Mr. Murray said this week that Phil Parkinsons future would be decided in the next few weeks. What are the board waiting for ? We have known our fate for weeks and I think it would be fairer to PP, prospective season ticket buyers and uncle Tom Cobbly if we all knew very soon. Back him or sack him. Simple surely ! ? Oh and can anyone explain to me why there is no incentive to renew early. Makes no sense to me.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Mr. Murray said this week that Phil Parkinsons future would be decided in the next few weeks. What are the board waiting for ? We have known our fate for weeks and I think it would be fairer to PP, prospective season ticket buyers and uncle Tom Cobbly if we all knew very soon. Back him or sack him. Simple surely ! ? Oh and can anyone explain to me why there is no incentive to renew early. Makes no sense to me.
We're unbeaten in five in fact. Like you say, we're not losing, we're improving. So let's allow things to continue to improve and in time for next season we'll see the draws being turned into wins?
[cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]his negative tactics of 4-5-1 at home (we aint milan or roma and dont have their strikers) havent worked.
It's not negative though.
He tried 4-4-2, but we had embarrassing performances up front like Dickson against Doncaster. Rarely has 4-4-2 at home done any better than 4-5-1.
Fair point but i do think it is negative psychologically for the fans and the team. It works when you have Darren Bent up there but not with our current options and makes the oppos CBs less busy.
By having 2 up front (even if combined they still arent as effective as someone like DB) then by laws of averages you are gonna work them harder at the back and get more chances...even if they will be squandered!
[cite]Posted By: Callumcafc[/cite]We're unbeaten in five in fact. Like you say, we're not losing, we're improving. So let's allow things to continue to improve and in time for next season we'll see the draws being turned into wins?
He's doing his best but your argument about the squad coming together is irrelevant, the loanees (Kandol, Butterfield and Ward) will return to their clubs while some (ZZ, Ambrose etc) are out of contract and will leave and of the others some will put in transfers while others will be the subject of bids. In essence next season's match day squad for the first game will look very different to the one that Parky fielded today.
[cite]Posted By: Callumcafc[/cite]We're unbeaten in five in fact. Like you say, we're not losing, we're improving. So let's allow things to continue to improve and in time for next season we'll see the draws being turned into wins?
Alternatively you could say we have only won one in five which puts an entirely different spin on it. As nice and as comitted and passionate guy that he has shown us he has not done anything to show me that he is capable of building a successful team here and i dont see what more time will serve up other than prolonging the agony. Theres as much chance of a new face converting the draws into wins (and yes equally losses).
Its not a case of me being naive and demanding instant success like spurs/ newcastle fans etc often do. I resisnged myself to the fact that we would struggle when curbs went and that it will take time to find our feet again. I agree that all managers ie fergie, wegner curbs need time to get things right but there has to be something inspirational about them in the first place and i cant see that in Parkinson sadly.
We may pass it around quite nicely at times but the defence is fragile, the strikers rarely score and the midfield was guilty of mistakes that cost us that game today. And the so called best bits of this stable team will be gone.
Sadly the Charlton Way era has long since passed.
The whole club needs to be refreshed including some fans too.
[cite]Posted By: Callumcafc[/cite]We COULD indeed be heading down again next season (but then again I COULD win the lottery), but changing the management again COULD be even worse.
Hello Nigel Pearson & Leicester City!
I think a change is overdue. With the players we have, a better man-motivator could have been recruited in time to keep us up. There were plenty of applicants, but we ultimately picked the wrong one. Sure, rot had set in, but Parkinson did had enough time to save us, & save for a few performances where a bit of bad luck/poor ref or inept finishing cost us precious points. We weren't dead when he took over. Its points that win prizes these days, & he hasn't got enough of them.
A fresh start, maybe a Chris Powell/Steve Gritt combo, a'la Lawrence/Trollope would be interesting to look at?
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Mr. Murray said this week that Phil Parkinsons future would be decided in the next few weeks. What are the board waiting for ? We have known our fate for weeks and I think it would be fairer to PP, prospective season ticket buyers and uncle Tom Cobbly if we all knew very soon. Back him or sack him. Simple surely ! ? Oh and can anyone explain to me why there is no incentive to renew early. Makes no sense to me.
Agree on both points.
There is an incentive. To save the club you and I love. Do you need a financial incentive?
Is there a price on your affection for Charlton?
The Board have set the prices to be as affordable as possible. If you cant afford it fair enough. But is our love of Charlton based on a price?
[cite]Posted By: Callumcafc[/cite]We're unbeaten in five in fact. Like you say, we're not losing, we're improving. So let's allow things to continue to improve and in time for next season we'll see the draws being turned into wins?
He's doing his best but your argument about the squad coming together is irrelevant, the loanees (Kandol, Butterfield and Ward) will return to their clubs while some (ZZ, Ambrose etc) are out of contract and will leave and of the others some will put in transfers while others will be the subject of bids. In essence next season's match day squad for the first game will look very different to the one that Parky fielded today.
Fair point, but if the majority of the sixteen today does stick together (bar ZZ, and maybe the majority of the defence) then Parkinson is the man to take us back up. If they don't stick together, I do agree that Parkinson will struggle to do a better job than anyone else, cause we'd be starting frrom scrratch anyway.
But if he's seeing the same improvements I am, he won't walk & I can't see the board sacking him due to finances. We just have to hope he can convince the better players to stay.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Mr. Murray said this week that Phil Parkinsons future would be decided in the next few weeks. What are the board waiting for ? We have known our fate for weeks and I think it would be fairer to PP, prospective season ticket buyers and uncle Tom Cobbly if we all knew very soon. Back him or sack him. Simple surely ! ? Oh and can anyone explain to me why there is no incentive to renew early. Makes no sense to me.
Agree on both points.
There is an incentive. To save the club you and I love. Do you need a financial incentive?
Is there a price on your affection for Charlton?
The Board have set the prices to be as affordable as possible. If you cant afford it fair enough. But is our love of Charlton based on a price?
Thats not the point I was trying to make. The reason as I understand it that clubs tend to lean towards an early renewal policy is because it allows them to budget better. Steve Waggot says as much in todays programme. This season ticket renewal would favour the fan who waits till the last moment before coughing up with no hope of the club being able to budget. Strange decision imho. I have renewed already but this system won`t help Charlton in their hour of need as you so rightly point out
if the club want to budget,i will give them my credit/debit card number post dated to 1 aug,i just dont feel like parting with my money until then although i will 100% renew for me and northstandjoe
[cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]But how much SHG. The people who werent there today. The undecideds. I honestly dont think it would make a difference.
Those who are disaffected with Charlton at the moment to not renew cannot be bought for 5% or 10%.
In fact it may just have appeared as being insulting.
Then why offer an incentive in other seasons. If it really is good business sense to offer a discount for early renewal and we don`t then that imho opinion is an error of judgement. and one that potentially could hurt the club and its prospects. For all I know there might very well be a sound reason not to this season its just I have not heard it yet.
Fair point, but if the majority of the sixteen today does stick together (bar ZZ, and maybe the majority of the defence) then Parkinson is the man to take us back up. If they don't stick together, I do agree that Parkinson will struggle to do a better job than anyone else, cause we'd be starting frrom scrratch anyway.
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The operative word is "if", but I can see around half today's match squad moving on for whatever reason, and some who will stay (eg Burton) will be staying because no other club wants them. Ultimately we don't have the finances to fund anything larger than a squad of around 18 full-time pros. On the otherhand there may be something in the takeover rumours in which case a fresh injection of capital will likely mean that we can go after a manager with a better track record.
FFS, Improving because we have 7 points from 15. Improving when we have not won 2 matches in a row all season, improving when the bloke in charge is unable to get a decent side to win a game of football against Blackpool a team that are useless. GET RID, the sooner the better. He is not the man to take us forwards. I agree with what has been said above, you may as well bring in a goat, it could do no worse. Parky must have the worst managerial record in our history, why do people still back him?
[cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]But how much SHG. The people who werent there today. The undecideds. I honestly dont think it would make a difference.
Those who are disaffected with Charlton at the moment to not renew cannot be bought for 5% or 10%.
In fact it may just have appeared as being insulting.
Then why offer an incentive in other seasons. If it really is good business sense to offer a discount for early renewal and we don`t then that imho opinion is an error of judgement. and one that potentially could hurt the club and its prospects. For all I know there might very well be a sound reason not to this season its just I have not heard it yet.
That was my original view. The much admired and respected Henners seemed to think we hadnt been offered early renewal discounts for some seasons. I really cant remember and I dont recall any posters giving details (normally somebody steps in with facts to bugger up all the emotional rhetoric).
[cite]Posted By: American_Addick[/cite]Callumcafc,
If Parky and co. had shown half the commitment in match preparation and execution that you have exhibited defending his horrible record in this thread we might not already be down.
If we stick with him, we could be heading down again next season.
He may be a great guy and a good soldier, but he is clearly not up to it.
I kind of reached a similar conclusion albeit more dispassionately than you AA. I don't see the threat of relegation next season, more the threat of non promotion and relegation the following season when we will be picking from the Under 12 team as we won't be able to afford wages!!
I do worry about our Boards ability to pick a winner given that their last few goes were more like they were blindfolded and trying to pin the tail on the donkey. Hence I have a slightly fence sitting, wishy washy, in the back of my mind thought that at least there is this "devil you know" feeling about Parky; coupled with a feeling that he has kind of done it in the third tier before with Colchester. If they can come up with somebody who has some gravitas/experience/track record, then Parky should go. If they just come up with some hair-brained scheme to promote Matt Holland or bring back Sir Chris for a rookies try out, frankly we might as well keep him.
I think Henry maybe right that we fans haven't been offered a discount off the ST for paying early for several seasons, but, the deal was for the last two years that a ST renewal would be rewarded with a free ST in the Premiership if (!!) we got promoted. With that as the incentive I can see why the club didn't offer an early booking discount.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]I think Henry maybe right that we fans haven't been offered a discount off the ST for paying early for several seasons, but, the deal was for the last two years that a ST renewal would be rewarded with a free ST in the Premiership if (!!) we got promoted. With that as the incentive I can see why the club didn't offer an early booking disciunt.
I can't, for the life of me, see sticking with someone because you know them, when you also know they are not up to the job.
Sure, the next guy may turn out to be even worse. But that gamble is always worth taking once you determine that the incumbent isn't up to it.
If you went to a restaurant and got great service but the food was terrible, you'd still go looking for a new restaurant.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]I think Henry maybe right that we fans haven't been offered a discount off the ST for paying early for several seasons, but, the deal was for the last two years that a ST renewal would be rewarded with a free ST in the Premiership if (!!) we got promoted. With that as the incentive I can see why the club didn't offer an early booking disciunt.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]I think Henry maybe right that we fans haven't been offered a discount off the ST for paying early for several seasons, but, the deal was for the last two years that a ST renewal would be rewarded with a free ST in the Premiership if (!!) we got promoted. With that as the incentive I can see why the club didn't offer an early bookingdisciunt.
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Agree on both points.
Fair point but i do think it is negative psychologically for the fans and the team. It works when you have Darren Bent up there but not with our current options and makes the oppos CBs less busy.
By having 2 up front (even if combined they still arent as effective as someone like DB) then by laws of averages you are gonna work them harder at the back and get more chances...even if they will be squandered!
He's doing his best but your argument about the squad coming together is irrelevant, the loanees (Kandol, Butterfield and Ward) will return to their clubs while some (ZZ, Ambrose etc) are out of contract and will leave and of the others some will put in transfers while others will be the subject of bids. In essence next season's match day squad for the first game will look very different to the one that Parky fielded today.
Alternatively you could say we have only won one in five which puts an entirely different spin on it. As nice and as comitted and passionate guy that he has shown us he has not done anything to show me that he is capable of building a successful team here and i dont see what more time will serve up other than prolonging the agony. Theres as much chance of a new face converting the draws into wins (and yes equally losses).
Its not a case of me being naive and demanding instant success like spurs/ newcastle fans etc often do. I resisnged myself to the fact that we would struggle when curbs went and that it will take time to find our feet again. I agree that all managers ie fergie, wegner curbs need time to get things right but there has to be something inspirational about them in the first place and i cant see that in Parkinson sadly.
brilliant summary of todays game spot on
Hello Nigel Pearson & Leicester City!
I think a change is overdue. With the players we have, a better man-motivator could have been recruited in time to keep us up. There were plenty of applicants, but we ultimately picked the wrong one. Sure, rot had set in, but Parkinson did had enough time to save us, & save for a few performances where a bit of bad luck/poor ref or inept finishing cost us precious points. We weren't dead when he took over. Its points that win prizes these days, & he hasn't got enough of them.
A fresh start, maybe a Chris Powell/Steve Gritt combo, a'la Lawrence/Trollope would be interesting to look at?
There is an incentive. To save the club you and I love. Do you need a financial incentive?
Is there a price on your affection for Charlton?
The Board have set the prices to be as affordable as possible. If you cant afford it fair enough. But is our love of Charlton based on a price?
Fair point, but if the majority of the sixteen today does stick together (bar ZZ, and maybe the majority of the defence) then Parkinson is the man to take us back up. If they don't stick together, I do agree that Parkinson will struggle to do a better job than anyone else, cause we'd be starting frrom scrratch anyway.
But if he's seeing the same improvements I am, he won't walk & I can't see the board sacking him due to finances. We just have to hope he can convince the better players to stay.
Those who are disaffected with Charlton at the moment to not renew cannot be bought for 5% or 10%.
In fact it may just have appeared as being insulting.
Then why offer an incentive in other seasons. If it really is good business sense to offer a discount for early renewal and we don`t then that imho opinion is an error of judgement. and one that potentially could hurt the club and its prospects. For all I know there might very well be a sound reason not to this season its just I have not heard it yet.
..........
The operative word is "if", but I can see around half today's match squad moving on for whatever reason, and some who will stay (eg Burton) will be staying because no other club wants them. Ultimately we don't have the finances to fund anything larger than a squad of around 18 full-time pros. On the otherhand there may be something in the takeover rumours in which case a fresh injection of capital will likely mean that we can go after a manager with a better track record.
That was my original view. The much admired and respected Henners seemed to think we hadnt been offered early renewal discounts for some seasons. I really cant remember and I dont recall any posters giving details (normally somebody steps in with facts to bugger up all the emotional rhetoric).
^^ Better manager than Parky, yeah?
I kind of reached a similar conclusion albeit more dispassionately than you AA. I don't see the threat of relegation next season, more the threat of non promotion and relegation the following season when we will be picking from the Under 12 team as we won't be able to afford wages!!
I do worry about our Boards ability to pick a winner given that their last few goes were more like they were blindfolded and trying to pin the tail on the donkey. Hence I have a slightly fence sitting, wishy washy, in the back of my mind thought that at least there is this "devil you know" feeling about Parky; coupled with a feeling that he has kind of done it in the third tier before with Colchester. If they can come up with somebody who has some gravitas/experience/track record, then Parky should go. If they just come up with some hair-brained scheme to promote Matt Holland or bring back Sir Chris for a rookies try out, frankly we might as well keep him.
I would edit that one BFR. Just in case.
Sure, the next guy may turn out to be even worse. But that gamble is always worth taking once you determine that the incumbent isn't up to it.
If you went to a restaurant and got great service but the food was terrible, you'd still go looking for a new restaurant.
"dis ciunt" has a lot to answer for our current plight as you mention it... http://www.bbc.co.uk/hampshire/content/images/2005/12/09/gallery36_470x300.jpg
Happy Halloween!
There is something rather Kuytish about that scary photo.
Complet Kuynt indeed.
Don't go down the Kinsella route, cause it's not going to happen.
I really want it now Shearer has added Iynynyn Kuynt for cross kuyntry runs.