not too worried about dropping out of the cup although it is a bit much finishing this early. What worries me is that it was not the kids that let us down but fleet gray and mcleod. The latter two i believed would be great 4 us this season
Elliott 8 some great second half saves, plays for the shirt Solly 7 The only youngster to really give a good account of himself Semedo 6 solid enough but didnt marshal back line, casual for their goal Youga 5 Some wayward passing and lazy passing let him down again Basey 6 Committed seemed to be everywhere, one of better players in the air so shame he was taking all free kicks Spring 5 Game really passed him by Stavrinou 5 Got bossed around too much but gave good first account of himself Wagstaff 5 All huff and puff, showed lack of experience, could do with bulking up if he wants to go through players Small 5 quick but nothing to show for it, bit casual at times Mcleod 5 Showed some great bursts of pace, tricksy moves beat players first half, petered out second Gray 6 Did good job holding ball up, took goodish pen which he won himself
Burton 6 Solid in what he did, mostly with back to goal Bailey 5 Failed to stamp his impression on game when he came on Fleetwood 7 A short if bright spark, wanted the ball, movement actually good and can do holding up job
I'm actually a glass full kinda guy, but it was a dire game. They had lost their last 7 home games, and were relegated from the league we now inhibit last season. It's best summed up by saying that tonight we had 11 players on the pitch as opposed to a team. There was a lack of organisation and team play. But I suppose that was to be expected with the team we put out. No-one really shone. Thommo I'd say your ratings were too high.
think Thommo is being too kind with some of them. What did we learn. Well we learnt that neither Semedo or Youga are centre halves. We learnt that Spring is a waste of space. We learnt that, unfortunatley, that Wagstaff is really not up to the job. We learnt that McLeod has pace to burn but desperately needs a goal. Small, seeing as how he must want to impress, was poor. Away from home we really need to play 4-5-1 because we havn't the necessary wide men to play 4-4-2. We learnt that the players still havn't been told to shoot when they see the goal. It was overall a poor, porr performance.
On the plus side. Solly was very solid and has a good future in the game. Stavrinou I thought had a very good game and for his senior bow should be very satisfied with his debut. Playing next to Spring you would have thought it was Spring who was the debutant such was his ineffectiveness. If Thommo thought Stav was bossed around too much I'd suggest it was because he was doing the job of two men. Gray I thought held the ball up well and will have benefitted from 120 minutes under his belt. Did well to win the pen but the kick was weak imo. Fleetwood did well when he came on and was unlucky when he wriggled his way through but stuck his shot narrowly wide. A rasping drive from 25 yds nearly saw us equalise at the death. Eliott did nothing wrong and everything right. Basey was ok.
So a few plus points but overall a disappointing, disjointed, ineffective performance.
[cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]not too worried about dropping out of the cup although it is a bit much finishing this early. What worries me is that it was not the kids that let us down but fleet gray and mcleod. The latter two i believed would be great 4 us this season
and how did Fleet let us down exactly ? And is this based on actually watching the game ? To a lesser extent I'd ask the same of Gray.
I'm still concerned we didn't play a more senior side - we can't AFFORD to miss cup runs. Orient et all will have been playing full strength teams and that's the level we're at now!
Why is it we struggle against any side especially the lower league sides!. yes Arsenal and Chelsea can put out there second/third string sides and still beat most teams, but we cannot.
We have struggled to have a decent cup run for years, albeit that we beat Chelsea a few years ago. What on earth goes on here!.
After two relegations are we still so secure that we can just turn up and win!, based on what. I notice that Wycombe got stuffed 4-0 last night so Saturday's win needs a little perspective perhaps!
If are players are so fragile that we have to rest them, ( after 1 game) rotate them then play the 'kids' . I would have thought that a winning mentality at this stage of our development was more important than resting players at present.
Sorry just do not see cup games as a distration, quite the opposite in fact, surely the time to shake things up, once of course you put a performance in!
When have we ever not lost to lower league opposition though? Even at our absolute peak (what seems like decades ago now) under Curbs you knew we would always make hard work of games like this.
Not trying to put a positive spin on it, cos it sounds like we were cack, but I'm not overly concerned about what this means for the rest of the season. Hartlepool and Orient are the two I'm looking at with more interest...
When we are knocked out of a cup, we then have a lull period, as if we were licking the wounds of the defeat. Charlton are not good at bouncing back after a cup run comes to an end. Lay down and die time, me thinks? (Especially as we are up North next)
I'm really struggling to feel at all down about this.
Of the 11 that started. 3 have hardly had a first team game between them, 2 were playing out of position, one's just signed, one's coming back off a long injury and 3 are fringe players. Hereford had 8 starters out of the 11 that started for them on Saturday so the result is hardly a surprise.
We all new before this game that the overall squad is weak so why risk injuries.
2 relegations in 3 years - cups have never been less important than they are now.
i know it doesn't really matter and i know we always get knocked out early.
But if we'd won on saturday more comfortably and then beat hereford it would helped confidence quite a lot. I wouldn't have this nagging douby of 'has anything actually changed from last year?'.
It leaves me a little deflated, especially with strikers missing chances (by the sounds of it).
[cite]Posted By: mascot88[/cite]personally I couldnt care less...
Bring on Saturday when it matters....
we know whats important.....
to take a confident side into next week.... we need another win and the belief will start...
It's so important to have a good start this season. It's about momentum and confidence and cup 'shocks' don't help. If we lose on saturday as well, then the hereford result may seem more relevant as people judge how they think our season will turn out, and the pressure increases a bit. If we get a good result on saturday though, then hereford will be forgotten.
Saturday is far more important. Although I am worried about Parky's tatical nouse as he says on the OS "chances win matches....". Feck me I thought it was goals?
[cite]Posted By: nottsaddick[/cite]2 relegations in 3 years - cups have never been less important than they are now.
With the current financial situation I beg to differ.
I just think that if we get tempted by the outside chance of a draw against a big team we will lose focus on the priority of the league, risking injuries to key players in the process. I assume the club feels the same way - I can't believe that Parky didn't discuss with his boss that he wasn't going to play the first team.
We have to realise that we are woefully short of cover in defence and that none of our strikers are ever gonna be regular goalscorers. If we can't strengthen in both areas quickly then we are in for another very difficult season. Why are people assuming we are good enough to challenge for promotion this year?
I think it was a case of wanting to win and Parky putting out a team he felt capable of doing just that, whilst not risking any more players that are too important to the first XI.
Other than a missed pen it would have been job done
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Whatever spin we try to put on this defeat it really would have been better for Charlton to have progressed. End of.
Nope we are aiming for the big one, the paint pot thingy
Just keep asking myself what we (Charlton fans) have done to deserve this continued torture!
Will the tide ever turn?
Last night was an opportunity for the forwards to show us they can do it and it appears they failed miserably. The makeshift defence and midfield seemed to cope ok and chances were created but the forwards didn't deliver (and how much are they being paid this week for their efforts?). Same last year.
Where do we go from here. Trying not to get depressed but......
Any successful team needs a striker who can score at least 20 goals a season, at present our striker couldn't score 20 between them. Parkinson can't sort it out as he has no financial backing so we just have to hope that either one of our strikers scores a goal and then gets confident to score more, or the takeover is completed or abandoned and Parkinson can have some new money or some finance by selling one of our better midfielders or all the strikers!
[quote][cite]Posted By: Chaz Hill[/cite] Last night was an opportunity for the forwards to show us they can do it and it appears they failed miserably. The makeshift defence and midfield seemed to cope ok and chances were created but the forwards didn't deliver (and how much are they being paid this week for their efforts?). Same last year.
Where do we go from here. Trying not to get depressed but......[/quote]
Harsh to blame the forwards and excuse the midfield. I didn't go but general concensus seems to be that the wide players didn't deliver and Spring was poor. Neither Solly or Basey are great going forward, so perhaps it was a lack of service. However with £3m of strikers on show against a lower league side, I'd have expected at least a goal.
[quote][cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]not too worried about dropping out of the cup although it is a bit much finishing this early. What worries me is that it was not the kids that let us down but fleet gray and mcleod. The latter two i believed would be great 4 us this season[/quote]
and how did Fleet let us down exactly ? And is this based on actually watching the game ? To a lesser extent I'd ask the same of Gray.[/quote]
Thye did not score, one missed a penalty and two headers!! But you are right i was not there and making judgements based on radio commentary and texts from a friend who was not there either .. but thats the great thing about this forum, I can make uninformed judgments that can be miles wide of the mark or spot on.
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Player ratings if I can remember who played
Elliott 8 some great second half saves, plays for the shirt
Solly 7 The only youngster to really give a good account of himself
Semedo 6 solid enough but didnt marshal back line, casual for their goal
Youga 5 Some wayward passing and lazy passing let him down again
Basey 6 Committed seemed to be everywhere, one of better players in the air so shame he was taking all free kicks
Spring 5 Game really passed him by
Stavrinou 5 Got bossed around too much but gave good first account of himself
Wagstaff 5 All huff and puff, showed lack of experience, could do with bulking up if he wants to go through players
Small 5 quick but nothing to show for it, bit casual at times
Mcleod 5 Showed some great bursts of pace, tricksy moves beat players first half, petered out second
Gray 6 Did good job holding ball up, took goodish pen which he won himself
Burton 6 Solid in what he did, mostly with back to goal
Bailey 5 Failed to stamp his impression on game when he came on
Fleetwood 7 A short if bright spark, wanted the ball, movement actually good and can do holding up job
All of us who listened to the radio know what it was really like.
On the plus side. Solly was very solid and has a good future in the game. Stavrinou I thought had a very good game and for his senior bow should be very satisfied with his debut. Playing next to Spring you would have thought it was Spring who was the debutant such was his ineffectiveness. If Thommo thought Stav was bossed around too much I'd suggest it was because he was doing the job of two men. Gray I thought held the ball up well and will have benefitted from 120 minutes under his belt. Did well to win the pen but the kick was weak imo. Fleetwood did well when he came on and was unlucky when he wriggled his way through but stuck his shot narrowly wide. A rasping drive from 25 yds nearly saw us equalise at the death. Eliott did nothing wrong and everything right. Basey was ok.
So a few plus points but overall a disappointing, disjointed, ineffective performance.
Hail the Hereford 323 !!!!
and how did Fleet let us down exactly ? And is this based on actually watching the game ? To a lesser extent I'd ask the same of Gray.
Why is it we struggle against any side especially the lower league sides!. yes Arsenal and Chelsea can put out there second/third string sides and still beat most teams, but we cannot.
We have struggled to have a decent cup run for years, albeit that we beat Chelsea a few years ago. What on earth goes on here!.
After two relegations are we still so secure that we can just turn up and win!, based on what. I notice that Wycombe got stuffed 4-0 last night so Saturday's win needs a little perspective perhaps!
If are players are so fragile that we have to rest them, ( after 1 game) rotate them then play the 'kids' . I would have thought that a winning mentality at this stage of our development was more important than resting players at present.
Sorry just do not see cup games as a distration, quite the opposite in fact, surely the time to shake things up, once of course you put a performance in!
Not trying to put a positive spin on it, cos it sounds like we were cack, but I'm not overly concerned about what this means for the rest of the season. Hartlepool and Orient are the two I'm looking at with more interest...
personally I couldnt care less...
Bring on Saturday when it matters....
we know whats important.....
to take a confident side into next week.... we need another win and the belief will start...
Charlton are not good at bouncing back after a cup run comes to an end.
Lay down and die time, me thinks?
(Especially as we are up North next)
Of the 11 that started. 3 have hardly had a first team game between them, 2 were playing out of position, one's just signed, one's coming back off a long injury and 3 are fringe players. Hereford had 8 starters out of the 11 that started for them on Saturday so the result is hardly a surprise.
We all new before this game that the overall squad is weak so why risk injuries.
2 relegations in 3 years - cups have never been less important than they are now.
But if we'd won on saturday more comfortably and then beat hereford it would helped confidence quite a lot. I wouldn't have this nagging douby of 'has anything actually changed from last year?'.
It leaves me a little deflated, especially with strikers missing chances (by the sounds of it).
It's so important to have a good start this season. It's about momentum and confidence and cup 'shocks' don't help. If we lose on saturday as well, then the hereford result may seem more relevant as people judge how they think our season will turn out, and the pressure increases a bit. If we get a good result on saturday though, then hereford will be forgotten.
I just think that if we get tempted by the outside chance of a draw against a big team we will lose focus on the priority of the league, risking injuries to key players in the process. I assume the club feels the same way - I can't believe that Parky didn't discuss with his boss that he wasn't going to play the first team.
Other than a missed pen it would have been job done
you jinx you!
Nope we are aiming for the big one, the paint pot thingy
Will the tide ever turn?
Last night was an opportunity for the forwards to show us they can do it and it appears they failed miserably. The makeshift defence and midfield seemed to cope ok and chances were created but the forwards didn't deliver (and how much are they being paid this week for their efforts?). Same last year.
Where do we go from here. Trying not to get depressed but......
Last night was an opportunity for the forwards to show us they can do it and it appears they failed miserably. The makeshift defence and midfield seemed to cope ok and chances were created but the forwards didn't deliver (and how much are they being paid this week for their efforts?). Same last year.
Where do we go from here. Trying not to get depressed but......[/quote]
Harsh to blame the forwards and excuse the midfield. I didn't go but general concensus seems to be that the wide players didn't deliver and Spring was poor. Neither Solly or Basey are great going forward, so perhaps it was a lack of service. However with £3m of strikers on show against a lower league side, I'd have expected at least a goal.
and how did Fleet let us down exactly ? And is this based on actually watching the game ? To a lesser extent I'd ask the same of Gray.[/quote]
Thye did not score, one missed a penalty and two headers!! But you are right i was not there and making judgements based on radio commentary and texts from a friend who was not there either .. but thats the great thing about this forum, I can make uninformed judgments that can be miles wide of the mark or spot on.