Actually Nicky Johns left a message on my mobile about a year ago asking if he could come and talk at City Addicks. I have no idea who gave him my number. It was just after the brilliant Lennie Lawrence/John Humphrey night so perhaps its was JH.
He never left me a number and never called back.. in fact i took my phone home and said to Ian.. "here do you know who this fella is on my voicemail!!" Clueless me.
Nicky Johns, if only cos he had Peter Shaw in front of him!!!! Shaw was the biggest donkey of a defender I have ever seen!! Bloody awful. Who remembers the Peter Shaw song?
Good to see there's plenty of other oldies on here giving Johns the vote. For me it was him first, Bolder a close second then, if I'm honest, by some distance Deano third. The bloke can hardly kick a ball straight fer gawds sake and no matter what you say that is a quality you need to be considered a top class goalie.
Bob Bolder for me followed closely by Johns and Kiely. My mum still has a plaster cast model I made of Bob Bolder when I was about 10 in her dining room! It's shite and looks nothing like him but she seems to like it!!!
Suppose I've got to give Andy Peake's cameo performance in goal, think it was against Soton if memory serves me right. Wasn't up there with the Brown or Gritt efforts though.
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]deano's kicking was poor but i thought nicky johns had a poor kick as well or is that my old mind playing tricks on me
Addick2000 - so as you are in the best position to answer - was Big Sam our best ever goalie?
Its too difficult to tell. I've been in Australia since 1970 so I've only seen games on TV. He was probably the most commanding, dominant and flamboyant keeper, although even thats very subjective.
As a pure shot stopper I find it hard to go past Sasha Ilic, but Deano was good as well except when he comes (or doesn't come) off the line.
Has to be Bob Bolder for me. I just used to be in awe of him, especially as he'd been at Liverpool (did'nt matter to me the why's & wherefores back then). Don't get me wrong, i love Deano for all the reasons already said. But Bob just had that extra special scariness. And since he & Johnny H took care of the Killer Clan on Tom Smith Day, he has gone even further up in my estimations. Love you Bob!
Deano is the only one (Bartram, Wright, Johns, Bolder, Kiely) of the main contenders to have had to cope with the no picking up a backpass rule (how would Nicky Johns and Les Berry cope today?!) he is therefore being harshly judged as you are not comparing like with like.
It is easier to get direction and distance punting or drop kicking from hand than kicking off the floor in my opinion.
That said Sam Bartram was almost good enough as a pro to play left half so he would surely have had no trouble with the back pass rule so perhaps he genuinely is the greatest.
with reference to the kicking i find it odd that weaver likes to roll the ball on the deck before launching it long as opposed to volleying/half volleying it from his hands
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]Just an observation on the kicking thing.
Deano is the only one (Bartram, Wright, Johns, Bolder, Kiely) of the main contenders to have had to cope with the no picking up a backpass rule (how would Nicky Johns and Les Berry cope today?!) he is therefore being harshly judged as you are not comparing like with like.
It is easier to get direction and distance punting or drop kicking from hand than kicking off the floor in my opinion.
That said Sam Bartram was almost good enough as a pro to play left half so he would surely have had no trouble with the back pass rule so perhaps he genuinely is the greatest.
Bolder was Charlton's keeper at the time of the rule change, so he had to suddenly adapt the way he was used to playing throughout his career.
I've got one of big Bobs gloves from the play off game at St Andrews - but it's still Johns for me, as Chicago said, the defence in front of him was hardly our tightest.
Bob Bolder is host when i scam the comply tickets in the prawn sandwiches department and he is still a huge favourite of mine nth london jr thinks he is great and i have a cracking picture of the 3 of us together Bob Bolder legend
Everyone (including Bingaddick) has forgotten John Hewie. Three games in goal, I believe. I also think he wore every shirt number between 1-11 for charlton except 7.
my only complaint about N Johns was when he was playing for QPR and when they scored against us he turned around and started to celerbrate the goal.This was at there ground back in the 80's he narked me with that one after all the time he had spent with us!
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He never left me a number and never called back.. in fact i took my phone home and said to Ian.. "here do you know who this fella is on my voicemail!!" Clueless me.
Whoops, didn't mean to insult your Deano obsession! Sorry...
Shaw was the biggest donkey of a defender I have ever seen!! Bloody awful.
Who remembers the Peter Shaw song?
Deano gets it though, prem keeper!
I think it was a header Gritt was off his line and back peddled a couple of yards and tipped over the bar at full stretch!!
But for me it has to be Nicky Johns with Bobby Bolder a close second!
Bolder had Caton, Pates, Shirtliff and McLaughlin protecting him.
Deano had Rufus, Costa, Fish and Brown protecting him.
Johns had Shaw, Dugdale, Berry and Tony Hazell!
F*ck me, end of conversation and thread - Johns wins hands down!
Suppose I've got to give Andy Peake's cameo performance in goal, think it was against Soton if memory serves me right. Wasn't up there with the Brown or Gritt efforts though.
Love Deano too
Its too difficult to tell. I've been in Australia since 1970 so I've only seen games on TV. He was probably the most commanding, dominant and flamboyant keeper, although even thats very subjective.
As a pure shot stopper I find it hard to go past Sasha Ilic, but Deano was good as well except when he comes (or doesn't come) off the line.
Deano is the only one (Bartram, Wright, Johns, Bolder, Kiely) of the main contenders to have had to cope with the no picking up a backpass rule (how would Nicky Johns and Les Berry cope today?!) he is therefore being harshly judged as you are not comparing like with like.
It is easier to get direction and distance punting or drop kicking from hand than kicking off the floor in my opinion.
That said Sam Bartram was almost good enough as a pro to play left half so he would surely have had no trouble with the back pass rule so perhaps he genuinely is the greatest.
im a bit pissed but i love bob bolder... end of
Bloke was a genius
Remember the thread is headed, "Your favourite Charlton keeper of your lifetime ?"
Not necessarily the best keeper......... ;o)
Charlie Wright was "fun" when I was younger. I still remember the penalty save at Oxford.