment could prove to be the turning point of the whole season! Well played to everybody & real kudos to Parky too. His record is now just 3 defeats in our last 24 league games. You will struggle to find many better than that.
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By the way dan, the ADU was real quiet whilst we had our winning streak earlier in the season, just what happens mate.
Good balance to the side today. To be fair MK made a game of it. Only when the fourth went in did I relax. Nicky Bailey MoM. Never stopped battling.
Bailey was the main man in the middle and looked dynamic again.
How can this be the same group of players who have played so piss poor for the last month or so
Well done Charlton
Good to see Parky switch Racon and Bailey around, but he hasn't panicked and kept the rest of the team pretty much the same. Now we have some good options up front we can mix things up a bit, hope they all stay fit. We'll see how it goes over Christmas but if we can extend Mooney's loan and get Sodje permanently, another option on the left wing will be the main issue, and even then Holden could be useful from the bench.
To fair though until that 3rd goal went in there was some nervy end to end stuff. Sam scored at just the right time as MK were starting to string a few passes together. After that it was one way traffic and certainly could have been more.
Hope we have saved a few goals for next game!
Was he watching the same game i was, so glad we beat them, never liked him
The first half was a real battle, MK Dons looked a threat in the first 45mins. They were greatly aided by the conditions though. As was there goal. I was very impressed with the way we stuck at it in the first half. We were playing into a very strong wind, yet looked dangerous going forward.
Had a sneaky feeling that with the wind behind us we would go on and bury them. For all their neat passing MK Dons were a shambles at the back. Gueret made 3-4 great saves.
Lots of good individual performances. Special mentions go to Burton who was immense today, Mooney who linked up with Burton very well. He took his goal well and made intelligent runs all afternoon. Bailey played like a man with a serious point to prove. Back in his favoured position and no doubt in no mood to give it up. Also think Racon looks more comfortable than Bailey in the wide role, he had much more influence on the game and seemed to have more time on the ball.
Sodje and Dailly were back to their best today as well. They had a tough job in the first 45mins , the wind made it virtually impossible to judge long balls.
Infact difficult to pick out anyone who played poorly today. Can't believe the idiot infront of me was slagging Ikeme for the goal, it was a decent hit without the huge gust of wind that sent its on its way! Strange how he was up and cheering when he pulled off the great stop from Wilbraham just after.
Well down to Parky as well. Made the right changes to the starting line up and has clearly had words in the last few days. No one can question whether these players are motivated by or playing for the manager after today.
Don't want to get over excited as we still need to get things right on the road. Today has given me belief that we can kick on from here.
Can't wait for the anti-Parky brigade to tell us how it was all down to how shite MK Dons were. Lets get things straight. MK Dons were a decent team and at times today we ripped them to pieces. I was in favour of Ince at the start of the season. Not now though, if ever a team refelected his personality......moaning about every decision, jumping into tackles that were 60/40 in their favour but shirking the real 50/50s. Would have been interesting to see if they'd all hid if they were awarded a penalty.
Mooney pick of the bunch for me today with special mentions to the much maligned Sam and Bailey.
Great match ...what a shame this one wasn't televised live .
A fit reward for those many miles we've travelled with the lads over the past couple of weeks.
I would understand if the crowd were a little nervous to begin with.
After they scored first, was there murmers of discontent, or did the faithfull raise there voices and help the boys on?
It must of been a wonderful day to be there! Congrats to you all!
Was great to see 4-4-2 and Bailey and Sam playing back as they should be.
It looks like we might be a side with a superb home record, yet our away form may struggle.
Well done, Parkinson. Somehow you lifted them and got back the movement and passing and confidence that had gone totally AWOL in recent games. How you did that after such a truly horrendous week AND after going a goal down today, I don't know. So double well done.
So what were the reasons for an improvement that made it hard to believe we were watching more or less the same bunch of players? Most obviously that the midfield started playing again. Sam had his pace back - I thought he was lightning on legs today. Bailey was bossing it again for the first time in ages and Semedo and Racon seemed to have stirred themselves out of their torpor. If all of that was due to a rollicking from Mr Parky, then he needs anger management courses - not to teach him how to control it but how to unleash it more often!
To be fair, though , MK Dons did rather let our midfield play. As Parky predicted, they were far more Huddersfield than Oldham. Perhaps a little tactically naïve from Ince but, on the other hand, after events of the last week, he can be forgiven for thinking we were there for the taking and overplaying his hand.
Up front I thought Burton was back to his bustling best. I see Parky has said he can manage his hernia and keep going all season without surgery, so I assume that's what they now plan to do. And on today's showing, why not?
Plus with Mooney and McKenzie and A Sodje (when did we last have two brothers in a Charlton side, btw?) we have decent attacking options at last. Can't see McLeod even getting back on the bench once his suspension is up.
Only two (hopefully small) minuses from today. First, one prays the injury to Richardson is not serious (even though he was perhaps our weakest player before he went off). I hope it's not one of those instances where a player comes back too soon , only to make the original injury worse and then to be forced to endure a far longer spell on the sidelines.
If it is the latter, we're far better switching Youga and playing Basey (who was excellent when he came on, I thought). We really, really don't want to see Omo again. When he arrived on loan, Henry Irving said on here that he planned to slag him off at every opportunity and never award him more than 5/10. I presume the comment was a rather heavy-handed piece of intended irony - but it has turned out to be an uncannily accurate prediction of the bloke and his hopefully brief Charlton career.
Second (sort of) minus point. We look a better side without Shelvey at the moment. That's sad - and a little bit disturbing. We need to find him a role; but nobody, including the player and the management team, seem to have a clue at present what that role should be. I'd be interested to hear the likes of Scoham and Colin Tat on this, both of whom have a technical reading of the game that I would say is unrivalled , even among the multitudinous highly-qualified coaching experts on this august forum…
Well done, Parkinson. Somehow you lifted them and got back the movement and passing and confidence that had gone totally AWOL in recent games. How you did that after such a truly horrendous week AND after going a goal down today, I don't know. So double well done.
So what were the reasons for an improvement that made it hard to believe we were watching more or less the same bunch of players? Most obviously that the midfield started playing again. Sam had his pace back - I thought he was lightning on legs today. Bailey was bossing it again for the first time in ages and Semedo and Racon seemed to have stirred themselves out of their torpor. If all of that was due to a rollicking from Mr Parky, then he needs anger management courses - not to teach him how to control it but how to unleash it more often!
To be fair, though , MK Dons did rather let our midfield play. As Parky predicted, they were far more Huddersfield than Oldham. Perhaps a little tactically naïve from Ince but, on the other hand, after events of the last week, he can be forgiven for thinking we were there for the taking and overplaying his hand.
Up front I thought Burton was back to his bustling best. I see Parky has said he can manage his hernia and keep going all season without surgery, so I assume that's what they now plan to do. And on today's showing, why not?
Plus with Mooney and McKenzie and A Sodje (when did we last have two brothers in a Charlton side, btw?) we have decent attacking options at last. Can't see McLeod even getting back on the bench once his suspension is up.
Only two (hopefully small) minuses from today. First, one prays the injury to Richardson is not serious (even though he was perhaps our weakest player before he went off). I hope it's not one of those instances where a player comes back too soon , only to make the original injury worse and then to be forced to endure a far longer spell on the sidelines.
If it is the latter, we're far better switching Youga and playing Basey (who was excellent when he came on, I thought). We really, really don't want to see Omo again. When he arrived on loan, Henry Irving said on here that he planned to slag him off at every opportunity and never award him more than 5/10. I presume the comment was a rather heavy-handed piece of intended irony - but it has turned out to be an uncannily accurate prediction of the bloke and his hopefully brief Charlton career.
Second (sort of) minus point. We look a better side without Shelvey at the moment. That's sad - and a little bit disturbing. We need to find him a role; but nobody, including the player and the management team, seem to have a clue at present what that role should be. I'd be interested to hear the likes of Scoham and Colin Tat on this, both of whom have a technical reading of the game that I would say is unrivalled , even among the multitudinous highly-qualified coaching experts on this august forum…[/quote]
Perhaps a little harsh on Richardson. Thought he struggled with the wind, I guess a lack of pace isn't going to help in those conditions. As for the injury, looked like a hamstring to me, believe he has been out with a thigh strain. Either way I can't remember a time this season when he hasn't been carrying a knock.
In total agreement with you on Omo. He has been awful.
No-one, we look forward to more wins - not look back to a few cup losses. We'd all be complaining about injuries had we had an extra 2-3-4 games fitted in with our league games, our eyes are zoomed in on that 2nd place in the league - it's in our hands to go for it.
Just one. or two or three of those things?
Recently though he was just getting closed down and crowded out. We weren't creating much so he was dropping too deep leaving Burton stranded, desperate to get things going. I think we need two up front in most games just to have another outlet, another target and more support for Burton. The midfield is good enough to handle playing in a four, at least in this league, and that extra outlet up front actually helps them at times. Shelvey can't really offer that, that's not a criticism, he's just not that type of player.
I'm sure he'll be a central midfielder one day, but at the moment there's just not room for him there. Semedo gives us that defensive balance, and is stronger & better in the air than anyone else in midfield. Switching Racon and Bailey might just be what was needed to do to get more out of them. Bailey wants to be in there trying to take control, getting tackles in, passing the ball around and scoring goals. Racon could well benefit from playing out wide, getting a bit more space and time on the ball. While Shelvey is talented for his age, he's not a level ahead of anyone at the moment. He's not suited to playing on the left and Semedo & Sam are there to offer very different things, so he can only really fight for Bailey/Racon's spot alongside Semedo.
Perhaps he won't get another chance there until we're forced to start him there because of an injury, suspension or drop in form. Good thing about now having several options up front and no place for Shelvey is we have competition for places. A left winger in January or Holden pushing on should mean no player is guaranteed place in midfield or up front, something they surely all need.
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With the emergence of Mooney and potentially Mckenzie, we now arguably have the players to make 4-4-2 work consistently. An interesting question is if Shelvey will be first choice anymore, or is he now a classy option if we need to mix things up?
EDIT: Something I've just noticed is addressed by Scoham in much more detail