The management poll we run in May lent the following results
The manager should be replaced in the summer - 11%
The manager should remain, but given till November for signs of improvement - 17%
The manager should be fully backed, and given the whole of next season for improvement - 73%
133 votes
I added this comment:
I voted to be backed until November.
There has been a ridiculous amount of change at the club in the last year or so. Managers, coaches, players, more recently chairman, and soon to be Chief Executive. Further change for change sake will not be of benefit to anyone.
We have underperformed massively, and as head figure, Pardew must take the lion share of responsibility for that. He is handsomely paid for that priviledge. He now knows everything there is to know about our current squad, and should be given the backing to tinker with it in the Summer. If we are showing signs of improvement come November, then play on. If however we have fallen further behind, then with a month to the January window, then is the time to replace.
To me, at the time that felt a fair and measured approach. As yet, i have seen no signs that we are moving forward again as a team. Yes finances are extremely unfavourable, and would of been a hinderance for whoever the manager is, but it is approaching two years in the job now, and similar mistakes continue to crop up. Many say we have talented individuals, yet we appear to have not a clue how to approach this division, and are forever inconsistent in performance. We are never a side that can consistently play expansive football with penetration, nor are we a team of battlers who will choke the game out of the opposition.
The signings of Bailey and Hudson have been relative successes on early indications, but i have yet to see a single individual improve as a player under Pardew's stewardship. Indeed, although most have flat-lined, others have clearly gone backwards.
Now is not the time to make rash decisions, particularly with the club in limbo with regards the takeover. But the next seven games (4 home, 3 away) will shape the fate of whether i want Pardew to remain as manager or not. We may well prove too good to remain near a relegation position, but this club cannot risk dropping another division with our finances in their current state.
Read what you put in May poll, do you stick by your opinion, have you changed your stance ?
Considered posts on your opinion and not criticism of others only please
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I think that approach is a little bit too risky. I favour the "score more goals than the opposition" approach! ;o)
Week after week I see the same mistakes being made. The team doesn't seem to be motivated into doing anything. And when we lose we see the same crap being spouted about how we did well until they scored/ref decision cost us etc.
Tactically he doesn't seem to have a clue either. I wonder what Pards/Parkinson do all week during training.
We won't get rid though.
EDIT TO SAY:
The next 4 games-
Bristol, Burnley and Barnsley at home, Ipswich away. All winnable. If we don't get a good amount from them then I see Pardew being under considerable pressure
and later on a different thread something on similar lines a month or two ago.
Everyone sees things differently, but my view hasn't changed (except well he hadn't quite lost the fans back then). I really don't think he's anything special whatsoever and takeover or not I would seriously consider moving him on before we get into serious relegation issues. He's pretty much a blagger with very little substance, something which I am pretty disappointed about.
I don't have any inside information so this is purely a gut feel based on things that he has said and some players have said, but my worry, (mentioned on another thread) is that he is more of a mentor to players than a manager. Does he get too close to them? He chops and changes the team so he's clearly not afraid to make changes but does he give them a kick in the a*se enough or even at all? Do they know what is required of them in terms of playing for the shirt.
You can drop/chop players within a squad situation with or without sending the message to underperformers that they need. Squad rotation can just be an easy excuse not to give players the jolt they sometimes need to get the best out of them.
Look at the job that Capello has done for England. Gone is the "Stevie G, Becks and Lamps" bullshit of McLaren, and swept away is all the WAGs crap. Capello has got them more disciplined, playing for the shirt and they have responded. No player, unless he is playing at the top of his game, can assume he will be picked.
Take Luke Varney for example, Pards kept faith with him at the start of the season. Yes that's good motivational stuff but how has that faith been repaid? Certainly not in goals.
As I said at the start, I still think the best course is to keep faith with Pards but he does need to earn his corn. What I think though doesn't count for anything and I fear that time is running out for him, unless there is a real change of fortune.
how low can we go and keep on underperforming
without this takeover going thru i really fear for the general direction of this club, we've straight lined since curbs left (hopefully the same will happen to west ham)
can't think of a decent replacement that will come to us
i still remain (in the minority) of the opinion that if dowie had stayed we'd be much better off than we are now... where are qpr in the table??
if he stays though and we finish mid-table and then he is sacked any new manager won't know what he is working with. For instance, Zabeel bring in a Spanish manager. How does he know what say Moo2 can do/can't do, how can he assess the squad. I'd rather replace him now and give the new man this season to bed in, assess fully the squad, assess the strengths and weaknessess of it and then mount a serious challenge next season. In the meantime if he comes in, can motivate the current squad (still good enough for top six imo)and get us up then even better. I've lost all confidence in Pardew.
I still think it boils down to "who else do we get in?".
Allardyce? Davies?
Parkinson and Kinsella are already in the current setup so does that suggest they are going to be the same as we have at the moment?
I don't know - I think we should stick with him but he needs to take a good hard look at himself, his decisions. Stop trying to be the players' mate (which i get that impression), kick some arse and get them playing to their potential. Because if they do we are good enough to get at least into the playoffs.
Parky and Kins would basically repeat everything that Pards has done;
I understand it must be difficult , but the "management" need to step back from the pally side and leave their impression on the team. Curbs was lucky he had Keith Peacock as the "buffer"(for wont of a better word) between him and the team, I get the impression that no such distance exists anymore.
speaks for its self really.
Roll onto 07/08 and I really thought for a while in the CCC we looked as if promotion was a distinct possibility. From about February onwards though it fell away badly,definately a motivation issue there I think and the eventual 11th placing was as we all know pretty poor in the end.
This season on the pitch over 11 games in and 19th place in the league I have sadly lost faith in his ability to turn things around, what with his baffling tactics, odd selections,lack of consistency and a sound sample ready to play of his sundry excuses I think that under Pardew we have essentially come to the end of the line.
More time would inevitably lead to more of the same, the ever diminishing returns are there for all to see but as ever the question of a successor depends largely on finances, availability etc. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than for him to prove me wrong, sadly I just don't think he will.
9 wins
6 Draws
15 Loses.
My view now is two fold depending on the takeover:
If the club is taken over the management should be reviewed immediately with the expectation of a new manager in place before the January window so he can assess the situation before entering into the market.
If the club is not taken over then we carry on as we are as we can't afford anything else.
He says his teams always play good football, but for a lot of games last season, we hoofed the ball up to Iwelumo. Clearly not going to work with our team, but we try and play football for a bit, then go back to the hopeful long ball stuff.
There's a few major problems, no one including Pardew knows our best team, we simply don't have one. We don't have much going forward, as most of our attacking players are very inconsistent.
I often feel when we play well, some of it is down to the opposition having an off day, or us getting a bit of luck.
That said, if we don't win either of these next two home games this week then I can see more and more people lining up to take a swing. I don't normally call for managers heads - in fact I never have done - but if (heaven forbid!) we lost these next two games then it wouldn't be looking good. Doesn't look great now ......... but that would really be a bit "sticky"!
Agree 100% with that. I was willing to give him time but we can't score goals and Dickson (who might not be the answer but he couldn't score any less) is not even on the bench. Last game he took Cranie off at h/t - Semedo plays out of his skin. What does he do? Start with Cranie again and pull him off at half time again - for Semedo, who then lasts 4 minutes. Unbelievable.