Can see real problems arising with this during the summer.
Lots of talk already in the £5m category. There is no doubt in my mind he will develop into a player worth that valuation.
However, it was imperative at that stage during the season that we got Shelvey to sign. We all know full well he could have chased the dollar and simply walked into a prem team's reserves and doubled / tripled his salary. The fact he stayed is admirable of his character.
However, he was pretty much holding all the cards, and any agent worth his salt would have realised that. I'm convinced there is a bid trigger in his contract, and it will be a lot lower than the £5m people are speculating he is worth.
I have a fear its probably half that, maybe even less.
No knowledge on this, just my opinion.
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There is no point in taking any amount below £4-5m in installments or based on appearances etc.
Who knows? He will almost certainly get offers and at least we will get more than we would have got from a tribunal.
Whatever we get will be less than he will be worth and we most likely won't be able to spend all or even most of it on other players but it might just allow us to keep some of the others than we have.
And they were telling us he had signed for them in February.
A lot of transfers are done in instalments, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Pardew's bigger signings probably were, Bougerra, Varney, Gray etc, and sales like Reid and Bent (his definitely was).
Aaron Ramsey went to Arsenal for £4.8m at the age of 17.
I would have thought Jonjo is in that league.
I wouldnt have thought that Cardiff and Southampton held many cards in their hands at the time either.
If he has to go we need 2 interested parties with the money to get into a bidding war. Personally I hope thats in a years time when he has led us back to the Champ and when there is more money about (economy wise).
I aint going anywhere D
Fair points
A 17 year old with a handful of games discounted for the Charlton factor discounted again for the league 1 desperate for dosh factor and I reckon £1 million with, if we are lucky, a percentage of future fees.
I'd question whether you can bracket Shelvey in the same class as Walcott and Ramsey. Walcott was touted as the next big thing long before he was sold to Arsenal and when fit is an England regular at the age of 19/20.
Ramsey has the likes of Man Utd and everton after him before he agreed to sign for Arsenal after a personal visit from Wenger.
Whilst i don't doubt Shelvey is a major talent i don't think you'll get those sort of clubs after him and we therefore won't get really big money for him.
Cardiff had just reached the FA Cup final and when Saints sold Walcott they were nowhere near the mess we're in today. I think he'll go for 2m tops.
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U nearly got a call last night at 9 as he wouldnt go to bed and i told him i was ringing Nicky Bailey, he flew up the stairs as soon as i got my phone out my pocket
I think in todays climate £5m is a heck of a lot for a lad with a dozen starts under his belt.....if he goes in the summer we would do well to get half that, even with all kinds of clauses & additional payments factored in.
I can.
He has so much more quality than we have really seen so far. His touch is superb, his passing is very accurate and has a wide range. He threw himself into a few tackles at the weekend and ran his bollocks off.
His free kicks need a bit more work and he is not the fastest player I've seen - but whilst he may not be like Walcott was at that age - I suspect our Jonjo will develop into a superb player and would not be at all surprised to see him in an England shirt in a couple of years time.
He is genuinely one of the most talented players I've seen in a long time and I for one think anything less that £5m NOW with at least 20% sell-on and we've been shafted.
However - I'd also like to think he will give us next season to get ourselves moving in the right direction and he will display some of the loyalty that is sadly lacking in this game.
His agent will obviously know he is sitting on a goldmine but I'd like to think Jonjo knows in his own head that he is going to be a hugely wealthy man in a couple of years and playing regular, competitive football at this stage in his career will be good for him.
'Highly tipped to be future England Captain and perfect replacement for Lampard'
And didnt our dear Parky compare him to Steven Gerrard.
Is there a release clause in his contract saying how much he can go for?
If so, how much is it?
Hopefully it is high enough to deter other clubs who don't think he's worth that much yet but will, if met, mean we get a large bit of cash.
If he is as good as we think then he is unlikely to see his career out with us regardless of what division we are in. We can hope that we get one or more good seasons from him and then a lot of money.
I also think that it will be a number and add-ons will not be part of it, in view of our faring badly on that road in the past. Idle and pointless speculation alone: I'd say £2M. Everyone will have to keep their cards close to their chest on this one and we'll only know when it's too late. There's no other way to do handle this unfortunately. At the end of the day some people would moan if we got £20M, but personally I think when you're not renewing contracts and letting staff go, it'd be mighty difficult to turn down decent cash for potential and I also doubt Shelvey's advisors would have set it as high as £5M as he could have walked out on the team for (if Bostock is anything to go by) a fraction of that - which would have meant a lot more loot in his and their pockets. If/when it does people need to be a bit understanding of this.
Could be so but maybe it was "we'll pay you £x pw with this clause but make it a bigger sell out clause and we'll pay you £XX pw"
The buy out clause is no skin off Jon Jo's nose as if he is good enough someone will match it but a higher salary now is a bird in the hand.
Financially, he's worth to us is exactly what some club is prepared to pay for him, not a penny more.
We've done ourselves no favours dropping into the Third Division, but the one thing that will keep Jonjo at Charlton more than any other factor ...... is starting games. The lad just wants to play, and he knows he won't get that chance festering in someone elses reserve team.
And he likes it here.
Whether the Board will sell him anyway, to grab the cash sooner rather than later, is a moot point.
FACT?
so this is a lie and the truth is out there?