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Is Parky doing a good job?

edited July 2009 in General Charlton
We are where we are.

Right here, right now, Charlton are a tier-three team, with a squad of poorly-performing Championship players and unproven youngsters. Our "better" players are being targeted by "top" clubs - not Parky's fault. Some out-of-contract players have either refused to re-sign (Holland), not agreed terms yet (Fortune) or just walked away (ZZ, Ambrose) - again, not Parky's fault, but the lack of money. Potential targets have not signed yet, maybe due to the takeover talk - again, not Parky's fault.

Yet, we've made some steps forward. Mark Hudson - widely despised by many here - has been sold. For more than a million quid. And the defence has been boosted by Llera and Richardson. Ambrose - again singled out by many here - has been moved on. Charlton's wage bill will have dramatically reduced in the last few months, despite a new contract for Jonjo Shelvey. (Would anyone reading this not have signed him?).

Man United have come knocking for one of the youngsters, providing anoher selling message to local kids choosing their academy team (Tell me son, where do you want o learn your football? Palace? Millwall? Gillingham? Or at Charlton, in front of Permiership scouts?)

Parky's been kept in the dark. His assistant, Mark Kinsella, has been left to twist in the wind without a contract. He's working in a vacuum of information - maybe he knows what's going on and can't say; maybe he's being blanked like the rest of us. Charlton appear to be making it as difficult as possible for him to do his job.

So, hand on hearts, in the cold, cold light of day, do you think Parky's done a good job since we stuffed Norwich? And if not, what else could he (or anyone else) have done beter in the circumstances?
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  • ...well I suppose he could have resigned, might have forced a few decisions to have been made...
  • It's a fair question but until we know if the elusive takeover is happening or not how can we really tell.

    We don't know what restrictions he is working under or even if he is just keeping the chair warm for A N Other manager.

    Anyway this thread will soon descend into "worst manager in history" "judged on results" blah, blah, blah.
  • To be honest I don`t think Parkinson could have done anything better or worse. As you say Chizz they (PP and Kins) are working under extraordinary difficult circumstances and if PP had perhaps had a better recent record as a manager then would not have been too surprised if he had walked.
  • At this stage I don't think anyone else would have done much better.

    Another manager might well have tried to keep the likes of Ambrose and Hudson, thinking they are very good players based on their 'reputation'...
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]To be honest I don`t think Parkinson could have done anything better or worse. As you say Chizz they (PP and Kins) are working under extraordinary difficult circumstances and if PP had perhaps had a better recent record as a manager then would not have been too surprised if he had walked.[/quote]

    Agreed, whoever had been manager would have had a difficult time since Norwich and I think fair does to him for carrying on despite the board failing to back him. If I had been him, I would not have fallen on my sword (or done the decent thing as some have suggested) and put myself out of work in a market that is difficult to get back into.
  • Agree with Henry .
  • The answer to the question IMHO is no. Pardew left us in a right mess, but Parkinson did not stop that slide. He took over when we were third from bottom, very quickly went bottom and then got cut adrift. By playing five in midfield later on we became more difficult to bit but never looked liked winning enough games to have a chance of staying up.
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    Deleted for fair work reason's that's right i got a little chinese kid to type it for me...

    ;oD
  • [cite]Posted By: JohnnyH2[/cite]The answer to the question IMHO is no. Pardew left us in a right mess, but Parkinson did not stop that slide. He took over when we were third from bottom, very quickly went bottom and then got cut adrift. By playing five in midfield later on we became more difficult to bit but never looked liked winning enough games to have a chance of staying up.
    The question was deliberately placed in the present tense. Lots of things went wrong during last season, but the quesion is about this Summer. Is he doing a good job now?
  • [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: JohnnyH2[/cite]The answer to the question IMHO is no. Pardew left us in a right mess, but Parkinson did not stop that slide. He took over when we were third from bottom, very quickly went bottom and then got cut adrift. By playing five in midfield later on we became more difficult to bit but never looked liked winning enough games to have a chance of staying up.
    The question was deliberately placed in the present tense. Lots of things went wrong during last season, but the quesion is aboutthis Summer. Is he doing a good job now?

    Sorry – should have read it all!

    Whoever the Manager is I think it is unfair to judge how well a close season is going until the first game of the season so you see all of the players he has brought in, let go and how well he has moulded them into a team.
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  • A 1-1 draw with welling, no he's not. Ok a friendly but obviously not instilled the "every game is a must win" mentality.
  • [cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]A 1-1 draw with welling, no he's not. Ok a friendly but obviously not instilled the "every game is a must win" mentality.
    Is a pre-season friendly against Welling a "must win"?
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    [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]A 1-1 draw with welling, no he's not. Ok a friendly but obviously not instilled the "every game is a must win" mentality.
    Is a pre-season friendly against Welling a "must win"?

    If you are fighting for your job and have a hell of a lot to prove to a bunch of loyal yet disallusioned fans who paid a tenner to stand in the elements on a wet wednesday night then yes.
  • If the take over is successful I would expect the new board to bring in their own man like Southampton seem to be doing. The current board have still not come out and said that Parkinson will be staying following the review at the end of the season. New board, new management team.
  • [cite]Posted By: SparrowsLane[/cite]If the take over is successful I would expect the new board to bring in their own man like Southampton seem to be doing. The current board have still not come out and said that Parkinson will be staying following the review at the end of the season. New board, new management team.
    Do you think, so far this Summer, he's done a good job?
  • Hopefully his job is to hang around until the take over is complete. So yes he's hanging around rather well I think.
  • Well on the basis that so far he's kept most of the players everyone wanted kept ( apart from zz if your a fan) i think the answer is yes. I think he got very good money for Hudson
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    [cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]A 1-1 draw with welling, no he's not. Ok a friendly but obviously not instilled the "every game is a must win" mentality.
    Is a pre-season friendly against Welling a "must win"?

    If you are fighting for your job and have a hell of a lot to prove to a bunch of loyal yet disallusioned fans who paid a tenner to stand in the elements on a wet wednesday night then yes.

    Pre season friendlies are for developing match fitness.
    Pre season friendlies are for trialling new players.
    Pre season friendlies are for assessing whom plays best best with who.
    Pre season friendlies are for assessing squad strenths and weaknesses.
    Pre season friendlies are for trying out new tactics.
    Pre season friendlies are for for practicing.
    Then, and only then, is winning them important.
  • [cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]Well on the basis that so far he's kept most of the players everyone wanted kept ( apart from zz if your a fan) i think the answer is yes. I think he got very good money for Hudson

    c'mon Parky got NOTHING for Hudson. He wasn't involved in negotiations and would have had no input in even whether Hudson stayed or went. Whoever got a million for Hudson did a very good job but it wasn't Parky.

    As for the initial question. He is just hanging around waiting for the inevitable pay off to come. If he had any integrity he would have walked. The question as to whether he is doing a good job or not is irrelevant as any decision being made isn't his.
  • As for the initial question. He is just hanging around waiting for the inevitable pay off to come. If he had any integrity he would have walked. The question as to whether he is doing a good job or not is irrelevant as any decision being made isn't his.[/quote]

    I thought the initial question was is he doing a good job !!! What do you base your facts on? Why should he have walked? How do you know the decisions of the players that dont want to leave are down to the fact they think Parky is a good manager and will lead them forward. Are you 100% sure he has made no decisions or spoke to players asuring them that their future is better there than somewhere else. Behind the scenes he may be doing great in the close season but you just dont know about it yet ..... So as i said before yeah i think he's doing pretty good
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  • [cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]Well on the basis that so far he's kept most of the players everyone wanted kept ( apart from zz if your a fan) i think the answer is yes. I think he got very good money for Hudson

    Pretty much done what we'd have hoped so far. Maybe we wanted a couple more players in by now, and maybe sold a few of the unwanted players. I agree, even if it wasn't actually him that got the money for Hudson, can't say he's done a bad job so far.
  • the question was "since stuffing Norwich, has he done a good job so far "

    In the circumstances I don't think he could have done much either way as by all accounts he is working with at least one hand tied behind his back and is being constrained by the wage cap put on him by the club.

    Then again, the two players he has broght in don't instil me which much hope for the coming season. Llera was frankly non-discript on wednesday evening and by all accounts richardson is seen as no loss by many Leeds fans. I'd far rather we didn't bring any one in than bring in a load of dross - so far Parky has signed 4 players (burton, Spring, Llera & richardson) and i'm pretty sure none of them will be in the running for player of the season come May next year.

    He could, of course, force the directors hand by resigning, thus making them act ........
  • [cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]Llera was frankly non-discript on wednesday evening and by all accounts richardson is seen as no loss by many Leeds fans

    Richardson not seen as a loss - he's a right back, not the hardest position to find a replacement in. Not a big loss because they can probably find someone at a similar level, or already have a replacement in their squad.

    I won't be judging Llera on 45 minutes against Welling. He didn't look good, but he finished the season well enough with MK Dons. Looked to me like he needed to get some match practise, improve his fitness and settle in.

    Not every signing can be someone that will be in the running for player of the year.

    We've got fans on here saying Zheng is no big loss, doesn't mean he's an awful player, just not outstanding. Same has been said about other players in the past. No doubt we'd have plenty of fans saying the same about Semedo if he went, but he could still be a good signing for someone else if he goes.
  • Has Parkinson done a good job from the middle of May to early July?
    Might as well ask if Santa Claus has done a good job in February and March.
    What they both have in common is that both have been invisible, and someone else has been calling all of the shots.

    If Parkinson had any courage or self-belief, he would have resigned at the end of last season.

    If he had any self-respect, he would have already left.

    He is a lame duck. His "results" have been horrible. He hasn't earned any confidence from the supporters and gets no public backing from the board.

    He reportedly is a good man, whom the players like -- which makes him different from Pardew. But do the players respect him?
    Could you respect someone that has been put in the untenable position that Parky has been put in, and that puts up with it?

    Let's face it, Parkinson is still here because he wants the money left on his contract. He realizes that his reputation in the game is damaged, and he is not going to make that kind of money anywhere else.

    He will go, maybe right after the buyout is completed. If it is completed. And he'll end up the youth coach at Watford or a scout at Reading, but unlikely will get another shot at managing after his last two disasterous spells at Charlton and Hull.

    He has been a good soldier, but he is not a good manager.
    It is already past the time that Charlton should have cut their losses and brought in someone new that could move the club onward and upward.
  • A lot of people seem to know for sure that Parky is going to be dumped by the new owners.

    If you've spoken to them and they've told you that then fine but can you let the rest of us know who they are, why they are taking so long to complete the deal and what their other plans are.
  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]A lot of people seem to know for sure that Parky is going to be dumped by the new owners.

    If you've spoken to them and they've told you that then fine but can you let the rest of us know who they are, why they are taking so long to complete the deal and what their other plans are.

    A lot of people seem to think they know !!!

    I just wonder how many of these people they say he should have done the decent thing and walked, would have actually walked themselves, what with employment being as it is now. And who do they actually think they are going to get in to replace him. Ferguson , Wenger ???
  • agree Uncle.

    And if he had walked out, say last month, the same people would be screaming about how he had left the club in the lurch, couldn't he hang around until the takeover was complete, no loyalty, what a bottler etc etc

    Interesting what you said Uncle

    How do you know the decisions of the players that dont want to leave are down to the fact they think Parky is a good manager and will lead them forward. Are you 100% sure he has made no decisions or spoke to players asuring them that their future is better there than somewhere else. Behind the scenes he may be doing great in the close season but you just dont know about it yet ..... So as i said before yeah i think he's doing pretty good

    Now you have no more idea of knowing if that is the case or not than anyone else but could just be : - )
  • How can we make any judgements based on virtually no information and one friendly? I can merely observe that Parky, thus far seems to be behaving in a dignified and professional manner. He doesn't strike me as someone without integrity, and I see no reason why anyone should willingly make themselves redundant. Doing the decent thing also involves looking after your own family. Just realised, I don't even know if Parky has one.
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    [cite]Posted By: stilladdicted[/cite]Doing the decent thing also involves looking after your own family. Just realised, I don't even know if Parky has one.

    He does. They live up near Hull in the house they bought the week before HCFC sacked him.
  • An alternative scenario could be that Parkinson offerred to walk at the end of last season, Murray and the Board requested him to stay, to see through the transition to new owners and settle the playing staff while this was completed. Unfortunately this has taken longer than expected and the board have asked him to stay longer than orginally agreed, which he has accepted out of loyalty to the people that gave him a chance to get back into managment.
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