My take on this is simple, Parky was always going to be appointed because the board sought to avoid the vacuum that existed after Curbs went when they had to go out and find a new manager externally. When their preferred candidate Billy Davies turned us down we were stuffed and turned to Dowie. So when Pards took over, Parky was installed to be the successor.
They gave him the job, initially on a temporary basis so fans could get use to the idea, and after a terrible run of games they expected that he would win a game or two, they could then say that an improvement has taken place and appoint him permanently. Sadly for them and us, no improvement happened, indeed given the teams we played during that time you could almost say things got worse. So they have to come up with the "story" they have put out, namely there has been an improvement (but not in results) and they want to spend any spare cash on players.
Parky has had his chance already and he has failed. The performance on Saturday (by all accounts) was woeful. We have signed a few, let one or two go since he joined. None have really made a difference. I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need a manager, not a recruitment consultant!
Paul Mortimer was a great player, one of my all time favourites. However when he came out and said that Pardew was a good manager and should be given more time, he lost a lot of my respect.
[cite]Posted By: Red Red Russ[/cite]I feel a change is required. I don't really have anything against Parkinson, but the players need to hear a different voice. Our situation reminds me of when Mclaren took over from Sven. Also, I feel that although Parkinson has a decent record in League One we could go the same way as Derby who were banking on Paul Jewell getting them straight up this year with his proven Championship record but too much rot had set in. I think we could have the same problems next year!
now that my friend is what i am petrified of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think Oggy you have touched on every point in my head about our club right now cheers buddy
i do think though folks that board are being seriously niaeve in ignoring the obvious resentment and anger building up against them.
i refuse to believe a word that they say now and TBH i asked Newshopper to ask some questions and he said he would try, i have no doubt that Paul has requested this chance to speak to them and ask some challenging questions but i fear he has been met with this blackout.
Murray (not muzza anymore) came out and answerd several questions posed to him by the (millwall friendly rag down the road, that if he understands about us he would know we wouldnt buy nor read and if it wasnt for the medium of the internet his comments would pass un noticed), about why he appointed Phil, and that we wont go into administraion, that he and the directors wont let that happen sorry i dont believe you,
a member of YOUR board LIED openly infront of some of us here yet when i re read Murrays answers he took the decision to employ Parkinson
what not the board no chapple no waggot no we ?? i think the only thing that Murrays statement should have done was inform all those who thought he had feck all to do with our club that he still does.
well Mr Murray i would be more concerned about our current plight TBH.
There is no champion of our cause,
it is like no one can or will ask the questions that need answering, the club is no longer ours i am afraid.
we love it we want it so much
but we dont belong anymore
the board are looking at us as if to say more will come, get rid of those that dare criticise.
when we come back round which will happen i can assure you of that it just may not happen until 5 -10 years time with the amount of collateral damage the club will face once we are down.
Mr Murray, Mr Waggot, Mr Chapple, and you faceless others you have taken me for a fool you have taken my love and thrown it smack bang into my face
the diffrence being you are not my mistress
you are not a women who i have split from
you are more than that and i wont let it happen quietly
you will win in the end i am not foolish enough to believe diffrently or that we mean any thing to you any more, but your happy quiet ride could soon be over and a very turbulent and un trusting time be ahead for yourselves
i fear your biggest mistake is that you have taken our kindness for weakness and that my old friend could well come back to haunt you all because when you need us when you see your pot emptying we although the hardcore of us will still be in attendance it wont be enough to help you. we will watch us any where against who ever will you want to be that chairman in the words of the arch enemy Enjoy League one you ?????? add as you wish
im sure parkinson is a decent bloke and doesnt like being the scapegoat for the clubs demise any more than pardew or even curbs in his last year, but football is very much a business now and in this current / permanent economic climate of financial fear when established businesses are going under, i think this needs to be seen not just as a bad run, but more as the potential onset of the first BIG British club going to the wall. IF results dont turn around and our club continues to fall, in 2/3 years Charlton Athletic may cease to trade at any level.
i dont know what is required to bring about change but i do know from experience in the therapy field, that a well know phrase springs to mind and it is this 'YOU CAN'T KEEP DOING THE SAME THING AND EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT!!!' wholesale changes are required at Charlton NOW and it needs to be top down. i know the board have been fantastic over the last 20 years, but fresh ideas and people with the skills to implement them are now more important than sentimentality. Business is business. Goodbye Mr Parkinson and whoever else isn't part of the solution!!!
I haven't posted for a while as I feel so sad about our football club and don't know the answer.
I do know that it was time for Curbs to go - he and the team were getting stale. Since then we have had a procession of non achievers although I did think that Pardew was the right choice at the time. Now I just don't know and it seems that our Board like me are doing nothing because we just don't know any more.
If Parkey goes who replaces him, and if he doesn't work out after another 10 games do we sack him? - come on Mr Murray say something!
[cite]Posted By: Heath Hero[/cite]Where did Pardky say after the Wednesday game that he and the players needed a break from each other? That is a shocking comment if true.
Sure it was on this site quoted from Kent Messenger ? Also reported on other blogs.
Serious questions. a) Do we have any evidence that Pardew received his pay off? b) Do the directors know anything about football? That isn't intended to be a dig, more a sanitised echo of Clough's views on directors. They are hardened business men, yet on the face of it appear to have mightily messed up. I really can't make sense of it, a bit of me still thinks that they must know what they are doing and thus I am trying to find some logical answers.
[cite]Posted By: stilladdicted[/cite]Serious questions. a) Do we have any evidence that Pardew received his pay off? b) Do the directors know anything about football? That isn't intended to be a dig, more a sanitised echo of Clough's views on directors. They are hardened business men, yet on the face of it appear to have mightily messed up. I really can't make sense of it, a bit of me still thinks that they must know what they are doing and thus I am trying to find some logical answers.
If the board are supporters surely their knowledge must be at least the same as people on here?
I notice that a lot of people seem to be screaming at Richard Murray to sort it all out but he does not run the club at the moment think you'll find at Board level he is not the man in power....step forward Mr Chapple & Mr Whitehand.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]I notice that a lot of people seem to be screaming at Richard Murray to sort it all out but he does not run the club at the moment think you'll find at Board level he is not the man in power....step forward Mr Chapple & Mr Whitehand.
Richard Murray is the one face on the Board that we are all familiar with, thanks to his willingness to make himself known to supporters.
So that's the one director we feel we can communicate with, perhaps?
If it's no longer Richard's place, then we'd love to hear from Mr Chappell and Mr Whitehand.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]I notice that a lot of people seem to be screaming at Richard Murray to sort it all out but he does not run the club at the moment think you'll find at Board level he is not the man in power....step forward Mr Chapple & Mr Whitehand.
Agreed. Presumably they gained ascendancy because other board members were getting nervous about their investments so priorities changed to ensure financial survival.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]I notice that a lot of people seem to be screaming at Richard Murray to sort it all out but he does not run the club at the moment think you'll find at Board level he is not the man in power....step forward Mr Chapple & Mr Whitehand.
So we are led to believe. Yet it is Mr Murray who makes the announcements, and gets quoted as stating:
""After discussing the situation, the overwhelming feeling was that Phil was the best man to lead us and rescue us from our current plight."
"We've looked at the alternatives, but the calls and discussions we've had, given the current situation, have led us to conclude that there is no one better than Phil to turn things around"
So in that respect, you can understand why some of the supporter views are directed towards him, because publicly he is very much still playing the role of frontman.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]I notice that a lot of people seem to be screaming at Richard Murray to sort it all out but he does not run the club at the moment think you'll find at Board level he is not the man in power....step forward Mr Chapple & Mr Whitehand.
So we are led to believe. Yet it is Mr Murray who makes the announcements, and gets quoted as stating:
""After discussing the situation, the overwhelming feeling was that Phil was the best man to lead us and rescue us from our current plight."
"We've looked at the alternatives, but the calls and discussions we've had, given the current situation, have led us to conclude that there is no one better than Phil to turn things around"
So in that respect, you can understand why some of the supporter views are directed towards him, because publicly he is very much still playing the role of frontman.
You are 100% Correct, hence the last few words of my message are the ones that need attention, but will they ? I have my doubts.
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They gave him the job, initially on a temporary basis so fans could get use to the idea, and after a terrible run of games they expected that he would win a game or two, they could then say that an improvement has taken place and appoint him permanently. Sadly for them and us, no improvement happened, indeed given the teams we played during that time you could almost say things got worse. So they have to come up with the "story" they have put out, namely there has been an improvement (but not in results) and they want to spend any spare cash on players.
Parky has had his chance already and he has failed. The performance on Saturday (by all accounts) was woeful. We have signed a few, let one or two go since he joined. None have really made a difference. I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need a manager, not a recruitment consultant!
He has to go, even at this late stage.
now that my friend is what i am petrified of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i do think though folks that board are being seriously niaeve in ignoring the obvious resentment and anger building up against them.
i refuse to believe a word that they say now and TBH i asked Newshopper to ask some questions and he said he would try, i have no doubt that Paul has requested this chance to speak to them and ask some challenging questions but i fear he has been met with this blackout.
Murray (not muzza anymore) came out and answerd several questions posed to him by the (millwall friendly rag down the road, that if he understands about us he would know we wouldnt buy nor read and if it wasnt for the medium of the internet his comments would pass un noticed), about why he appointed Phil, and that we wont go into administraion, that he and the directors wont let that happen sorry i dont believe you,
a member of YOUR board LIED openly infront of some of us here yet when i re read Murrays answers he took the decision to employ Parkinson
what not the board no chapple no waggot no we ?? i think the only thing that Murrays statement should have done was inform all those who thought he had feck all to do with our club that he still does.
well Mr Murray i would be more concerned about our current plight TBH.
There is no champion of our cause,
it is like no one can or will ask the questions that need answering, the club is no longer ours i am afraid.
we love it we want it so much
but we dont belong anymore
the board are looking at us as if to say more will come, get rid of those that dare criticise.
when we come back round which will happen i can assure you of that it just may not happen until 5 -10 years time with the amount of collateral damage the club will face once we are down.
Mr Murray, Mr Waggot, Mr Chapple, and you faceless others you have taken me for a fool you have taken my love and thrown it smack bang into my face
the diffrence being you are not my mistress
you are not a women who i have split from
you are more than that and i wont let it happen quietly
you will win in the end i am not foolish enough to believe diffrently or that we mean any thing to you any more, but your happy quiet ride could soon be over and a very turbulent and un trusting time be ahead for yourselves
i fear your biggest mistake is that you have taken our kindness for weakness and that my old friend could well come back to haunt you all because when you need us when you see your pot emptying we although the hardcore of us will still be in attendance it wont be enough to help you. we will watch us any where against who ever will you want to be that chairman in the words of the arch enemy Enjoy League one you ?????? add as you wish
i dont know what is required to bring about change but i do know from experience in the therapy field, that a well know phrase springs to mind and it is this 'YOU CAN'T KEEP DOING THE SAME THING AND EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT!!!'
wholesale changes are required at Charlton NOW and it needs to be top down. i know the board have been fantastic over the last 20 years, but fresh ideas and people with the skills to implement them are now more important than sentimentality. Business is business.
Goodbye Mr Parkinson and whoever else isn't part of the solution!!!
I do know that it was time for Curbs to go - he and the team were getting stale.
Since then we have had a procession of non achievers although I did think that Pardew was the right choice at the time.
Now I just don't know and it seems that our Board like me are doing nothing because we just don't know any more.
If Parkey goes who replaces him, and if he doesn't work out after another 10 games do we sack him? - come on Mr Murray say something!
The house is burning,
But no one is dialling 999 for the Fire Brigade.
No more Loan-players.
Play the players who WANT to be there and play for CHARLTON ATHLETIC FOOTBALL CLUB.
SIMPLE AS THAT.
How many more winless games is Pardky allowed :
Five?
Ten?
The rest of the season (18)?
He's been promised the job for life , with an engraved presentation clock at the end of it?
that's 19 then!
Sure it was on this site quoted from Kent Messenger ? Also reported on other blogs.
If the board are supporters surely their knowledge must be at least the same as people on here?
Can't be any worse than the shite we've been served up, surely?
I wouldn't have mentioned Parky's 'needing a break from the players' comments, unless they had first been in print.
I was pretty hacked off on Saturday, and only read the Beeb, KM and OS - so it was definitely in writing on one of those sites, probably on the OS.
I've checked and it's definitely been edited out.
Richard Murray is the one face on the Board that we are all familiar with, thanks to his willingness to make himself known to supporters.
So that's the one director we feel we can communicate with, perhaps?
If it's no longer Richard's place, then we'd love to hear from Mr Chappell and Mr Whitehand.
Agreed. Presumably they gained ascendancy because other board members were getting nervous about their investments so priorities changed to ensure financial survival.
Maybe there are no answers - but a little communication with supporters wouldn't go amiss at the moment.
So we are led to believe. Yet it is Mr Murray who makes the announcements, and gets quoted as stating:
""After discussing the situation, the overwhelming feeling was that Phil was the best man to lead us and rescue us from our current plight."
"We've looked at the alternatives, but the calls and discussions we've had, given the current situation, have led us to conclude that there is no one better than Phil to turn things around"
So in that respect, you can understand why some of the supporter views are directed towards him, because publicly he is very much still playing the role of frontman.
You are 100% Correct, hence the last few words of my message are the ones that need attention, but will they ? I have my doubts.