I'm mindful of the fact that he has gained experience, the experiences are pretty extreme and varied, and he will have learnt a lot. He's still learning, as does any other manager, but do we just chuck that experience away? Given that we gambled and lost control of costs, costs are now the number one priority. All in all, I'm tending to the stick with him side. Is there anyone who knows what the players opinions are, that's something I'd dearly like to know?
The scenario for keeping with Parkinson for this season has been put forward that after 10 games we should have 30 points. So we have made a good start, with 6 out of 6 and the tide seems to be turning for himwith many an anti PP now agreeing that he should be given a chance.
However, what if we have injuries to say Llera, Dailley, Baily and Burton and PP's not allowed to bring in new players resulting in a drop of form and we have only 18 points by game 10. Does he stay or does he go? Do the fans cheer him or boo him?
[cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]However, what if we have injuries to say Llera, Dailley, Baily and Burton and PP's not allowed to bring in new players resulting in a drop of form and we have only 18 points by game 10. Does he stay or does he go? Do the fans cheer him or boo him?
I think that scenario would see all the pressure directed at the board not the manager, especially if there's no takeover.
[cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]However, what if we have injuries to say Llera, Dailley, Baily and Burton and PP's not allowed to bring in new players resulting in a drop of form and we have only 18 points by game 10. Does he stay or does he go? Do the fans cheer him or boo him?
No manager would do any better in that sort of situation so we would have to stay. Changing manager won't give the squad more depth or magically make the squad injury free. It's down to the board to get things sorted out so we can bring in 3 or 4 players so that won't be a problem if it happens.
We'd all like a bigger and better squad but i bet we're no different to any other team in this or any other division. They're all operating with smaller squads on shorter contracts etc. The fact that we have so far managed to hold on to some of our prized posessions means we must be doing something right and Parky must take some of the credit for that.
Don't forget Pards made a very solid start to the season last year, 2 wins out of 3 including that hammering of freshly relegated Reading & notwithstanding a humiliating Cup exit to Yeovil!
Don't forget Pards made a very solid start to the season last year, 2 wins out of 3 including that hammering of freshly relegated Reading & notwithstanding a humiliating Cup exit to Yeovil!
Difference was against Swansea we weren't convincing, and personally against Reading I thought we got a lot more space than we usually would. They came down from the Prem, pushed up, attacked, we got in behind their defence. Most teams we played after that sat back and got behind our defence/counter attacked. A lot of Pardew's wins came against teams like that and his old clubs (seemed to get the players motivated very well for derbies, not so much the likes of Blackpool and Scunthorpe away).
Still it's a good point, we've had a nice start so far but it doesn't mean much at the moment. The big test is consistently playing well, not just every so often like we did with Pardew.
Even when we were losing last season, what he said made sense, of course his comments were criticised but that would have been the case whatever he said because he was not delivering results.
But this season his comments continue to be pitched just right. When did we last have a manager who talked well and talked sense with a well judged balance between a club spokesman; being frank and open with the fans; praising players at just the right time; pointing out weaknesses and how they can be (or have been) addressed?
Most of us felt and will agree that appointing anyone from within was a mistake after the rot and disaster of Pardew's reign, and if we had been able to bring in an affordable decent manager from outside we might have had a better chance to scrape survival. Given that we were relegated, Parkinson's performance since then has surely shown that now he is exactly the right man for the job.
[cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]But this season his comments continue to be pitched just right.
I like what he says, he wants the type of players we all want to see - a mixture of quality, hard working and reliable players. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a lack of effort from Wade Small that meant he didn't win a longer contract. We don't have players like Ambrose or Todorov any more that are players with quality, but gambles and need the right players around them to cover their weaknesses.
He's bringing the young players through in the right way, they're getting experience here and there, he's giving them a bit of praise when they deserve it. He knows we're going to have to use them at different points in the season, and if they're rushed through too quickly or not managed the right way it'll ruin their confidence (e.g. Pardew with Wagstaff)
In Richardson we've got a solid right back for this league that should be able to play a lot of games. He could have gone for Murty, but he didn't, and he's already got injured like he did for us. He's getting a lot of Burton, something a lot of fans didn't think was possible, and he's even scored a couple of goals which no one really expected.
We're just over four days away from keeping all the players we wanted to, and if any of them do go I doubt it'll be his fault. Can say we've only got a few days left to sign players we clearly need, but we all know that's down to the takeover talks.
We've got confidence back and look like a team again, far closer to the type of team we had under Curbishley than any other manager in the last few years. They work hard, they have a bit of quality, there's a nice balance and as a bonus we're playing decent football. All things we saw in Curbishley's teams (I know the football slowly got worse), but never saw consistently under Dowie, Reed or Pardew.
[cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]Parkinson's performance since then has surely shown that now he is exactly the right man for the job.
And even if we weren't top of the league, and wanted to get rid of him, there are no obvious replacements that we can afford, and the end of August would be a terrible time to replace the manager.
in the circumstances Parky is doing a remarkable job, has made three excellant signings and has got us playing as a team and appears to have engendered a good team spirit. Long may it continue. So, well done Parky.
[cite]Posted By: seth plum[/cite]Personally I think (and have said) we should have 18-20 points after 10 games...win at home, draw away.
15 in 5 is not a bad return.
I am now a convert, although my opinion is of little weight.
My frustration with PP stemmed from my appreciation for the skills displayed by Yassin, Dickson, and McLeod and the waste of those (debatable) skills under current management. But focusing on the freezeout of these players from the squad inappropriately diminishes how Parky has a young(ish) midfield gelling together spectacularly well. I am envious of those who have been able to watch, first hand, the Semedo-Racon-Bailey-Sam-Shelvey partnership cement into the dominant power that was on display today at Prenton Park.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]in the circumstances Parky is doing a remarkable job, has made three excellant signings and has got us playing as a team and appears to have engendered a good team spirit. Long may it continue. So, well done Parky.
I think you should apologise to him personally for your previous unfair and unreasonable criticisms (e.g. see page 3)
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However, what if we have injuries to say Llera, Dailley, Baily and Burton and PP's not allowed to bring in new players resulting in a drop of form and we have only 18 points by game 10. Does he stay or does he go? Do the fans cheer him or boo him?
I think that scenario would see all the pressure directed at the board not the manager, especially if there's no takeover.
Don't forget Pards made a very solid start to the season last year, 2 wins out of 3 including that hammering of freshly relegated Reading & notwithstanding a humiliating Cup exit to Yeovil!
Difference was against Swansea we weren't convincing, and personally against Reading I thought we got a lot more space than we usually would. They came down from the Prem, pushed up, attacked, we got in behind their defence. Most teams we played after that sat back and got behind our defence/counter attacked. A lot of Pardew's wins came against teams like that and his old clubs (seemed to get the players motivated very well for derbies, not so much the likes of Blackpool and Scunthorpe away).
Still it's a good point, we've had a nice start so far but it doesn't mean much at the moment. The big test is consistently playing well, not just every so often like we did with Pardew.
Well twice!! :-)
But this season his comments continue to be pitched just right. When did we last have a manager who talked well and talked sense with a well judged balance between a club spokesman; being frank and open with the fans; praising players at just the right time; pointing out weaknesses and how they can be (or have been) addressed?
Most of us felt and will agree that appointing anyone from within was a mistake after the rot and disaster of Pardew's reign, and if we had been able to bring in an affordable decent manager from outside we might have had a better chance to scrape survival. Given that we were relegated, Parkinson's performance since then has surely shown that now he is exactly the right man for the job.
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I like what he says, he wants the type of players we all want to see - a mixture of quality, hard working and reliable players. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a lack of effort from Wade Small that meant he didn't win a longer contract. We don't have players like Ambrose or Todorov any more that are players with quality, but gambles and need the right players around them to cover their weaknesses.
He's bringing the young players through in the right way, they're getting experience here and there, he's giving them a bit of praise when they deserve it. He knows we're going to have to use them at different points in the season, and if they're rushed through too quickly or not managed the right way it'll ruin their confidence (e.g. Pardew with Wagstaff)
In Richardson we've got a solid right back for this league that should be able to play a lot of games. He could have gone for Murty, but he didn't, and he's already got injured like he did for us. He's getting a lot of Burton, something a lot of fans didn't think was possible, and he's even scored a couple of goals which no one really expected.
We're just over four days away from keeping all the players we wanted to, and if any of them do go I doubt it'll be his fault. Can say we've only got a few days left to sign players we clearly need, but we all know that's down to the takeover talks.
We've got confidence back and look like a team again, far closer to the type of team we had under Curbishley than any other manager in the last few years. They work hard, they have a bit of quality, there's a nice balance and as a bonus we're playing decent football. All things we saw in Curbishley's teams (I know the football slowly got worse), but never saw consistently under Dowie, Reed or Pardew.
And even if we weren't top of the league, and wanted to get rid of him, there are no obvious replacements that we can afford, and the end of August would be a terrible time to replace the manager.
15 in 5 is not a bad return.
I am now a convert, although my opinion is of little weight.
My frustration with PP stemmed from my appreciation for the skills displayed by Yassin, Dickson, and McLeod and the waste of those (debatable) skills under current management. But focusing on the freezeout of these players from the squad inappropriately diminishes how Parky has a young(ish) midfield gelling together spectacularly well. I am envious of those who have been able to watch, first hand, the Semedo-Racon-Bailey-Sam-Shelvey partnership cement into the dominant power that was on display today at Prenton Park.
I think you should apologise to him personally for your previous unfair and unreasonable criticisms (e.g. see page 3)