[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]but i'm starting to have a real uncomfortable issue with 'members' who only seem to have any interest in either starting threads here or contributing to threads on this forum off the back of poor performances.
This isn't just a post-match ranting board when things don't go well, its a 24/7 community, and if some people are only using it purely to vent off after poor performances it creates an overtly negative tone. And some of the posts are plain nasty.
This is in no way detracting from another defeat and another disappointing performance.
I'm just concerned that the agenda of this forum is being set by the 'wrong people'.
Do you feel i am being too defensive, or off target ?
we're on a downward spiral as a club and have been since curbs left and this site started!!
Some people see it coming and express that opinion eg. when we were flying at the beginning of the season pointing out we had played some of the poorer teams in the league
since we've played the better teams results have turned but when you dared to suggest the above reason for our excellent start 'the everything is always brilliant in charlton land' posse get the hump ....
it's all about views and opinions and these aren't great times to be following charlton hence the mood is depressed and negative ....
no charlton fan is enjoying how poor we have become as a club but the twats who suggest that the negative posters are happy cos things are bad and they can moan are as insulting as they come FACT ....
COYR
I give you the now infamous post that after a four nil away WIN was only concerned with a player not waving to fans when subbed off. No mention at all of the performance or score.
[cite]Posted By: D_F_T[/cite]Why don't you just back off and let folk post what is obviously very topical and relevant, judging by the amount of posts.
If you don't like the atmosphere, approach and administration of this board there are plenty of other options.
In the end this is AFKA and LookOuts board and they put a lot of time and effort into it which goes largely unnoticed and by enlarge do not get much credit for.
I see no problem with having rules and regulations on posting at all - in the end, if people don't like it they'll show it by not posting and visiting. Unless they are on a wind up of course. And AFKA has not said you can't post negative comments either.
And of course there are no problems with negative comments, as much as there is no problem with positive ones. It just gets tiresome when people have a go at each other about it.
[cite]Posted By: D_F_T[/cite]Leave it out AFKA, you want everyone to post only what you deem fit. Folk want to air their views and surely that is what forums are supposed to be about, isn't it?
If you had your way you would check every post for suitability before allowing it to appear.
Why don't you just back off and let folk post what is obviously very topical and relevant, judging by the amount of posts.
As you have been told before, if you don't like the subject then don't read it!
Are Glasgow Rangers and Celtic topical and relevant...NO.
Yet Bart let's you post about that load of boring crap regularly.
I'd have banned Rangers/Celtic posts long ago....but for some reason (up until now that is) Bart allows it.....so you can surely see that he is more than tolerant, because I know how much those posts irritate him and indeed the vast majority of us on here.
Lets us post thats big of him LOL but soon gets sunk so why even bring it up ???
[cite]Posted By: D_F_T[/cite]If you had your way you would check every post for suitability before allowing it to appear.
i think your comment is extremely harsh and totally unfair. i think this board is very tolerant and thoroughly well run.there are loads of crap posted on here that aren't everyones cup of tea and I believe that afka and lookout strike a fair balance. you will generally find that they will step in and get dirty in the mud when issues go over the line and will then give a very reasoned response to back up their decisions.
Am surprised anyone is surprised that there was a lot of negativity following the FA Cup defeat - one the club's most embarrassing results in its entire history!
The fact is the last 6 weeks have been pretty poor in terms of results but more importantly performances.
The performances in particular are reminding people of those we had to witness week after week last season which was one of the worst in the club's history.
Let's hope we see a decent performance and 3 points on Saturday and I'm sure there will be more balanced and positive posts like there were back in August when 3,000 of us had enjoyed a great night out at the Os and were full of hope and optimism for the season.
I'm labelled as Mr Rose-Tinted himself, lol ......and sure, I try to keep upbeat about things and in disappointing situations look for the positive - because there is ALWAYS a positive if you look for it, but of course many don't want to look.
It's all energy. Build negative energy and it becomes a downward spiral of doom & gloom, carping and hopelessness.
You get what you focus on.
That doesn't mean the negative is not relevant. Of course it is!
But the way forward is surely by constructive comment .... ?
Then we can have proper debate.
But try looking for the positive. Or if you prefer, use the word "constructive".
Try to see that everything has to be seen in the context of the bigger picture.
Then it becomes obvious that there are always alternatives, solutions, another way of looking at things.
And all that needs to be done is ........ change the energy, change the mood.
It will be totally uplifting.
That's why winning teams keep winning. Or otherwise, losing teams keep losing.
"Leave it out AFKA, you want everyone to post only what you deem fit. Folk want to air their views and surely that is what forums are supposed to be about, isn't it?
If you had your way you would check every post for suitability before allowing it to appear."
AFKA its as in life in general. People will moan more at you rather than ever say well done. Customer surveys --- many only ever fill em in to moan never to say a positive.
where would the cyber stalkers go if they didnt post on here ?
This is a fans forum where people are encouraged to voice their opinions. Charlton have been sh1t for the last month or so and as a result there have been 'negative' threads. I personally am glad people are being more realistic than during our promotion chasing season in the Championship. I remember posters use to dismiss any concerns/truthful/constructive posts with 'chill out we are still 4th/5th/6th' then before you know it we finished mid table. I admire the optimism that some have on here but surely everyone agrees we haven't played well for a considerable time now and changes must be made
[cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite]Nothing wrong with moaning, I'm just surprised how many new members have joined up suddenly who all agree with each other.
I think about 25 of them are actually Chris Dickson.
There does seem a sudden influx of new or irregular posters expressing uncomplimentary views but that is hardly surprising when the wheels fall off so spectacularly on national television in my opinion.
The problem on this forum, be it football or non- football related subjects, is that a minority of posters have to get personal and thus ruin any constructive attempt at debate.
The majority of us, according to the membership survey, are supposed to be mature adults of 35 or older so should be capable of addressing and debating any subject without backbiting and sniping.
It stands to reason there will be more negative posts when we're going through a bad time and let's face it the football in the past few weeks has been dire. But those who are optimistic, wearing rose-tinted glasses etc can't moan at those who post negative stuff. If we all agreed it'd be boring and surely differences in opinion and debating topics are what keeps the forum going. But i don't think we should all be having a go at each other, no one is right or wrong and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I can see where AFKA is coming from but at the moment there is little to be happy about. The last ten games have been generally very poor and we are on the slippery slope once again. A manager who seems to have no clue to what he is doing, players out of position, no apparent tactics, unable to motivate. It happened before all too recently and we didn't attempt to arrest it before it was too late. This time it's been spotted early, time to do something about it.
Spot on AFKA, although that said i do think its because we have had several bad performances it has highlighted this more. also ppl tend to post when things arent going well thats just life, although not the way i look at it but these forums are a realease for alot of ppl. but does get silly, especially lately!
AFKA started this thread saying: ''This isn't just a post-match ranting board when things don't go well, its a 24/7 community, and if some people are only using it purely to vent off after poor performances it creates an overtly negative tone. And some of the posts are plain nasty.''
That's partly why I haven't posted for three days, although I've been reading quite regularly.
But it's only partly the reason. Some of the posts have been OTT and vicious and I personally don't like the liberal use of the 'f' word in many of them. But I'm at least as fed up with the complacency of the ''we're still second'' brigade - especially when they get all sanctimonious with the moaners.
I think AFKA is right in that the current general tone on here is not pleasant, and I'd say the mood at present is even more angry and bitter than this time last year when it was obvious that Pardew was destroying us.
But there are at least two good reasons that the angry brigade are angrier than this time last year:
(a) A year ago there were plenty of people on here still calling for us all to get behind Pardew and deluding themselves that everything was going to be OK and they had seen the green shoots of recovery in a pathetic away point at Plymouth, or wherever it was. AND THEY SEE THE SAME SELF-DELUSION HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN.
(b) it looked like we had come out of our nightmare and were going to have a good season. That run of early wins now looks like a freak and THE GLIMPSE OF FALSE HOPE HAS DOUBLED THE DISAPPOINTMENT AND DISILLUSIONMENT .
I'm still going to attend the matches and read what people have to say on here, because some of it is great. When we've had a bad game, someone like Scoham seems able to offer a far better technical analysis of what went wrong than the manager ever does.
But I'm not going to post again until we all accept the downward revision of expectations for this season which is clearly now necessary. It's only when we get used to the reality of another season of struggle that the debate can progress beyond its current sterility - and I'm talking about both the 'we're still second' happy-clappers and the 'we'll be tenth by Christmas' miserablists.
So both sides of the fence can now be as rude as they like about what I've said. I'll read it, with respect and interest. But I won't be replying...
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]Be interesting to see if the boards as busy if we win comfortably on saturday.
They never are and never have been.
Exactly Henry. I can understand people's frustration but at the same time, when we do play well, this board should be bombarded with praise. Unfortunately, that doesnt usually happen.
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Some people see it coming and express that opinion eg. when we were flying at the beginning of the season pointing out we had played some of the poorer teams in the league
since we've played the better teams results have turned but when you dared to suggest the above reason for our excellent start 'the everything is always brilliant in charlton land' posse get the hump ....
it's all about views and opinions and these aren't great times to be following charlton hence the mood is depressed and negative ....
no charlton fan is enjoying how poor we have become as a club but the twats who suggest that the negative posters are happy cos things are bad and they can moan are as insulting as they come FACT ....
COYR
Fair play mate.
That was pathetic.
In the end this is AFKA and LookOuts board and they put a lot of time and effort into it which goes largely unnoticed and by enlarge do not get much credit for.
I see no problem with having rules and regulations on posting at all - in the end, if people don't like it they'll show it by not posting and visiting. Unless they are on a wind up of course. And AFKA has not said you can't post negative comments either.
And of course there are no problems with negative comments, as much as there is no problem with positive ones. It just gets tiresome when people have a go at each other about it.
Lets us post thats big of him LOL but soon gets sunk so why even bring it up ???
AS DFT says if you dont like it dont read it
i think your comment is extremely harsh and totally unfair. i think this board is very tolerant and thoroughly well run.there are loads of crap posted on here that aren't everyones cup of tea and I believe that afka and lookout strike a fair balance. you will generally find that they will step in and get dirty in the mud when issues go over the line and will then give a very reasoned response to back up their decisions.
Am surprised anyone is surprised that there was a lot of negativity following the FA Cup defeat - one the club's most embarrassing results in its entire history!
The fact is the last 6 weeks have been pretty poor in terms of results but more importantly performances.
The performances in particular are reminding people of those we had to witness week after week last season which was one of the worst in the club's history.
Let's hope we see a decent performance and 3 points on Saturday and I'm sure there will be more balanced and positive posts like there were back in August when 3,000 of us had enjoyed a great night out at the Os and were full of hope and optimism for the season.
It's all energy.
Build negative energy and it becomes a downward spiral of doom & gloom, carping and hopelessness.
You get what you focus on.
That doesn't mean the negative is not relevant. Of course it is!
But the way forward is surely by constructive comment .... ?
Then we can have proper debate.
But try looking for the positive. Or if you prefer, use the word "constructive".
Try to see that everything has to be seen in the context of the bigger picture.
Then it becomes obvious that there are always alternatives, solutions, another way of looking at things.
And all that needs to be done is ........ change the energy, change the mood.
It will be totally uplifting.
That's why winning teams keep winning. Or otherwise, losing teams keep losing.
If you had your way you would check every post for suitability before allowing it to appear."
what a load of bowlocks.
where would the cyber stalkers go if they didnt post on here ?
I think about 25 of them are actually Chris Dickson.
I agree it is a problem, I can't be bothered to look at most threads at the moment.
The problem on this forum, be it football or non- football related subjects, is that a minority of posters have to get personal and thus ruin any constructive attempt at debate.
The majority of us, according to the membership survey, are supposed to be mature adults of 35 or older so should be capable of addressing and debating any subject without backbiting and sniping.
:- )
It started before he left actually.
That's partly why I haven't posted for three days, although I've been reading quite regularly.
But it's only partly the reason. Some of the posts have been OTT and vicious and I personally don't like the liberal use of the 'f' word in many of them. But I'm at least as fed up with the complacency of the ''we're still second'' brigade - especially when they get all sanctimonious with the moaners.
I think AFKA is right in that the current general tone on here is not pleasant, and I'd say the mood at present is even more angry and bitter than this time last year when it was obvious that Pardew was destroying us.
But there are at least two good reasons that the angry brigade are angrier than this time last year:
(a) A year ago there were plenty of people on here still calling for us all to get behind Pardew and deluding themselves that everything was going to be OK and they had seen the green shoots of recovery in a pathetic away point at Plymouth, or wherever it was. AND THEY SEE THE SAME SELF-DELUSION HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN.
(b) it looked like we had come out of our nightmare and were going to have a good season. That run of early wins now looks like a freak and THE GLIMPSE OF FALSE HOPE HAS DOUBLED THE DISAPPOINTMENT AND DISILLUSIONMENT .
I'm still going to attend the matches and read what people have to say on here, because some of it is great. When we've had a bad game, someone like Scoham seems able to offer a far better technical analysis of what went wrong than the manager ever does.
But I'm not going to post again until we all accept the downward revision of expectations for this season which is clearly now necessary. It's only when we get used to the reality of another season of struggle that the debate can progress beyond its current sterility - and I'm talking about both the 'we're still second' happy-clappers and the 'we'll be tenth by Christmas' miserablists.
So both sides of the fence can now be as rude as they like about what I've said. I'll read it, with respect and interest. But I won't be replying...
They never are and never have been.
Exactly Henry. I can understand people's frustration but at the same time, when we do play well, this board should be bombarded with praise. Unfortunately, that doesnt usually happen.