[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]Five points out of 21 from a team fighting to avoid relegation is hardly a compelling reason why Parky should be retained.
[cite]Posted By: Callumcafc[/cite]Where's the evidence that things have gotten progressively worse?
We have just been relegated to Division 3 after drawing 2-2 at home against blackpool.
Things have got worse since we were a Premiership team. Not since Parkinson took over.
Indeed they have but this doesnt detract from the fact that Phil Parkinson isnt the man to reverse the slide. When Curbishley left I actually said to my mate that I felt worse than when my old man walked out! Such was the stability and reassurance he provided at the club(Curbs not pops). Whether he left because he knew we were in a downward spriral or that mutually it was felt his time was up, the impact of him and that stability vanishing truly has affected us and naturally things were going to get worse as a result. Bar an unlucky goal against fulham who knows what would have happened if we had stayed in the prem. For all we know we could be sitting there now chanting super Alan pardew as we coast at 7th in the top flight (although that would be a bit odd as its 8pm and im sure the ground is probably empty.)
I dont think Parkinson is the guy to turn the tables and he HAS proved that with the results. Anyone of us posters on here could have been manager and got the same outcome as him, some probably would have kept us up and who knows even promoted!
I don't think Parkinson is the man to keep a championship team there, but surely what he's done before in League 1 proves that rather than taking a bet on someone else, we should stick with someone who we know can get us out of League 1 first?
Callum they could also say the same. Blackpool missed a couple in the 1st half. We played well at times but never really broke them down. 2-0 up we shuold of killed them off. They are a poor team and we are not as good as them.
jake, Alan Pardew was successful at Championship level with Reading and West Ham, but 9to our suprise) failed with us. parkinson at Colchester is no measure I reckon.
Give Parkinson the summer to mould a team of his own. He's already started to do that and we can that things have improved slightly. He was hardly going to be attracting top quality Championship players to Charlton when we were the bottom of the league..
However, we're in a good position this summer (not financially of course) where we do have the power to attract the higher quality players to the club.
I trust him to bring us back up with his own team.
[cite]Posted By: JakeCAFC_94[/cite]I don't think Parkinson is the man to keep a championship team there, but surely what he's done before in League 1 proves that rather than taking a bet on someone else, we should stick with someone who we know can get us out of League 1 first?
Not so. IMO Its the ability that a manager has to get the best out of the particular set of players he has at his disposal at any particular time. Look at George Graham, did v well at arsenal but not great at other places (other than possibly millwall beofore he got the highbury gig). Allardyce is another example and to an extent curbs. Worked wonders at certain clubs with certain expectations and certain players but when they moved elsewhere in the same league they couldnt produce the same magic.Look at clough at derby and forest compared to the shmables at leeds who had previously won the title when he took over.
Its almost down to a certain "chemistry" whether a manager can create and sustain a successful team. Unfortuantely Parkinson has not and will not excel in Charlton's laboratory.
and what about when we get there buddy parky can not handle the chumpionship
I don't believe that at all. IF he can take us back up, he's good enough to keep us there.
If we keep most of the better players, add to it and most importantly, find a couple of goalscorers, we can get straight back up.
If we get straight back up, we'll be playing with confidence, and the momentum will carry us through. Look at clubs like Swansea.
I couldn't be there today, but I've been to most home games, and recently not having enough quality up front has been the difference between a draw and a win, and sometimes a defeat and a draw.
[cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]IMO Its the ability that a manager has to get the best out of the particular set of players he has at his disposal at any particular time.
So give Parkinson the time to bring together his own team? The signings he has made have not been disasterous at all.
Of course Parkinson HAS to go- he keeps playing HUDSON every week- Hudson, again, who gave away a soft penalty that let them back in- how many goals has he been at fault for this season when we have been in pole position and were we have ended up surrendering points? Hudson who is pisspoor as captain. Also why play 4-5-1 in games we have to win- Yes he could have changed it around when Burton was injured by going 4-4-2 and putting ZZ or JJ up front with TT. I must say though that TT looks a good prospect for next season but I doubt wether he or Chris Solly will get a game in our two home fixtures when it will be ideal to blood them further!
[cite]Posted By: stubs1310[/cite]Of course Parkinson HAS to go- he keeps playing HUDSON every week- Hudson, again, who gave away a soft penalty that let them back in- how many goals has he been at fault for this season when we have been in pole position and were we have ended up surrendering points? Hudson who is pisspoor as captain. Also why play 4-5-1 in games we have to win- Yes he could have changed it around when Burton was injured by going 4-4-2 and putting ZZ or JJ up front with TT. I must say though that TT looks a good prospect for next season but I doubt wether he or Chris Solly will get a game in our two home fixtures when it will be ideal to blood them further!
Okay, so where would Parkinson find another centre back from?
Why does everyone feel 4-5-1 (which I must add is actually 4-4-1-1) is such a negative formation? It's practically designed to encourage attacking play, with any one of our 5 midfield players running on to the lay-offs from Burton/Kandol.
[cite]Posted By: seth plum[/cite]Yeah Gillespie was a real success after all, give Parky a lifetime contract!
You won't get every signing right (especially when you have no money and are bottom of the league, hardly gonna attract quality players).. Murty, Butterfield, Ward, Kandol (isn't lazy), even Burton had a decent game today.
Callumcafc,
If Parky and co. had shown half the commitment in match preparation and execution that you have exhibited defending his horrible record in this thread we might not already be down.
If we stick with him, we could be heading down again next season.
He may be a great guy and a good soldier, but he is clearly not up to it.
[cite]Posted By: Callumcafc[/cite]We COULD indeed be heading down again next season (but then again I COULD win the lottery), but changing the management again COULD be even worse.
Or it might be a lot better.
A lot better than it is right now, under the current regime.
Again, you hold a winning hand and change a losing one.
Can't understand anyone moaning about signings like Gillespie. He wasn't here long, it didn't work out, but he wasn't terrible, he just wasn't an improvement. Remember we only had Sam or Ambrose playing on the right, he tried to find a decent player that was still available and strengthen the team.
If he didn't sign anyone, he'd be blamed for playing Sam or Ambrose every week (just like the above comment about playing Hudson every week).
[cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]IMO Its the ability that a manager has to get the best out of the particular set of players he has at his disposal at any particular time.
So give Parkinson the time to bring together his own team? The signings he has made have not been disasterous at all.
Hes had time mate. Hes been involved since Pardew was in charge and had influence then so is partially responsible for that period by default unless he deliberatley witheld his inspiration til he got the gig full time which is obviously untrue. He has proved he is not the man to change our fortunes any more than you, me or George Weah's "cousin" would be with time.
As for his signings, by disasterous I take it you mean he hasnt forked out millions for players that havent lived up to their price tag/ wages like predecessors did. He has had to do with loan signings and spotting cheap players etc that will make a positive impact on the team, like great managers do eg curbs in our days with no dosh etc.
He hasnt been able to get the best out of a group of players who on paper are better than the ones we are likely to have as a squad next season and his negative tactics of 4-5-1 at home (we aint milan or roma and dont have their strikers) havent worked.
We are relegated because of the players performances and the manager picks the players and the tactics. Players can perform better under different managers and it is more realistic to get a new manager than to get a new squad.
I'd rather the steady improvement we're seeing than the risks of changing things around again.
I don't know if you've noticed Callum but today saw us relegated with a 2-2 draw against a poor side from Blackpool. Not quite sure there much sign of an improvement there...
We may pass it around quite nicely at times but the defence is fragile, the strikers rarely score and the midfield was guilty of mistakes that cost us that game today. And the so called best bits of this stable team will be gone.
Sadly the Charlton Way era has long since passed.
The whole club needs to be refreshed including some fans too.
I'd rather the steady improvement we're seeing than the risks of changing things around again.
2-2 against blackpool isnt a great sign of improvement.
In our last 5 games we have got 3 draws a loss and a win. Last 3 games, 2 have been draws at home and 2 of them 0-0. If you mean by not losing we are improving then yes but the club needs a manager that can better that and its not him.
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Seven points out of 21 from a team fighting to avoid relegation is hardly a compelling reason why Parky should be retained.
3 out of 24.
7 out of 15.
Indeed they have but this doesnt detract from the fact that Phil Parkinson isnt the man to reverse the slide. When Curbishley left I actually said to my mate that I felt worse than when my old man walked out! Such was the stability and reassurance he provided at the club(Curbs not pops). Whether he left because he knew we were in a downward spriral or that mutually it was felt his time was up, the impact of him and that stability vanishing truly has affected us and naturally things were going to get worse as a result. Bar an unlucky goal against fulham who knows what would have happened if we had stayed in the prem. For all we know we could be sitting there now chanting super Alan pardew as we coast at 7th in the top flight (although that would be a bit odd as its 8pm and im sure the ground is probably empty.)
I dont think Parkinson is the guy to turn the tables and he HAS proved that with the results. Anyone of us posters on here could have been manager and got the same outcome as him, some probably would have kept us up and who knows even promoted!
However, we're in a good position this summer (not financially of course) where we do have the power to attract the higher quality players to the club.
I trust him to bring us back up with his own team.
Give him a chance where he has been successful.
Not so. IMO Its the ability that a manager has to get the best out of the particular set of players he has at his disposal at any particular time. Look at George Graham, did v well at arsenal but not great at other places (other than possibly millwall beofore he got the highbury gig). Allardyce is another example and to an extent curbs. Worked wonders at certain clubs with certain expectations and certain players but when they moved elsewhere in the same league they couldnt produce the same magic.Look at clough at derby and forest compared to the shmables at leeds who had previously won the title when he took over.
Its almost down to a certain "chemistry" whether a manager can create and sustain a successful team. Unfortuantely Parkinson has not and will not excel in Charlton's laboratory.
I don't believe that at all. IF he can take us back up, he's good enough to keep us there.
If we keep most of the better players, add to it and most importantly, find a couple of goalscorers, we can get straight back up.
If we get straight back up, we'll be playing with confidence, and the momentum will carry us through. Look at clubs like Swansea.
I couldn't be there today, but I've been to most home games, and recently not having enough quality up front has been the difference between a draw and a win, and sometimes a defeat and a draw.
So give Parkinson the time to bring together his own team? The signings he has made have not been disasterous at all.
EDIT: Except of course, I believe he can bring us back up.
Okay, so where would Parkinson find another centre back from?
Why does everyone feel 4-5-1 (which I must add is actually 4-4-1-1) is such a negative formation? It's practically designed to encourage attacking play, with any one of our 5 midfield players running on to the lay-offs from Burton/Kandol.
You won't get every signing right (especially when you have no money and are bottom of the league, hardly gonna attract quality players).. Murty, Butterfield, Ward, Kandol (isn't lazy), even Burton had a decent game today.
If Parky and co. had shown half the commitment in match preparation and execution that you have exhibited defending his horrible record in this thread we might not already be down.
If we stick with him, we could be heading down again next season.
He may be a great guy and a good soldier, but he is clearly not up to it.
Or it might be a lot better.
A lot better than it is right now, under the current regime.
Again, you hold a winning hand and change a losing one.
I'd rather the steady improvement we're seeing than the risks of changing things around again.
If he didn't sign anyone, he'd be blamed for playing Sam or Ambrose every week (just like the above comment about playing Hudson every week).
Hes had time mate. Hes been involved since Pardew was in charge and had influence then so is partially responsible for that period by default unless he deliberatley witheld his inspiration til he got the gig full time which is obviously untrue. He has proved he is not the man to change our fortunes any more than you, me or George Weah's "cousin" would be with time.
As for his signings, by disasterous I take it you mean he hasnt forked out millions for players that havent lived up to their price tag/ wages like predecessors did. He has had to do with loan signings and spotting cheap players etc that will make a positive impact on the team, like great managers do eg curbs in our days with no dosh etc.
He hasnt been able to get the best out of a group of players who on paper are better than the ones we are likely to have as a squad next season and his negative tactics of 4-5-1 at home (we aint milan or roma and dont have their strikers) havent worked.
We are relegated because of the players performances and the manager picks the players and the tactics. Players can perform better under different managers and it is more realistic to get a new manager than to get a new squad.
And Susan Boyle can really sing, but what image won't be going on the album cover?
I don't know if you've noticed Callum but today saw us relegated with a 2-2 draw against a poor side from Blackpool. Not quite sure there much sign of an improvement there...
It's not negative though.
He tried 4-4-2, but we had embarrassing performances up front like Dickson against Doncaster. Rarely has 4-4-2 at home done any better than 4-5-1.
I wish that were true Callum.
We may pass it around quite nicely at times but the defence is fragile, the strikers rarely score and the midfield was guilty of mistakes that cost us that game today. And the so called best bits of this stable team will be gone.
Sadly the Charlton Way era has long since passed.
The whole club needs to be refreshed including some fans too.
2-2 against blackpool isnt a great sign of improvement.
In our last 5 games we have got 3 draws a loss and a win. Last 3 games, 2 have been draws at home and 2 of them 0-0. If you mean by not losing we are improving then yes but the club needs a manager that can better that and its not him.