I wonder what goes through the mind of players like Matt Holland, seeing this stream of loanees come and go, players signed and sold over and above him by the four different managers since Curbs. If I were Matt Holland I'd be wondering what the hell was going on. If I were Matt Holland I'd be hoping and thinking about what to do with the twilight of my football career. Stick with the team that has royally fucked you about or move on and have a couple of seasons elsewhere where you might be appreciated.
When I see players like Spring, Burton and Butterfield playing in a Charlton shirt I'm left to wonder as to what was the decision making process that led to them being there? What exactly did the coaching staff and manager see in them? What the hell did they see in them every week in, week out in some cases, these players who are quite obviously unworthy of the first team?
Where Pards failed to find a side after using an inordinate number of players, Parkinson seems incapable of getting the best out of the players he has at his disposal. The loan players, with rare exception, have failed to live up to already low standards set by their predecessors. Existing squad players are so lacking in match fitness that there really isn't any point in playing them. Quite frankly, I would have had more time for Parkinson if he'd played Ambrose, Holland, Grey, etc, and tried to get something out of them rather than employ the services of peripheral club players, journeymen, and not particularly good journeymen at that.
Should we keep Parkinson? What was Parkinson as a manager to the board anyway? Perhaps he feels that, perhaps he, like the rest of us, is just waiting for the axe to fall yet again.
[cite]Posted By: Valley_floyd_red[/cite]Quite frankly, I would have had more time for Parkinson if he'd played Ambrose, Holland, Grey, etc, and tried to get something out of them rather than employ the services of peripheral club players, journeymen, and not particularly good journeymen at that.
If he did that everyone would be saying why has he continued to use players that didn't perform under Pardew.
Given that Parky was chosen by the board when he shouldn't have been, I didn't feel that I had any option other than to do my best to get behind him and the team until the point of no return. It didn't mean that I was happy, I was just genuinely trying to support in what were pretty adverse circumstances. Steve Gritt was in our area last Tuesday night at the end of the game with tears in his eyes and there's no doubt that a lot of people including players like Matty must be hurting very badly. I don't want Parky to stay with us, I want next season to start with fresh ideas and a sense of hope. Parky can't do that.
Posted By: Valley_floyd_redQuite frankly, I would have had more time for Parkinson if he'd played Ambrose, Holland, Grey, etc, and tried to get something out of them rather than employ the services of peripheral club players, journeymen, and not particularly good journeymen at that.
If he did that everyone would be saying why has he continued to use players that didn't perform under Pardew.
Except that the players I mentioned didn't really get a chance under Pardew either. I don't thing any player really got a chance under Pards, he did more to unsettle the squad than anything else.
Pardew never got the best of any of them if that's what you mean. He used those 3 a lot, and if Parkinson did the same and it carried on not working there would be a lot of frustrated people out there.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Can anyone explain to me why the board think Parkinson is the best man for the job when all the facts and stats fly in the face of it. I just don`t get it.
Their recent decision making hasn't exactly been a raging success, though has it? Maybe they just don't know any better.
Don't buy the we have no money arguments. Plenty clubs have good managers and teams and manage on a shoestring.
How about promoting Holland to player/manager next year been a great pro and has shown he has a footballing brain? would be better than what we have right now
Season ticket holder for 15+ years. The stub stayed in the book today. Simply couldn't face it twice in a week.
Parkinson is a failure and a clown in equal measure if he had any semblance of respect for himself he would admit his failings and walk away.
Phil, if you are reading this, you ain't up to it at this level so go.
In every way shape and form he has failed. He will do no better next season. Said it before and I'll say it again. The broomshould have swept him out when Pardew went, but money talks.
At present I don't see myself going again this season. My club are a total and utter shambles. It is too painful to sit and watch everything that I have loved about them fall apart.
Those that think we wouldn;'t be able to attract a better manager are deluded. If we wnet to Ince tomorrow he would be working for us by Monday.
This should not be the worst Chrlton team I have ever seen, but it is. Inept and devoid of passion.
I have always loved going to Charlton, I hoped I always would. I now can't face going. If any of the players, the board or the management team are reading this......thanks very much, you have made something I loved into a pile of steaming horse manure.
Renew next season.......? All of a sudden the holiday in Crotia seems more appealing.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Sorry but why is Parky a natural 3rd division manager ? What seasons did he have there and with what success. I don`t know
Over three years at Colchester he averaged 1.6 pts per game, taking the club from relegation zone to promotion.
I don't feel I'm qualified to comment on Parkinson's managerial abilities, but if he did that well next year that would be 71 or 72 points which would have us in the playoff zone based on this year's league standings. But that's if, not when.
Anyone who knows me will tell you I have been given Charlton everything over the last 35 years. But right now have fallen out of love! I did not go to either games this week and it felt really strange not being there, kinda like I was skiving from school or something. I will be back as it's in my blood something I cannot help but I and my two children will not be setting foot in the Valley again all the while Parkinson is the manager.
He needs to go. By still playing loans player, he is not planning for next season. Come the end of this season and they all go back to thier clubs, what are we left with? Not much. We won't have money to buy players, we will loose some players when we go down, all that we will be left with is youngsters or more loan players.
It will be even harder to get out League 2 at the first attempt compared to getting out of the Championship.
Given that we are gone, I think we need some sort of target to keep interest in the season alive.
So can Parky better the record for which he was sacked at Hull ?
I believe they dismissed him for getting just 17pts from 21 games.
For us he currently has 11 pts from 18 games.
So he needs seven points from the games v Reading, Wolves and Preston to do better than he managed at Hull.
No way are we going to get 7 pts from those three games, so we can safely predict his performance for us is going to be worse than the shambles at Hull that earned him the sack.
So perhaps more realistically - can he get more points this season than Pardew ?
Pardew was sacked for getting 16 pts in 18 games.
Parky's record of 11 pts from 18 games is already worse than Pardew's.
But he has ten games left to get six more points, so that he can at least claim he contributed more points to our tally this season than Pardew.
It's going to be touch and go, I reckon! My prediction: he'll just scrape it on the last day of the season with victory over Norwich to send them down with us.
I dont rate Parkinson as a good manager but you have to look at the mess privious managers have made that he is trying to undo and at the current time in the the current situation with the finanical, playing squad problems it looked mission impossible and i for one think that he is doing his best but making some stupid decisions in the meantime which are just building up.
[cite]Posted By: AddickRam[/cite]I dont rate Parkinson as a good manager but you have to look at the mess privious managers have made that he is trying to undo and at the current time in the the current situation with the finanical, playing squad problems it looked mission impossible and i for one think that he is doing his best but making some stupid decisions in the meantime which are just building up.
...but he was very much part & parcel of the Pardew regime, do you not think the mess the previous manager made was also partly down to PP? I mean did he have no say whatsoever in Pardew's signing or tactics - or was he just there to make the tea at half time??
I don't buy this dilly-dally oh-so rational - let's wait & see approach - he has been given ample opportunity & failed miserably. It's not even as if the current squad is not good enough, with the players we have - the current form is unacceptable. I''m not a hire-em, fire-em type (in football terms or with the people I manage) I believe in giving people time to prove themselves.
BUT Parky has been with this club since January 2007 - what has he done (or shown the potentiaal to do) so far, that means he is deserving of more opportunity to screw things up?
Any other club would not tolerate the mess this managment team has gotten us into.
There will not be many on here who know the working relationship between Pardew and Parky. But I think its fairly well known that they disagreed about several players. Racon being one and who we will be lucky to retain next year and that will be a loss.
Presumably by the same logic Kinsella must also share the blame for the current performances and go too!
I'm reluctant to stick the knife into Parky, he's tried hard and done his best but it's clear that the team simply don't believe in him and aren't responding to him. In such circumstances a new face is what is needed.
The is a subtle difference peanut. Parky was brought in by Pardew with a fanfare about how good he was and didn`t he insist on him getting a full contract ? Whereas Kins has little or no experience in management and should not be held responsible imho.
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When I see players like Spring, Burton and Butterfield playing in a Charlton shirt I'm left to wonder as to what was the decision making process that led to them being there? What exactly did the coaching staff and manager see in them? What the hell did they see in them every week in, week out in some cases, these players who are quite obviously unworthy of the first team?
Where Pards failed to find a side after using an inordinate number of players, Parkinson seems incapable of getting the best out of the players he has at his disposal. The loan players, with rare exception, have failed to live up to already low standards set by their predecessors. Existing squad players are so lacking in match fitness that there really isn't any point in playing them. Quite frankly, I would have had more time for Parkinson if he'd played Ambrose, Holland, Grey, etc, and tried to get something out of them rather than employ the services of peripheral club players, journeymen, and not particularly good journeymen at that.
Should we keep Parkinson? What was Parkinson as a manager to the board anyway? Perhaps he feels that, perhaps he, like the rest of us, is just waiting for the axe to fall yet again.
If he did that everyone would be saying why has he continued to use players that didn't perform under Pardew.
Their recent decision making hasn't exactly been a raging success, though has it? Maybe they just don't know any better.
Don't buy the we have no money arguments. Plenty clubs have good managers and teams and manage on a shoestring.
Parkinson is a failure and a clown in equal measure if he had any semblance of respect for himself he would admit his failings and walk away.
Phil, if you are reading this, you ain't up to it at this level so go.
In every way shape and form he has failed. He will do no better next season. Said it before and I'll say it again. The broomshould have swept him out when Pardew went, but money talks.
At present I don't see myself going again this season. My club are a total and utter shambles. It is too painful to sit and watch everything that I have loved about them fall apart.
Those that think we wouldn;'t be able to attract a better manager are deluded. If we wnet to Ince tomorrow he would be working for us by Monday.
This should not be the worst Chrlton team I have ever seen, but it is. Inept and devoid of passion.
I have always loved going to Charlton, I hoped I always would. I now can't face going. If any of the players, the board or the management team are reading this......thanks very much, you have made something I loved into a pile of steaming horse manure.
Renew next season.......? All of a sudden the holiday in Crotia seems more appealing.
I don't feel I'm qualified to comment on Parkinson's managerial abilities, but if he did that well next year that would be 71 or 72 points which would have us in the playoff zone based on this year's league standings. But that's if, not when.
It will be even harder to get out League 2 at the first attempt compared to getting out of the Championship.
New defeats,new teams to lose to.
And new grounds to go to
New kits too please!
then Premier league we would be in 3 seasons
So can Parky better the record for which he was sacked at Hull ?
I believe they dismissed him for getting just 17pts from 21 games.
For us he currently has 11 pts from 18 games.
So he needs seven points from the games v Reading, Wolves and Preston to do better than he managed at Hull.
No way are we going to get 7 pts from those three games, so we can safely predict his performance for us is going to be worse than the shambles at Hull that earned him the sack.
So perhaps more realistically - can he get more points this season than Pardew ?
Pardew was sacked for getting 16 pts in 18 games.
Parky's record of 11 pts from 18 games is already worse than Pardew's.
But he has ten games left to get six more points, so that he can at least claim he contributed more points to our tally this season than Pardew.
It's going to be touch and go, I reckon! My prediction: he'll just scrape it on the last day of the season with victory over Norwich to send them down with us.
If we start next season with him I can't see us bouncing straight away.
We need a fresh face - surely the board can see that
...but he was very much part & parcel of the Pardew regime, do you not think the mess the previous manager made was also partly down to PP? I mean did he have no say whatsoever in Pardew's signing or tactics - or was he just there to make the tea at half time??
I don't buy this dilly-dally oh-so rational - let's wait & see approach - he has been given ample opportunity & failed miserably. It's not even as if the current squad is not good enough, with the players we have - the current form is unacceptable. I''m not a hire-em, fire-em type (in football terms or with the people I manage) I believe in giving people time to prove themselves.
BUT Parky has been with this club since January 2007 - what has he done (or shown the potentiaal to do) so far, that means he is deserving of more opportunity to screw things up?
Any other club would not tolerate the mess this managment team has gotten us into.
Presumably by the same logic Kinsella must also share the blame for the current performances and go too!
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Parky and Pardew were very much a double, Kinsella has stepped up from being reserve team manager. I don't think the same connection can be made.
Presumably the longer Parky is here with poor results the more tainted Kinsella will become?
Anyway I dont care I want Parkinsella to succeed.