I appreciate that this will no doubt have been discussed in other threads to varying amounts but I thought it that important that I've started a specific thread, I hope that's OK with you guys.
Let me say that he was shyte lucky to have stayed on the park last night.
I was sitting next to Paddy Powell and he turned to me and said that had the ref been one of those who wanted to make a statement from the word go that he'd have at least booked Jonjo in the first minute,a pretty reckless tackle it must be said.
As for his elbow/forearm smash when he flattened the geezer midway through the first half....well I and Paddy were expecting a straight red(Paddy simply said "he could go here").........how he got away with it is something of a mystery...pretty horrendous in all honesty and had an oppo player done that to one of our's I'd have been livid.
Now he's only a young lad of course and yes he's trying to establish himself as a tough little fecker......and rightly so but Jonjo my lad that's NOT the way to do it.
There's plenty in this league (old pro's ) who know a trick or two so be very very careful...don't make a rep for yourself as being someone who gives out stick i.e. a dirty little bastard....far better to be known as one who can take it, get up and play on.......that's equally as good a rep/tough guy image to foster.
If you read this Jonjo....................you got shyte lucky last night fella but that luck won't always be with you, take care.
Oh yes.................. you had a good game....apart from those few moments of madness in the first half.
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?....Incredible.....in the lounge after the game two directors plus Theo Foley and Keith Peacock were in a group and the concencous was that he was a lucky lad to have stayed on.......as previously stated by Paddy Powel I may add.
Perhaps we was lucky to stay on, but it's part of the learning process and let's hope he realises that he can't make much of an impact if he's sat in the Stands and suspended for three games.
Had the first tackle not been in the first minute of the game, he would have certainly picked up a yellow.
With the elbow, wouldn't have surprised me if had seen red. Seen them given for less.
As for the Forearm, I have to agree, was lucky he did not get a Red for that. Still, at least he showed he was up for the fight & his goal was a cracker.
Uncle -- think you need to tell the young chap to CALM DOWN ! he cant do it all on his own and when he is relaxed his game will come through .
He also pointed out 3 or 4 charlton players leading with elbows when jumping, so the coaching must be a fault here.
The other funny thing he said was charlton play in the image of their manager.
few personal comments about him but assume we/he will have to get used to that being the player that he is. People are going to notice him.
I wasn't there last night but I do agree he needs to relax. Sometimes he seems to be trying too hard to impress and control the game, like you say he can't do it all on his own. He's only 17 though, and I can understand why he does it, he's a midfielder and that type of player, and he's probably controlled a lot of games at youth level.
What a stupid comment on a football message board ffs !
could have been given a straight red for either IMHO
Parky needs to have a quiet word b4 the next game and tell him to chill just a bit
not having a dig at him in any way, shape or form as delighted he's still in a CAFC shirt but we've all seen plenty of reds dished out over the past couple of seasons for those type of challenges
You say he's got loads to learn, well of course he does.......that's 'exactly' why he needs to....and damn quick.
Who's criticising his talent or abilty here Nug..........answer.......no one.
You enjoyed his goal as did we all.................but the fact remains he could so easily not have been on the pitch to have scored it...........and THAT'S the point we're all making
Who was that in reply to? And what SHG said, this site is here to talk about football. You can say you need to be aggressive and hard in any professional English league, including the Premier League. We didn't stay up there for so long by not having any aggression.
Egh????????????
Glad to hear he had a better game, but at his age should he be playing twice a week in a 46 game season? Perhaps Walsall might be a good time to rest him, and see what McLeods pace does upfront. It can be changed easily without a sub, by playing Izzy wide left (as in pre-season) and moving Bailey into the JonJo slot. It may give the lad a chance to settle down if he feels under pressure to perform, by coming off the bench once the game is decided.
I cannot accept that the victory last night was soley down to 4-5-1. The Wycombe failure while 4-4-2 was more down to JonJo's inexperience wide right than a failure of that system. Small on, JonjO off would have worked I'm sure.
This is NOT a pop at JJ!
Sorry I agree with SoundAs and said exactly the same thing to my mate last night, if his tackle after 30 secs had been after 30 mins he'd have walked, simple...it was an awful challange and I thought the ref dealt with it pretty well. Then he was also lucky with the forearm after that.....he calmed down alot in the second half and did what he does best (credit to Parky for whatever he said to him at half time)...also noticed on the ratings thread that Uncle pointed out that Burton was constantly talking to him, so I presume his 'older' head helped the situation as well.
I don't think anyone's being overly harsh, just warning him to calm it down a bit. As you say he's a very talented player and we need a player of his quality on the pitch and if he gets a 3 match ban for elbowing someone then that's not going to help anyone.
I realise no one is criticising his talent which is obvious, he will learn by experience and making mistakes and having successes. It will take as long as it takes. I'm sure last night was a lesson learned, just think people are expecting too much of him from a maturity level. Beckham, Rooney, Gazza all had lessons to learn early in their careers.
I hope that he isn't over used, he's still growing and getting used to the rigours of a pro-game and there's a risk that later in the season he'll miss games with a succession of niggles and strains. Plus I presume he'll be playing age-group football for England this season with more training sessions and away trips to add to his burden.
It's a bit early to be suggesting that he gets rested but the last thing we want to see is him getting burned out. Talented younger players - like Gerrard and Owen ended up missing a lot of football because they weren't rested before the inevitable injuries kicked in and I worry with our thin squad that the temptation will be to over use him.
And again we couldn't have argued if he was shown a red for the elbow.
I know the ref from our point of view was a bit crap. Orient fans seem to think we were a dirty side when half the time there players were just falling over/diving. But he did us a big favour with Shelvey and hopefully the coaching staff can have a chat with him about it.
Sorry I agree with SoundAs and said exactly the same thing to my mate last night, if his tackle after 30 secs had been after 30 mins he'd have walked, simple...it was an awful challange and I thought the ref dealt with it pretty well. Then he was also lucky with the forearm after that.....he calmed down alot in the second half and did what he does best (credit to Parky for whatever he said to him at half time)...also noticed on the ratings thread that Uncle pointed out that Burton was constantly talking to him, so I presume his 'older' head helped the situation as well.[/quote]
I said the same ( but 60 mins!!)
may be bit contraversial but if his first touch wasnt such a shit one ( for his standard it was) he wouldnt needed to us his second touch as a tackle!!!
Probably, though most of the time he's fine. Before last night, how many fans thought of Jonjo as an aggressive and hard tackling player? More known for his ability with the ball and his football brain.
He had a little exchange of views with Duberry against Wycombe I noticed.