But Curbs wasn't manager that season. Dowie, Reed and Pardew were.
And Curbs left WHU when they were 5th on a point of principal and is still in dispute with them over constructive dismissal so not a like for like comparison.
[cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]0-9 against Liverpool. 4-7 against Portsmouth. 4-6 against Spurs. And even 2-4 against the worst Charlton team in a generation.
If we're going to compare like against like and Coppell vs Curbs:
And in case you forgot Reading are playing in the Championship and we're playing in League 1 next season.
Oh and on the subject of your hero Curbs am I wrong or did he not walk out on West Ham?
The 2007 Premiership table is not the best way to compare Curbs and Coppell, as Curbs wasn't manager during that season.
Reading are playing in the Championship because Coppell took them down and failed to take them up again. Charlton are in League One in part because Curbs left when Charlton were in the Premiership.
Yes, Curbs left West Ham. But, unlike Coppell at Palarse, Reading, Brighton, etc, he didn't leave at the end of a failed promotion/relegation season.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]But Curbs wasn't manager that season. Dowie, Reed and Pardew were.
And Curbs left WHU when they were 5th on a point of principal and is still in dispute with them over constructive dismissal so not a like for like comparison.
Points taken Henry BUT Coppell is also leaving on a matter of principle. The principle being that some of the players no longer want to put it in for him but he's too nice a guy to start pointing fingers.
Chizz is trying to make out that Coppell is some sort of failure but, in many respects, Curbs and Coppell's records are very similar. The point I was trying to make is that he got Reading to 8th place spending not much more than we paid for Djimi Traore or, if you want a Curbs player, Dennis Rommedahl. Stephen Hunt for nothing or Dennis Rommedahl for £2M. no comparison is there?
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]But Curbs wasn't manager that season. Dowie, Reed and Pardew were.
And Curbs left WHU when they were 5th on a point of principal and is still in dispute with them over constructive dismissal so not a like for like comparison.
Points taken Henry BUT Coppell is also leaving on a matter of principle. The principle being that some of the players no longer want to put it in for him but he's too nice a guy to start pointing fingers.
Chizz is trying to make out that Coppell is some sort of failure but, in many respects, Curbs and Coppell's records are very similar. The point I was trying to make is that he got Reading to 8th place spending not much more than we paid for Djimi Traore or, if you want a Curbs player, Dennis Rommedahl. Stephen Hunt for nothing or Dennis Rommedahl for £2M. no comparison is there?
OK, so cards on the table time: Assuming we could afford either manager starting next season, who would you have, Coppell or Curbishley?
Come on Chizz give me a list this long of players Curbs signed, of a comparable ability, for as much:
Marcus Harnemann -cost £80K
Stephen Hunt - cost nothing
Dave Kitson - cost £150K (sold for £5.5 million) and now back on loan
Kevin Doyle - cost nothing
Shane Long - cost nothing
Bynjaar Gunnarsson - cost nothing
Ibrahima Sonko - cost nothing
Ivar Ingimarsson - cost £100K
Liam Rossenoir - cost nothing
Curbs finished 7th in a season we had our BEST player snatched away from us if that had happened to reading in their 8th placed finish they would have faltered majorly - jmho
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]But Curbs wasn't manager that season. Dowie, Reed and Pardew were.
And Curbs left WHU when they were 5th on a point of principal and is still in dispute with them over constructive dismissal so not a like for like comparison.
Points taken Henry BUT Coppell is also leaving on a matter of principle. The principle being that some of the players no longer want to put it in for him but he's too nice a guy to start pointing fingers.
Chizz is trying to make out that Coppell is some sort of failure but, in many respects, Curbs and Coppell's records are very similar. The point I was trying to make is that he got Reading to 8th place spending not much more than we paid for Djimi Traore or, if you want a Curbs player, Dennis Rommedahl. Stephen Hunt for nothing or Dennis Rommedahl for £2M. no comparison is there?
OK, so cards on the table time: Assuming we could afford either manager starting next season, who would you have, Coppell or Curbishley?
Coppell because I don't think you can go backwards AND as Oggy et al have said we would see attacking football. And yes that might mean we would lose the odd game 6-4 but it would also mean that would win a few 5-1 as well. Both would probably get us out of League 1 imho.
Coppel walked as he only got Reading into the Play-Off Semi-------------but he walked.
He could have stayed about after finishing 11th in the same league--pissing millions up the wall, and held out for £700,000 from a club with no cash. He could have hid for two years and done f--K all and then take the team down 13 points adrift of saftey, but still stay on.
OK, so cards on the table time: Assuming we could afford either manager starting next season, who would you have, Coppell or Curbishley?
Curbishley like a shot. Better sustained record with less resources.
Not saying Coppell is rubbish as I think his record, while mixed, is still good.
Less resources? Have you taken a look at that list of players Henry? In the seasons 2004/5 and 2005/6 Coppell spent the grand total of £1.25M and that was on two players, one of which was Leroy Lita for £1M. And he was hardly a failure was he?
[cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
OK, so cards on the table time: Assuming we could afford either manager starting next season, who would you have, Coppell or Curbishley?
I'm not having a go at Coppell. Got a lot of time for him but the question was Curbs or Coppell and IMHO Curbs is the better manager with the better record. End of. He is also younger.
Madjeski pumped a lot of money into Reading. If Curbs spent money it was often money he had helped generate through our continuing presence in the top flight and the sale of players he had helped bring through such as Bowyer, Parker, Mills.
Curbs was/is not perfect but let's not re-write history now to make out that he was a terrible manager when he bought the likes of Mendonca and Bent.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Come on Chizz give me a list this long of players Curbs signed, of a comparable ability, for as much:
Marcus Harnemann -cost £80K
Stephen Hunt - cost nothing
Dave Kitson - cost £150K (sold for £5.5 million) and now back on loan
Kevin Doyle - cost nothing
Shane Long - cost nothing
Bynjaar Gunnarsson - cost nothing
Ibrahima Sonko - cost nothing
Ivar Ingimarsson - cost £100K
Liam Rossenoir - cost nothing
Coppell's record isn't totally without blemish is it? Emerse Faé? Signed for £2.5m. Played eight games. Now signed by Nice for nothing.
If being a manager is only about signing players for not much money, then we should consider:
Richard Rufus, Steve Brown, Mark Kinsella, John Robinson, Chris Powell, Keith Jones, Kevin Lisbie, John Barnes, Andy Hunt, Paul Konchesky, Scott Parker (£10m+ profit)...
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]But Curbs wasn't manager that season. Dowie, Reed and Pardew were.
And Curbs left WHU when they were 5th on a point of principal and is still in dispute with them over constructive dismissal so not a like for like comparison.
Points taken Henry BUT Coppell is also leaving on a matter of principle. The principle being that some of the players no longer want to put it in for him but he's too nice a guy to start pointing fingers.
Chizz is trying to make out that Coppell is some sort of failure but, in many respects, Curbs and Coppell's records are very similar. The point I was trying to make is that he got Reading to 8th place spending not much more than we paid for Djimi Traore or, if you want a Curbs player, Dennis Rommedahl. Stephen Hunt for nothing or Dennis Rommedahl for £2M. no comparison is there?
OK, so cards on the table time: Assuming we could afford either manager starting next season, who would you have, Coppell or Curbishley?
Coppell because I don't think you can go backwards AND as Oggy et al have said we would see attacking football. And yes that might mean we would lose the odd game 6-4 but it would also mean that would win a few 5-1 as well. Both would probably get us out of League 1 imho.
OK, you got that wrong, so I will give you another chance. If you were John Madjeski, would you persuade Coppell to change his mind, or get on the phone to Curbs?
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]I'm not having a go at Coppell. Got a lot of time for him but the question was Curbs or Coppell and IMHO Curbs is the better manager with the better record. End of. He is also younger.
Madjeski pumped a lot of money into Reading. If Curbs spent money it was often money he had helped generate through our continuing presence in the top flight and the sale of players he had helped bring through such as Bowyer, Parker, Mills.
Curbs was/is not perfect but let's not re-write history now to make out that he was a terrible manager when he bought the likes of Mendonca and Bent.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]I'm not having a go at Coppell. Got a lot of time for him but the question was Curbs or Coppell and IMHO Curbs is the better manager with the better record. End of. He is also younger.
Madjeski pumped a lot of money into Reading. If Curbs spent money it was often money he had helped generate through our continuing presence in the top flight and the sale of players he had helped bring through such as Bowyer, Parker, Mills.
Curbs was/is not perfect but let's not re-write history now to make out that he was a terrible manager when he bought the likes of Mendonca and Bent.
Where did I say Curbs was a terrible Manager? I would just prefer Coppell for the reasons I've said.
Oh and I had to have a little chuckle at the Curbs is a younger Manager bit:
Chizz - if I was the Reading chairman I'd probably get on the phone to Curbs. Purely for the reasons I've said and that is that you can't go back. I would still prefer Coppell's brand of football though any day.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Chizz - if I was the Reading chairman I'd probably get on the phone to Curbs. Purely for the reasons I've said and that is that you can't go back. I would still prefer Coppell's brand of football though any day.
So, as Reading's Chairman, you would go for Curbs. But you would still prefer Coppell at Charlton. Got it.
[cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]but he is younger!
Dazzler you are, of course, quite right. BUT, trust me, as someone of a comparable age to those two, 18 months age difference doesn't count for too much at that age. Just ask the likes of Messrs Ferguson, Wenger and Hiddink who are all a lot more than 18 moths older than Coppell.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Chizz - if I was the Reading chairman I'd probably get on the phone to Curbs. Purely for the reasons I've said and that is that you can't go back. I would still prefer Coppell's brand of football though any day.
So, as Reading's Chairman, you would go for Curbs. But you would still prefer Coppell at Charlton. Got it.
How funny would it be if people got their wish and PP was poached by Reading and then went on to make them CCC champions next season while we struggled in Tier Three?
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And Curbs left WHU when they were 5th on a point of principal and is still in dispute with them over constructive dismissal so not a like for like comparison.
The 2007 Premiership table is not the best way to compare Curbs and Coppell, as Curbs wasn't manager during that season.
Reading are playing in the Championship because Coppell took them down and failed to take them up again. Charlton are in League One in part because Curbs left when Charlton were in the Premiership.
Yes, Curbs left West Ham. But, unlike Coppell at Palarse, Reading, Brighton, etc, he didn't leave at the end of a failed promotion/relegation season.
Points taken Henry BUT Coppell is also leaving on a matter of principle. The principle being that some of the players no longer want to put it in for him but he's too nice a guy to start pointing fingers.
Chizz is trying to make out that Coppell is some sort of failure but, in many respects, Curbs and Coppell's records are very similar. The point I was trying to make is that he got Reading to 8th place spending not much more than we paid for Djimi Traore or, if you want a Curbs player, Dennis Rommedahl. Stephen Hunt for nothing or Dennis Rommedahl for £2M. no comparison is there?
OK, so cards on the table time: Assuming we could afford either manager starting next season, who would you have, Coppell or Curbishley?
Holloway 5 - 1
Curbishley 5 - 1
Boothroyd 5 - 1
Ince 6 - 1
Dowie 8 - 1
Pardew 10 - 1
Souness 12 - 1
Hoddle 12 - 1
Marcus Harnemann -cost £80K
Stephen Hunt - cost nothing
Dave Kitson - cost £150K (sold for £5.5 million) and now back on loan
Kevin Doyle - cost nothing
Shane Long - cost nothing
Bynjaar Gunnarsson - cost nothing
Ibrahima Sonko - cost nothing
Ivar Ingimarsson - cost £100K
Liam Rossenoir - cost nothing
So, no Sanchez then? The quickly-thickening plot thickens further.
Coppell because I don't think you can go backwards AND as Oggy et al have said we would see attacking football. And yes that might mean we would lose the odd game 6-4 but it would also mean that would win a few 5-1 as well. Both would probably get us out of League 1 imho.
He could have stayed about after finishing 11th in the same league--pissing millions up the wall, and held out for £700,000 from a club with no cash.
He could have hid for two years and done f--K all and then take the team down 13 points adrift of saftey, but still stay on.
Less resources? Have you taken a look at that list of players Henry? In the seasons 2004/5 and 2005/6 Coppell spent the grand total of £1.25M and that was on two players, one of which was Leroy Lita for £1M. And he was hardly a failure was he?
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Madjeski pumped a lot of money into Reading. If Curbs spent money it was often money he had helped generate through our continuing presence in the top flight and the sale of players he had helped bring through such as Bowyer, Parker, Mills.
Curbs was/is not perfect but let's not re-write history now to make out that he was a terrible manager when he bought the likes of Mendonca and Bent.
Coppell's record isn't totally without blemish is it? Emerse Faé? Signed for £2.5m. Played eight games. Now signed by Nice for nothing.
If being a manager is only about signing players for not much money, then we should consider:
Richard Rufus, Steve Brown, Mark Kinsella, John Robinson, Chris Powell, Keith Jones, Kevin Lisbie, John Barnes, Andy Hunt, Paul Konchesky, Scott Parker (£10m+ profit)...
OK, you got that wrong, so I will give you another chance. If you were John Madjeski, would you persuade Coppell to change his mind, or get on the phone to Curbs?
Where did I say Curbs was a terrible Manager? I would just prefer Coppell for the reasons I've said.
Oh and I had to have a little chuckle at the Curbs is a younger Manager bit:
Curbs - DOB 8/11/57
Coppell - DOB 9/7/55
There's 18 months between them!
But before that I would ring the Geordie Smiler and offer £1m compensation for Parkinson;s contract so he could be the next Royals manager.
Dazzler you are, of course, quite right. BUT, trust me, as someone of a comparable age to those two, 18 months age difference doesn't count for too much at that age. Just ask the likes of Messrs Ferguson, Wenger and Hiddink who are all a lot more than 18 moths older than Coppell.
I knew it wouldn't take you long to do so.
Coppell - DOB 9/7/55
ShootersHillGuru - DOB 2/2/56
I think the compromise choice would be obvious ;0)