[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]You don't have to win shedloads of trophies to be a good manager - it depends how you manage under the circumstances you are in. By this reasoning, you'd probably argue Dario Gradi wasn't a good manager.
Dario Gradi is a good manager, if you're looking to keep a club ticking over, permanently in the lower reaches of the Football League.
[cite]Posted By: TelinOz[/cite]...he has the right credentials...
I don't get it!What credentials? On average, he walks away from a managerial role with the club in a slightly worse position than when he took over.
Well, he is largely responsible for the most successful period in Reading's history. You cannot argue that they are in a worse position now than 6 years ago.
Although he has walked out of the jobs of his own accord, this is rather refreshing given the records of our current and previous manager.
[cite]Posted By: Cipollini[/cite]I'd be well chuffed if we landed Coppell. His teams always play attractive football and he has got a great track record in the Championship.
...but often with teams he's taken down from the Premiership.
[cite]Posted By: Cipollini[/cite]I don't think he can be blamed too harshly for Reading being relegated from the Premiership. He didn't get much financial backing from his Chairman.
Maybe you're right. He'd do really well with the almost-unlimited financial backing available at Charlton.
maybe of more importance here is can we offload Parky onto them. He's an experienced Championship Manager (albeit useless) and a Reading legend. Go on John, you know it makes sense. Blimey we could also insist on some compensation and actually make on it.
Posted By: Cipollini I don't think he can be blamed too harshly for Reading being relegated from the Premiership. He didn't get much financial backing from his Chairman.
Maybe you're right. He'd do really well with the almost-unlimited financial backing available at Charlton.
Let's take one step at at time! He's got a great record of getting teams promoted from the lower leagues, which IMO is what we need at the moment.
I take your point about him failing to keep an underfunded team in the Premiership, but I would rather be struggling in the Premiership in a couple of years than rotiing in mid table League 1 obscurity for the next decade.
[cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]I don't buy into the general Coppell love-in. He's managed teams in more than 1,000 games but has he picked up many trophies?
25 years, the ZDS trophy, 3 promotions, 4 relegations.
How many trophies have we won in the last 25 years? And how much have we spent by comparison in the last few years?
Let's look at some of Coppell's signings:
Marcus Harnemann -cost £80K
Stephen Hunt - cost nothing
Dave Kitson - cost £150K (sold for £5.5 million) and now back on loan
Kevin Doyle - cost nothing
Shane Long - cost nothing
Bynjaar Gunnarsson - cost nothing
Ibrahima Sonko - cost nothing
Ivar Ingimarsson - cost £100K
Liam Rossenoir - cost nothing
Coppell built a Championship winning team spending next to nothing. Is that not something we're looking for?
Finally, on the subject of "honesty" would Messrs Pardew and Dowie have walked if they "failed" by that margin? Perhaps some people prefer bullshit to honesty.
[cite]Posted By: Cipollini[/cite]Posted By: Cipollini
I don't think he can be blamed too harshly for Reading being relegated from the Premiership. He didn't get much financial backing from his Chairman.
Maybe you're right. He'd do really well with the almost-unlimited financial backing available at Charlton.
Let's take one step at at time! He's got a great record of getting teams promoted from the lower leagues, which IMO is what we need at the moment.
I take your point about him failing to keep an underfunded team in the Premiership, but I would rather be struggling in the Premiership in a couple of years than rotiing in mid table League 1 obscurity for the next decade.
But he didn't leave teams struggling in the Premiership. And, yet again, he's walked away from a team on the crest of a slump.
If Parkinsella were not retained and Coppell was to become the next manager at Charlton, he'd grab this club by the scruff of the neck and run it like Curbs did.
The side would be balanced, disciplined, organised, playing to an effective system, wingplay, goals.
No siree, in fact i'll drive my little punto to wherever Parky is now to pick him up and take him back home where he can stay for good IF AND ONLY IF we can afford a manager of Coppell's calibre.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]
Coppell built a Championship winning team spending next to nothing.
...and then rapidly dismantled it.
It seems to me that, in Reading's position (managerless, in urgent need of stability, no money to buy new players, desperately needing to get a quick promotion) there's one obvious candidate.
They need someone with plenty of Championship and Premiership experience someone who has won promotion via the Play Offs as well as by winning the Championship title and someone who has walked away from his last two managerial jobs and not been sacked. Step forward... Steve Coppell!
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]If Parkinsella were not retained and Coppell was to become the next manager at Charlton, he'd grab this club by the scruff of the neck and run it like Curbs did.
The side would be balanced, disciplined, organised, playing to an effective system, wingplay, goals.
Would people have a problem with that ..... ?
I certainly wouldn't. As long as he - or anyone - managed to get promotions to stick. And that seems to be Coppell's biggest problem.
If all the hype / rumours / lies about our alleged takeover means PP is a dead man walking are true, then I suspect they (new owners) must have a man in mind. which can`t include Coppell can it.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]
Coppell built a Championship winning team spending next to nothing.
...and then rapidly dismantled it.
It seems to me that, in Reading's position (managerless, in urgent need of stability, no money to buy new players, desperately needing to get a quick promotion) there's one obvious candidate.
They need someone with plenty of Championship and Premiership experience someone who has won promotion via the Play Offs as well as by winning the Championship title and someone who has walked away from his last two managerial jobs and not been sacked. Step forward... Steve Coppell!
Chizz you clearly don't see the point. He spent nothing on a team that finished 8th in their first season in the Premiership playing attractive attacking football. He did not dismantle it but certain players (the likes of Stephen Hunt) got delusions of grandeur and when their big move (in Hunt's case to Everton) didn't materialise they downed tools.
Perhaps you should look at some of the players we've signed in the last few years for decent money and vent your anger at those responsible for that rather than critising someone with a record for "success" on a nil budget.
Perhaps Pards or Dowie would suit you better and then we could re-sign the likes of Djimi Traore for £2M.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]
Coppell built a Championship winning team spending next to nothing.
...and then rapidly dismantled it.
It seems to me that, in Reading's position (managerless, in urgent need of stability, no money to buy new players, desperately needing to get a quick promotion) there's one obvious candidate.
They need someone with plenty of Championship and Premiership experience someone who has won promotion via the Play Offs as well as by winning the Championship title and someone who has walked away from his last two managerial jobs and not been sacked. Step forward... Steve Coppell!
Chizz you clearly don't see the point. He spent nothing on a team that finished 8th in their first season in the Premiership playing attractive attacking football. He did not dismantle it but certain players (the likes of Stephen Hunt) got delusions of grandeur and when their big move (in Hunt's case to Everton) didn't materialise they downed tools.
Perhaps you should look at some of the players we've signed in the last few years for decent money and vent your anger at those responsible for that rather than critising someone with a record for "success" on a nil budget.
Perhaps Pards or Dowie would suit you better and then we could re-sign the likes of Djimi Traore for £2M.
Well there's one thing we agree on: and that is I don't get it!
Let me try and sum it up like this. If your manager walks away from your club, do you want him to leave them in Reading's position now (ie having failed to get promotion) or where Charlton were when Curbs walked away (ie in the Premiership)?
For me, Coppell's not fit to tie Curbs' bootlaces.
As I say whether it be true or not is another question, but plenty of people have spotted him at our games this season. Could be the NI connection as well?
[cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]0-9 against Liverpool. 4-7 against Portsmouth. 4-6 against Spurs. And even 2-4 against the worst Charlton team in a generation.
If we're going to compare like against like and Coppell vs Curbs:
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]
Finally, on the subject of "honesty" would Messrs Pardew and Dowie have walked if they "failed" by that margin? Perhaps some people prefer bullshit to honesty.
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SSN: So what do you think abouts the rumours of Curbs being your new manager?
Reading Bloke: I wouldn't be very happy to be honest, Curbs is yesterdays news in my view!
What a prize twat!
Well, he is largely responsible for the most successful period in Reading's history. You cannot argue that they are in a worse position now than 6 years ago.
Although he has walked out of the jobs of his own accord, this is rather refreshing given the records of our current and previous manager.
Who was he and where does he live AK47 at the ready!
Maybe you're right. He'd do really well with the almost-unlimited financial backing available at Charlton.
On they plus side - He walks away -So no paying up of contracts ? :-)
Oh right, it makes sense then. Let's sign him up as long as it doesn't cost us anything to get rid of him!
I don't think he can be blamed too harshly for Reading being relegated from the Premiership. He didn't get much financial backing from his Chairman.
Maybe you're right. He'd do really well with the almost-unlimited financial backing available at Charlton.
Let's take one step at at time! He's got a great record of getting teams promoted from the lower leagues, which IMO is what we need at the moment.
I take your point about him failing to keep an underfunded team in the Premiership, but I would rather be struggling in the Premiership in a couple of years than rotiing in mid table League 1 obscurity for the next decade.
How many trophies have we won in the last 25 years? And how much have we spent by comparison in the last few years?
Let's look at some of Coppell's signings:
Marcus Harnemann -cost £80K
Stephen Hunt - cost nothing
Dave Kitson - cost £150K (sold for £5.5 million) and now back on loan
Kevin Doyle - cost nothing
Shane Long - cost nothing
Bynjaar Gunnarsson - cost nothing
Ibrahima Sonko - cost nothing
Ivar Ingimarsson - cost £100K
Liam Rossenoir - cost nothing
Coppell built a Championship winning team spending next to nothing. Is that not something we're looking for?
Finally, on the subject of "honesty" would Messrs Pardew and Dowie have walked if they "failed" by that margin? Perhaps some people prefer bullshit to honesty.
But he didn't leave teams struggling in the Premiership. And, yet again, he's walked away from a team on the crest of a slump.
As a manager, you simply can't compare Parky to Coppell so the answer to that has to be yes.
For that reason, the board should be at least making enqueries. Doubt it would come to anything but we should at least sound him out.
The side would be balanced, disciplined, organised, playing to an effective system, wingplay, goals.
Would people have a problem with that ..... ?
It seems to me that, in Reading's position (managerless, in urgent need of stability, no money to buy new players, desperately needing to get a quick promotion) there's one obvious candidate.
They need someone with plenty of Championship and Premiership experience someone who has won promotion via the Play Offs as well as by winning the Championship title and someone who has walked away from his last two managerial jobs and not been sacked. Step forward... Steve Coppell!
I certainly wouldn't. As long as he - or anyone - managed to get promotions to stick. And that seems to be Coppell's biggest problem.
Chizz you clearly don't see the point. He spent nothing on a team that finished 8th in their first season in the Premiership playing attractive attacking football. He did not dismantle it but certain players (the likes of Stephen Hunt) got delusions of grandeur and when their big move (in Hunt's case to Everton) didn't materialise they downed tools.
Perhaps you should look at some of the players we've signed in the last few years for decent money and vent your anger at those responsible for that rather than critising someone with a record for "success" on a nil budget.
Perhaps Pards or Dowie would suit you better and then we could re-sign the likes of Djimi Traore for £2M.
OMG.............Its Hoddle !
Lawrie Sanchez?
Well there's one thing we agree on: and that is I don't get it!
Let me try and sum it up like this. If your manager walks away from your club, do you want him to leave them in Reading's position now (ie having failed to get promotion) or where Charlton were when Curbs walked away (ie in the Premiership)?
For me, Coppell's not fit to tie Curbs' bootlaces.
As I say whether it be true or not is another question, but plenty of people have spotted him at our games this season. Could be the NI connection as well?
Ho ho ho
He He He
Stevie Coppell's got...
If we're going to compare like against like and Coppell vs Curbs:
P HW HD HL HGF HGA AW AD AL AGF AGA Points GD
Man Utd 38 15 2 2 46 12 13 3 3 37 15 89 +56
Chelsea 38 12 7 0 37 11 12 4 3 27 13 83 +40
Liverpool 38 14 4 1 39 7 6 4 9 18 20 68 +30
Arsenal 38 12 6 1 43 16 7 5 7 20 19 68 +28
Tottenham 38 12 3 4 34 22 5 6 8 23 32 60 +3
Everton 38 11 4 4 33 17 4 9 6 19 19 58 +16
Bolton 38 9 5 5 26 20 7 3 9 21 32 56 -5
Reading 38 11 2 6 29 20 5 5 9 23 27 55 +5
Portsmouth 38 11 5 3 28 15 3 7 9 17 27 54 +3
Blackburn 38 9 3 7 31 25 6 4 9 21 29 52 -2
Aston Villa 38 7 8 4 20 14 4 9 6 23 27 50 +2
Middlesbro 38 10 3 6 31 24 2 7 10 13 25 46 -5
Newcastle 38 7 7 5 23 20 4 3 12 15 27 43 -9
Man City 38 5 6 8 10 16 6 3 10 19 28 42 -15
West Ham 38 8 2 9 24 26 4 3 12 11 33 41 -24
Fulham 38 7 7 5 18 18 1 8 10 20 42 39 -22
Wigan 38 5 4 10 18 30 5 4 10 19 29 38 -22
Sheff Utd 38 7 6 6 24 21 3 2 14 8 34 38 -23
Charlton 38 7 5 7 19 20 1 5 13 15 40 34 -26
Watford 38 3 9 7 19 25 2 4 13 10 34
And in case you forgot Reading are playing in the Championship and we're playing in League 1 next season.
Oh and on the subject of your hero Curbs am I wrong or did he not walk out on West Ham?