I think you will find that once they have done said job that they might decide to pitch up there themselves, best not ask them in the first place as the draw of woolwich might be too much for them to resist compared with the delights of Jillingham.
Being an ex-pat you sometimes worry that you'll end up out of touch because things change at home - Well at least at Charlton you know it'll still be the same old story when you get home ;o)
[cite]Posted By: vancouveraddick[/cite]Being an ex-pat you sometimes worry that you'll end up out of touch because things change at home - Well at least at Charlton you know it'll still be the same old story when you get home ;o)
This is a ridiculous discussion in my opinion. U can't seriously expect all supporters of all ages to sing along to (and get involved with) all chants - case in point: 'we're bouncy, bouncy, bouncy....'
[cite]Posted By: FatterThanAndyReid[/cite]This is a ridiculous discussion in my opinion. U can't seriously expect all supporters of all ages to sing along to (and get involved with) all chants - case in point: 'we're bouncy, bouncy, bouncy....'
For me this post sums it up very nicely, although we are all Charlton, we all come from different walks of life and have different views and outlooks...................
As far as I know Its a loyalist song and some fans associate with the loyalist cause and defending Britain/British way of life against the IRA. I don't see what it has to do with Charlton. My guess is that the same people were also chanting stuff about Bengal. There may be a common link here.
As a long term expat it's interesting to see how Brits at home now interpret racist/insulting singing. The Bengal song seems harmless to me and far less insulting than the 'Dirty Northern so & sos' classic.
As for 'No Surrender', I personally enjoy singing it immensely as for someone who lived through the IRA bombing campaign it gets the blood pumping & gets me up for some more Charlton songs. I wouldn't sing it ad nauseum but the odd chant is fine.
A return to standing at games would solve people's problems as you could then walk away from those whose behaviour annoyed you.
I am disappointed however that a thread of this nature has arisen from a game where we obviously had one of the best away supports & atmospheres in years. Why do people in UK always tend to focus on the negatives rather than the positives?
[cite]Posted By: FatterThanAndyReid[/cite]This is a ridiculous discussion in my opinion. U can't seriously expect all supporters of all ages to sing along to (and get involved with) all chants - case in point: 'we're bouncy, bouncy, bouncy....'
For me this post sums it up very nicely, although we are all Charlton, we all come from different walks of life and have different views and outlooks...................
You pays your money, you takes your choice, I dont sing as much as I used to, but still do on occasion, if the guy next to me doesnt want to sing, his choice, but I would always try to curb any language near kids.
I love the older songs, "I know a fat old policeman", "Goodbye Horse" "Yippee i aye, Yippee i o"
I have, and do sing the No Surrender song, and will continue to do so if I see fit, if someone doesnt like it, tough, deal with it, there's nothing offensive about it IMO.
There's nothing offensive about the No Surrender song at all, but there's a time and a place for it, England & Old firm games etc. Singing it at Orient V Charlton does have the same affect IMO. It's all about choice, if I heard something offensive (eg something racist) I would try and drown it out with something else.
[cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite]There's nothing offensive about the No Surrender song at all, but there's a time and a place for it, England & Old firm games etc. Singing it at Orient V Charlton does have the same affect IMO. It's all about choice, if I heard something offensive (eg something racist) I would try and drown it out with something else.
I believe "No surrender" is offensive to some catholics. There was also racist chanting on the Hartlepool train (by one or two).
[cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite]There's nothing offensive about the No Surrender song at all, but there's a time and a place for it, England & Old firm games etc. Singing it at Orient V Charlton does have the same affect IMO. It's all about choice, if I heard something offensive (eg something racist) I would try and drown it out with something else.
I believe "No surrender" is offensive to some catholics
Dont see how, unless of course you are saying that all Catholics are Republican IRA supporters?
[cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite]There's nothing offensive about the No Surrender song at all, but there's a time and a place for it, England & Old firm games etc. Singing it at Orient V Charlton does have the same affect IMO. It's all about choice, if I heard something offensive (eg something racist) I would try and drown it out with something else.
I believe "No surrender" is offensive to some catholics. There was also racist chanting on the Hartlepool train (by one or two).
I sat with some mates in the Bournemouth end for the recent friendly. In front of us was a well dressed, middle aged woman on her own. Bit of a natterer, the type that likes to share her opinions with anyone who'll listen but harmless. Behind us was group of Sheffield United supporters, maybe 10 of them, who were down for Jolly Boy's.
Halfway through the second half this lady stands up after a Charlton foul and to much sniggering from all around tells the ref he's a "twit!". Yes that's a "twit"!
Quick as you like one of the lads behind me says to her in a thick Yorshire accent, "Sit down love - it's people like you that give football supporters a bad name!" Everyone around damn near wet themselves laughing including her.
Maybe you had to be there to appreciate the humour and timing but I'd far rather hear that sort of banter and wit than some of the rubbish that does get sung at all games these days not just ours BTW.
Not really relevant to the post but made me laugh and thought it'd lighten the mood ;-)
[cite]Posted By: PalaceHater[/cite]Organiser makes very valid points in fairness, I've always wondered why there are so many divides and so much infighting at Charlton?
Has it always been like this?
Because as human beings we are all different, with different sets of morals, attitudes, political affiliations, personalities etc etc, it would be the same for any football crowd.
[cite]Posted By: PalaceHater[/cite]Organiser makes very valid points in fairness, I've always wondered why there are so many divides and so much infighting at Charlton?
Has it always been like this?
[cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite]
[cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]
[cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite]There's nothing offensive about the No Surrender song at all, but there's a time and a place for it, England & Old firm games etc. Singing it at Orient V Charlton does have the same affect IMO. It's all about choice, if I heard something offensive (eg something racist) I would try and drown it out with something else.
I believe "No surrender" is offensive to some catholics. There was also racist chanting on the Hartlepool train (by one or two).
Jesus Christ, someone sink this please.
why sink? dont get out your pram.
and palace hater we are no different to any other club whatsoever. it happens at all other clubs across the land. leave the sitting down/non clappers alone and they'll leav eyou alone also. you'll be old eventually and be grateful for a seat.
personally i like both but there are certainly elements at our club that i have to avoid. mainly cos im worried that the puss from their spots might land on me when they get excited.
But that's the thing though Charlton seems to have a lot more than other clubs. Just look how many times the topic is mentioned on here for example.
I appreciate that we aren't the only ones but to be honest judging by the odd read of other clubs forums etc, conversations with fans from other clubs eg at England games we really do seem to have a lot less unity than others.
Curb it where have I moaned in this thread about people sitting/the older generation. Leave them to it but I think sometimes they should use a bit of common sense and move down to the front.
I also think its a two way thing, there do seem to be elements of our fanbase who look for any excuse possible to have a go at groups of youngsters ruining their day.
I must admit, there's nothing more embarrassing than when we start the "your support is f***** sh1t" and "Adams family" thing. When i first started taking my son i knew there was little point in trying to make too much of a big deal out of it and would try to move if things got too bad. Trouble is, as ever, there's nearly always one great lump in each block who's first to stand up, last to sit down and has no problem with sharing his thoughts and neanderthal vocabulary with everybody. I'm not a big bloke and prefer not to get involved if possible. My son is now 13 and even he's bored with with all that.
With regards to the thread title i don't think there's a strong divide as such just a subtle blend of people with different standards, values, points of view etc. You'd get this with any crowd of people who are passionate about what they're watching.
If you read my post you will see that at no point do I say the other side of the divide (to me) have less passion for Charlton. I said they *seem* more emotionally detached (which they do if you were an outsider looking in), not thay they are.
At no point was I trying to start an argument between the two styles of support. I was merely pointing out that I think you will be hard pressed to find another club of our size that seems to have such a divide within their away support, esp on days like Tuesday. People who says it's the same at every club?? It's not, some maybe but not all to that extent. It just seems to me that there are two completley different groups of Charton supporter at some aways and it's actually quite funny watching the difference. Not that there is a problem with that, it was just an observation.
As an example if you go away with Spurs say it will be mainly lads, they all stand and sing, any woman/children/elderly will also stand and sing. They are much more of a unit at a game imo. That said Tuesday was a decent away support and the most I have enjoyed an away in a long time.
We all know what kind of support Wall and Leeds etc will take to Orient but it would be interesting to compare us to say Norwich/Palace/Southampton etc. Noise wise we would match them im sure, but I don't think they would have such a noticable divide, but then what do i know - It was just my opinion after all.
What a fantastic evening Tuesday was. The atmosphear was brilliant and the noise was 2nd to none. This probably lifted the players to an extra leval and almost certainly helped get us back in the game.
However do we honestly believe that the Addams family song in any way shape or form helped lift the team. Before you answer that, do so honestly.
Am I the only one that finds that there is a certain amount of irony being displayed by those that start it?( not much but some)
In my opinion it surely can't lift the team and almost certainly stops some fans from joining in with the singing.
And what was the relevance of the "no surrender" song that was briefly sung on Tuesday, It's 2009 not 1999, move on.
Everyone has the right to do or sing what they like but try and think of those around you and not just yourselves.
And yes I am waiting to be told that I have no idea what I am talking about but at least I know what my singing is about.
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No. We're waiting until the home game with Gillingham in the hope their fans will do it in exchange for a few hotdogs
And the slow "CHARLTON" chant?
For me this post sums it up very nicely, although we are all Charlton, we all come from different walks of life and have different views and outlooks...................
As for 'No Surrender', I personally enjoy singing it immensely as for someone who lived through the IRA bombing campaign it gets the blood pumping & gets me up for some more Charlton songs. I wouldn't sing it ad nauseum but the odd chant is fine.
A return to standing at games would solve people's problems as you could then walk away from those whose behaviour annoyed you.
I am disappointed however that a thread of this nature has arisen from a game where we obviously had one of the best away supports & atmospheres in years. Why do people in UK always tend to focus on the negatives rather than the positives?
No we don't!
I love the older songs, "I know a fat old policeman", "Goodbye Horse" "Yippee i aye, Yippee i o"
I have, and do sing the No Surrender song, and will continue to do so if I see fit, if someone doesnt like it, tough, deal with it, there's nothing offensive about it IMO.
I believe "No surrender" is offensive to some catholics. There was also racist chanting on the Hartlepool train (by one or two).
Dont see how, unless of course you are saying that all Catholics are Republican IRA supporters?
cant believe this organiser person started this post. Most pointless after such a good turn out the other night.
Fair point, but I personally dont mind offending "some catholics" if thats their stance.
My last post on the matter.
Jesus Christ, someone sink this please.
Halfway through the second half this lady stands up after a Charlton foul and to much sniggering from all around tells the ref he's a "twit!". Yes that's a "twit"!
Quick as you like one of the lads behind me says to her in a thick Yorshire accent, "Sit down love - it's people like you that give football supporters a bad name!" Everyone around damn near wet themselves laughing including her.
Maybe you had to be there to appreciate the humour and timing but I'd far rather hear that sort of banter and wit than some of the rubbish that does get sung at all games these days not just ours BTW.
Not really relevant to the post but made me laugh and thought it'd lighten the mood ;-)
Has it always been like this?
Because as human beings we are all different, with different sets of morals, attitudes, political affiliations, personalities etc etc, it would be the same for any football crowd.
why sink? dont get out your pram.
and palace hater we are no different to any other club whatsoever. it happens at all other clubs across the land. leave the sitting down/non clappers alone and they'll leav eyou alone also. you'll be old eventually and be grateful for a seat.
personally i like both but there are certainly elements at our club that i have to avoid. mainly cos im worried that the puss from their spots might land on me when they get excited.
I appreciate that we aren't the only ones but to be honest judging by the odd read of other clubs forums etc, conversations with fans from other clubs eg at England games we really do seem to have a lot less unity than others.
Curb it where have I moaned in this thread about people sitting/the older generation. Leave them to it but I think sometimes they should use a bit of common sense and move down to the front.
I also think its a two way thing, there do seem to be elements of our fanbase who look for any excuse possible to have a go at groups of youngsters ruining their day.
and palace hater we are no different to any other club whatsoever. it happens at all other clubs across the land.
We should leave the sitting down/non clappers alone and they'll leave you alone also. We will all be old eventually and be grateful for a seat.
With regards to the thread title i don't think there's a strong divide as such just a subtle blend of people with different standards, values, points of view etc. You'd get this with any crowd of people who are passionate about what they're watching.
At no point was I trying to start an argument between the two styles of support.
I was merely pointing out that I think you will be hard pressed to find another club of our size that seems to have such a divide within their away support, esp on days like Tuesday.
People who says it's the same at every club?? It's not, some maybe but not all to that extent. It just seems to me that there are two completley different groups of Charton supporter at some aways and it's actually quite funny watching the difference.
Not that there is a problem with that, it was just an observation.
As an example if you go away with Spurs say it will be mainly lads, they all stand and sing, any woman/children/elderly will also stand and sing. They are much more of a unit at a game imo.
That said Tuesday was a decent away support and the most I have enjoyed an away in a long time.
We all know what kind of support Wall and Leeds etc will take to Orient but it would be interesting to compare us to say Norwich/Palace/Southampton etc. Noise wise we would match them im sure, but I don't think they would have such a noticable divide, but then what do i know - It was just my opinion after all.
However do we honestly believe that the Addams family song in any way shape or form helped lift the team. Before you answer that, do so honestly.
Am I the only one that finds that there is a certain amount of irony being displayed by those that start it?( not much but some)
In my opinion it surely can't lift the team and almost certainly stops some fans from joining in with the singing.
And what was the relevance of the "no surrender" song that was briefly sung on Tuesday, It's 2009 not 1999, move on.
Everyone has the right to do or sing what they like but try and think of those around you and not just yourselves.
And yes I am waiting to be told that I have no idea what I am talking about but at least I know what my singing is about.