Ok, last night was pretty shambolic. I havent seen any positive threads, and it sounded awful on the radio...apart from you that went....magnificent support heard loud and clear on the radio.
So playing devils advocate and not wishing to start any rows...just to see what the general feeling is, just say yes if you think Alan has lost the fans support and No if you think the "majority" are still behind the man in the hot seat. No debating on time frames or possible successors.....
My answer is YES
Lets try and keep it lighthearted :-) We need a bit of a cheer up
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after the Sheffield Wednesday game, i said to myself that i would give him untill the Palace game.
So my answer is a firm Yes!!
Other than giving it to Kinsella - i don't want managers like Sam Allardyce, Billy Davies, Alan Curbishley (although i would acceptif we got him) , who ot there AVAILABLE is realistically better.
Name names people come on.
I even heard people singing for Chris Powell last night
oh dear
stop it you sensible ones you bugger
And then to come out and say we were unlucky. He is pushing it. Maybe he wants a nice little pay out ;-)
The big problem for us is we still have a lot of players that don't sweat blood, there are 4 that from what I've seen this year that do and yet you'll disagree with 2 of them! Holland, Varney, Baily & Younga, yes Younga. A few more of that type and I'd be a happy boy. ZZ needs to get back and 2 up fromt is required at all times. Classic example of that was Forest away. Had we started with 2 up front we would have beaten them.
So, rant over, in answer to the question, not yet, but untill he goes we are a mid / low table CCC club.
Despite feeling depressed this morning, I still support him 100%. But we very much need to see signs of progress over the next month. If that fails to materialise, then i'll start questioning my logic.
This is a long season where things change very quickly. One win can very quickly turn into a run. We're having a bad spell at the moment, but that's when you have to suck it in and ride it.
This time last year Watford were well clear and Palace were bottom 2.
Lets make one thing clear. We all know Pardew is not going to be sacked in the next few weeks, that is given. So people attempting to cause unrest now will serve no purpose other than seeing us implode further.
Is that what you really want ?
Our team is capable of a top six finish on paper - I truly believe this, but Pards cannot get the best out of them and in my view is a very average Manager, he is tatically weak in my view in is strategy, selections and subsitutions. I voiced my concerns on this very early on (beginning of last season) before results started being poor. I don't pretend to be an expert of some kind I just say it as I see it, based on many years watching football from the stands.
In terms of losing the fans this largely goes on results I would guess. Its not like he hasn't had a long time at the club, however he does have a huge built in excuse due to the massive outgoings and few incomings during the summer. I actually think things might be worse if the restructuring hadn't ocurred.
I think if we go another up to say 10 games and win none he will most certainly have a problem with the fans, not sure about the Board though.
Was the worst Charlton performance i have seen in a long, long time.
Tactically all wrong and no passion from the players.
Looking at our squad and comparing it others in the division anything less than a top six finish is simply not good enough.
Our team is capable of a top six finish on paper - I truly believe this, but Pards cannot get the best out of them and in my view is a very average Manager, he is tatically weak in my view in is strategy, selections and subsitutions. I voiced my concerns on this very early on (beginning of last season) before results started being poor. I don't pretend to be an expert of some kind I just say it as I see it, based on many years watching football from the stands.
In terms of losing the fans this largely goes on results I would guess. Its not like he hasn't had a long time at the club, however he does have a huge built in excuse due to the massive outgoings and few incomings during the summer. I actually think things might be worse if the restructuring hadn't ocurred.
I think if we go another up to say 10 games and win none he will most certainly have a problem with the fans, not sure about the Board though.[/quote]
Sums up my feelings as well.
we are in the mire at the moment but the league is so poor we could be top 6 by November. . .
Maybe he needs to be hated to perform....
Curbs is a big step backwards IMO, so he's a no.
I just wish Pardew would stick to a settled side, what has Moo2 done wrong to warrant being dropped and replaced by the hapless Cranie.
Also, he admitted last season that he swapped and changed the team too much, and this season he seems to be doing exactly the same thing - obviously Fortune's injured so he needed replacing but to keep swapping Moo2 for Cranie, playing Gray with Varney, then dropping Gray to the bench just doesn't make sense.
Pardew needs to realise that a 5 man midfield just tempts us to hoof long balls, it doesn't work, so play 4-4-2 with Varney on the right and Gray and Toddy upfront, or even 4-3-1-2 with Varney just behind the front two.
Just read that back and it probably makes little or no sense, but it's from the heart - Charlton are my club always will be and I'm hurting today over the state of our performances and the fact that I have little or no confidence in the team at the moment.
Maybe he needs to be hated to perform....[/quote]
Last night was a good start!!
Who's going to be brave enough to tell her that she was right at the very beginning?
Seriously, as AFKA has just said, what's the point of demanding Pards gets sacked?
We are in a disappointing run and we do appear tactically deficient.
But will demanding the manager be sacked, and no doubt the inevitable boo-ing, make any difference to next Saturday's result?
It will just put our club into crisis.
Top post Pete, I have to say I agree.
Ambrose was a competent performer in the Premiership for Ipswich and Newcastle
ZZ is China captain
if Palace have anyone as good as that apart from Watson in midfield then you're watching a different game of football to me