Uncle, seeing the players committed and pumped up for the game was one of the best things about tuesday. The confidence and passion jonjo plays with is one of the things that makes me so sure he's going to go a long way in the game.
There are idiots like the guy in one of uncle's posts who criticise players. But most of the people who have questioned whether jonjo needed to calm down a bit, only did so because they were worried he wouldn't stay on the pitch, not because they don't value his commitment. Maybe we were wrong to worry about that, but it's only because we rate him so much.
All the players seemed hyped up on tuesday, but jonjo gets more attention because of a couple of incidents. But mostly his actions get more attention because he's such a talent that he's going to be in the spotlight, and because we all want him to be on the pitch controlling the game like he did second half. I'm pretty sure Lloyd Sam got penalised for leading with an elbow but it hardly gets a mention.
We're all desperate for him to stay at charlton for a while before moving on to big things, and the fans spent a lot of the match singing his name and clapping him whenever he came near us.
He's in a difficult position. Potentially bigger than not just the club, but the league. Maybe the normal balance : where the manager guides and disciplines the player, goes out the window when you have a manager who hasn't had a great performance and a player that we all know can and will play at a much higher level. There was times I looked at him sprinting from his own half to close down the keeper. I thought, "nice one son, but if I was a professional manager I'd be thinking - save your energy for a ball you might get within 20 yards of." I wonder if Parky will have the strength to offer Jonjo guidance, for fear of upsetting him, and by extension, us.
Seems to me that it is precisely because we are desperate for Jonjo to stay at Charlton and because Uncle is a obviously a valued member of the forum, that it's all getting a bit eggshelly. I think that does pose a few problems, not least for Jonjo himself. This and other forums seem to have always had members who are very harsh and unfair on individual players, sometimes I cringe at the comments. All we can do is to counter with more reasoned arguments. But if it gets to the stage where a player is above legitimate questioning of some aspects of his play, then we help to create prima donnas who start to believe that they are invincible and can do no wrong. That for me is a dangerous way to go as it can ultimately ruin players careers.
I was also concerned that Jonjo is so pumped up that he will get a red card, and I also agree that he was lucky not to get one on Tuesday. Semedo raises similar concerns in me. Uncle is responding as a family uncle defending his own, which is as it should be, but I think we are actually doing the same thing and showing concern for Jonjo. But above all, the comment I most hear from fans around me during games is 'You've got to remember he's only 17', he's still got a bit to learn'. I'll go with that and long may we have players who are as passionate and exciting as Jonjo.
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite] I sat in front of someone last night that shouted out when Jonjo got booked " Ref it aint he's fault he's fucking bald " I didn't bite i understand football i've been going long enough to know there are idiots everywhere. I did however let him know after the game who i was
Uncle, if you follow his whole career, you're going to have to get a thicker skin, because you'll hear a lot worse than this, I'm afraid. God forbid if he ever plays for England and makes a mistake that the tabloids latch onto.
I think most of us that have been supporting the game since the days of terracing see that there's a difference between how you conduct yourself at the game, compared with how you would at real life. If I see a group of people from Norwich on the tube, I'd not dream of singing a ditty that questions their family's relationships with one another. At the game I'd maybe do it more than once.
Surely - at some stage in your career as a fan - you've said something worse about a player than "he's bald"? You surely wouldn't welcome a member of his family monitoring your comments?
Personally I completley welcome the fact that players are paid properly nowadays. They put up with a lot of pressure and a lot of idiots. But, it's part of the game. I think the players' themselves generally do a good job of filtering it out. At the end of the day they're highly paid, famous, athletes and we're a bunch of half-cut, fat blokes who've never come close to their level, at anything and have nothing better to do on a Tuesday night than travel long distances to watch them kicking a ball around. Seriously, why would they give a rats' ass about our offhand thoughts.
For all the angst this thread has caused me on reflection I still think I was right to have started it and it's been an excellent thread.
Cutting to the chase, we all want Jonjo to succeed and uncle please don't lump my views (and that of many others ) with the odd plank on the terraces who shouts out the nonsense that you were referring to...........they are worlds apart mate but in this thread the two things seemed to become one and the same, leaving some folk under the impression that we were criticising and moaning...........far far from it!
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]Cheers mate i do laugh it off believe me but i also feel the need to say my bit. I've spent over 40 years arguing and scrapping so another 15 wont hurt ;-). I think you know how much i like this club but you must appreciate my need to be a voice for what is said on here. I sat in front of someone last night that shouted out when Jonjo got booked " Ref it aint he's fault he's fucking bald " I didn't bite i understand football i've been going long enough to know there are idiots everywhere. I did however let him know after the game who i was without causing any comotion at the game. By the way mate did you get your pie and mash last night :-)
A bald and talented footballer getting some stick, trust me Uncle its been happening to me all my life so if Jonjo wants some advice from me? Just ignore it and do what you do best and enjoy doing it. The crowd is full of wannabee players, coaches,managers and directors not forgetting expert referees, linesmen and 4th officals, when in real life they bankers, postmen, dustmen, ps3 managers and chuck in a couple of idiots and thats the fans. For x amount of years we have heard the same old moans for Ambrose to Holland and Hughes amongst many others to get stuck in show a bit of aggression, a bit of passion someone who will kiss the badge, show they care, thats what we wanted. Well we now have what we wanted in the shape of Jonjo Shelvey a talented attacking midfield player, who can spray a pass or play a quick one two, can set up a goal and score a few. But as a talented 17 year old he'll be a target, as well as a transfer target he'll be a target on the pitch, you can imagine the the team talks up north somewhere........manager.....right this Shelvey youngster, he's F*****g good..........centre midfielder.......its alright boss, I'll look after him.......manager......make sure you let him know your there........So JJ is getting in there first, he's letting them know he wont be intimidated by them. He'll also be a target for some spectators,like Beckham cant be critised for his football, so they have a go at his wife, Rooney because he's supposed to be fat!! and Jonjo because he's bald. he's doing what we would love to be doing and he's doing it for Charlton Athletic. At 17 he's full of enthusiasm and naivity that goes with a teenager playing football, he'll leave the odd foot in and deliver the odd forearm smash but he'll also get kicked to F**k, he's learning his trade and he's learning with Charlton. If he does read this board he maybe thinking, I thought I scored the winning goal, instead theres' debate on if I should have been sent off. Enjoy Jonjo enjoy, one day mate you'll be bald, talentless and you wont even get in the Charltonlife team.
"Ref it ain't his fault he's bald" is f**king shocking banter anyhow, what part of that sentence is funny? Not bald myself, just think it is awful banter, people should think first before polluting other people's ears.
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]Soundas i'm not knocking you for having your say but i cant get my head round why i'm not allowed mine without all the i need to be more thick skined ollocks. I'm telling you i'm very thick skinned and understand everything Jonjo and the family will have to hear but where does it say anywhere that when i hear or read something i dont like i have to keep my mouth shut???? I'm sorry i'm not made like that if i have an opinion i will give it like it or lump it. I would do the same in real life not just on a computer thats just the way i am. If that offends some people then i'm sorry but i cant and wont change. Dont feel you have to watch what you post because of what i might say that is your right just as its my right to respond how i like .
If you can go through any post I have made where I've said that I'll buy you a very large G&T if we should meet up......I simply have never said that uncle............if you think I have show me where?
agree with uncle about each to their own. i remeber when i was younger and used to hang out a bit with kevin davies (bolton). he's a really nice down to earth lad from a back street terrace and you wont find a nicer bloke to have a pint or two with. anyway i used to hear some crap said about him and it used to grate a bit when it was unfair. it is a bit different when you know someone personally. as for jonjo, i thank god for a player like him in our team. its not long since rooney was throwing himself around like that and peole said he would not get anywhere with that attitude and he calmed down a bit and turned out to be a half decent player ;-). i have no doubts about jonjo and hope that he will stay with us for a while. its his spirit that will lead him to be a team captain one day i have no doubt. i would love it to be here in 5 years+.
I thought the ref got things about right with Jonjo, warning him for the first tackle, then a yellow for the second incident. It may have affected him in a little in the first half but flipping hell was he up for it again in the second half.
I am just thankful he has continued to enjoy his football with us, despite the problems of the last few seasons. His delight at the goal he scored was a joy to see.
What was interesting for me was towards the end of the game, I heard Dion Burton have a quick word with him just to calm things down. You could tell from his body language that the message got through. I thought that reflected well on both of them. Burtons clearly an experienced head and was using it wisely and his comment was taken in the right way by the young star.
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]I agree and i saw that with burton and have remarked how well he was speaking to Jonjo in the player ratings
I didn't realise you'd mentioned it earlier Uncle. Well I think that's great news. It shows excellent esprit de corps.
I have to say that Burton has really started to impress me. When we signed him I thought - decent technical player but not a prolific striker. Actually there is more to his game. He works incredibly hard and the goals are starting to come. Clearly he has found his confidence again.
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]Cheers mate i do laugh it off believe me but i also feel the need to say my bit. I've spent over 40 years arguing and scrapping so another 15 wont hurt ;-). I think you know how much i like this club but you must appreciate my need to be a voice for what is said on here. I sat in front of someone last night that shouted out when Jonjo got booked " Ref it aint he's fault he's fucking bald " I didn't bite i understand football i've been going long enough to know there are idiots everywhere. I did however let him know after the game who i was without causing any comotion at the game. By the way mate did you get your pie and mash last night :-)
I'm sorry to drag this back up, but I've been on holiday and just read this and I'm f***ing fuming!!!
Uncle I admire Jonjo for the reasons we both know, but now I admire you as well, because I guarantee you this. Had I been in earshot of that comment about your nephews personal issues, I would have snapped and twatted the little shit.
There are very few things that I would put my ability to follow Charlton through thick and thin at risk for. I have put up with plenty of crap at grounds for one reason or another and either laughed them off or offered the protaganists the opportunity to sort things out afterwards and outside, but had I heard what Uncle had, I know I would have reacted there and then.
Ignorance and stupidity are excuses that can only justify so much.
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There are idiots like the guy in one of uncle's posts who criticise players. But most of the people who have questioned whether jonjo needed to calm down a bit, only did so because they were worried he wouldn't stay on the pitch, not because they don't value his commitment. Maybe we were wrong to worry about that, but it's only because we rate him so much.
All the players seemed hyped up on tuesday, but jonjo gets more attention because of a couple of incidents. But mostly his actions get more attention because he's such a talent that he's going to be in the spotlight, and because we all want him to be on the pitch controlling the game like he did second half. I'm pretty sure Lloyd Sam got penalised for leading with an elbow but it hardly gets a mention.
We're all desperate for him to stay at charlton for a while before moving on to big things, and the fans spent a lot of the match singing his name and clapping him whenever he came near us.
It must be a strange dynamic...
I was also concerned that Jonjo is so pumped up that he will get a red card, and I also agree that he was lucky not to get one on Tuesday. Semedo raises similar concerns in me. Uncle is responding as a family uncle defending his own, which is as it should be, but I think we are actually doing the same thing and showing concern for Jonjo. But above all, the comment I most hear from fans around me during games is 'You've got to remember he's only 17', he's still got a bit to learn'. I'll go with that and long may we have players who are as passionate and exciting as Jonjo.
I think most of us that have been supporting the game since the days of terracing see that there's a difference between how you conduct yourself at the game, compared with how you would at real life. If I see a group of people from Norwich on the tube, I'd not dream of singing a ditty that questions their family's relationships with one another. At the game I'd maybe do it more than once.
Surely - at some stage in your career as a fan - you've said something worse about a player than "he's bald"? You surely wouldn't welcome a member of his family monitoring your comments?
Personally I completley welcome the fact that players are paid properly nowadays. They put up with a lot of pressure and a lot of idiots. But, it's part of the game. I think the players' themselves generally do a good job of filtering it out. At the end of the day they're highly paid, famous, athletes and we're a bunch of half-cut, fat blokes who've never come close to their level, at anything and have nothing better to do on a Tuesday night than travel long distances to watch them kicking a ball around. Seriously, why would they give a rats' ass about our offhand thoughts.
Cutting to the chase, we all want Jonjo to succeed and uncle please don't lump my views (and that of many others ) with the odd plank on the terraces who shouts out the nonsense that you were referring to...........they are worlds apart mate but in this thread the two things seemed to become one and the same, leaving some folk under the impression that we were criticising and moaning...........far far from it!
A bald and talented footballer getting some stick, trust me Uncle its been happening to me all my life
If you can go through any post I have made where I've said that I'll buy you a very large G&T if we should meet up......I simply have never said that uncle............if you think I have show me where?
I am just thankful he has continued to enjoy his football with us, despite the problems of the last few seasons. His delight at the goal he scored was a joy to see.
What was interesting for me was towards the end of the game, I heard Dion Burton have a quick word with him just to calm things down. You could tell from his body language that the message got through. I thought that reflected well on both of them. Burtons clearly an experienced head and was using it wisely and his comment was taken in the right way by the young star.
I didn't realise you'd mentioned it earlier Uncle. Well I think that's great news. It shows excellent esprit de corps.
I have to say that Burton has really started to impress me. When we signed him I thought - decent technical player but not a prolific striker. Actually there is more to his game. He works incredibly hard and the goals are starting to come. Clearly he has found his confidence again.
Loving the team spirit at the mo.