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Planning Application for Lansdowne Mews

Curb_It
Curb_It Posts: 21,232
edited May 2012 in General Charlton
http://onlineplanning.greenwich.gov.uk/acolnet/planningonline/acolnetcgi.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=69377

Does this effect stadium expansion?
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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,870
    my sources at the club who I shall refer to as 'AirmnBrwn' to preserve anonymity says - yes, buggered it.
  • Chirpy Red
    Chirpy Red Posts: 7,587
    http://onlineplanning.greenwich.gov.uk/acolnet/planningonline/acolnetcgi.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=69377

    Does this effect stadium expansion?
    It's buggered it.
  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,232
    Chirpy you were beaten by One Lung
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,870
    edited May 2012
    he always reads my comments....
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,536
    Did the Club object to the application?
  • Chirpy Red
    Chirpy Red Posts: 7,587
    Chirpy you were beaten by One Lung
    Story of my life.....
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,242
    Did the Club object to the application?
    It says three "against" comments but they could as easily come from other residents.

    I seem to remember that one of the issues with not having access to that land was that it prevented access to the site for cranes etc to build the stand rather than being space for the Stand itself. But stand to be corrected.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    Is this the same land that was going to be sold a few years back along with the training ground?

    We were then later told that individual directors had bought the land. Or were those transactions completely different?



  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,232
    It says that 3 objections received but doesnt list who or the contents of the objections, from what I can make out.

    Can they object to it on the grounds they want to expand themselves? Sorry I dont know the ins and outs of planning apps.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,038
    Has the Target 40k group discussed this? If so, what was said?

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,242
    Is this the same land that was going to be sold a few years back along with the training ground?

    We were then later told that individual directors had bought the land. Or were those transactions completely different?



    I THINK it is the same land

  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,435
    Can they object to it on the grounds they want to expand themselves? Sorry I dont know the ins and outs of planning apps.
    I suspect such an objection would be met with a response of "Well you shouldn't have sold the land then".

  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,536
    Conspiracy theory in my head says it's all part of the plan to move us to Greenwich Peninsula...
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    Why do I get the feeling that The Valley days are numbered?

    :-(

    Another good thing gone.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,016
    Is this the same land that was going to be sold a few years back along with the training ground?

    We were then later told that individual directors had bought the land. Or were those transactions completely different?


    That sounds right
  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,232
    Why do I get the feeling that The Valley days are numbered?

    :-(

    Another good thing gone.
    eh? Bit dramatic even for you len?

  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,536
    Snap, Len - but sure it's a few years away yet...

    Let's enjoy the moment!
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,600
    Have we not already got planning permission for some expansion?

    This application has not been granted yet so are we being concerned unneccessarily ?

  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    Why do I get the feeling that The Valley days are numbered?

    :-(

    Another good thing gone.
    eh? Bit dramatic even for you len?

    Just an opinion.

    If expansion is "buggered" it is highly likely to happen.

    Realistic rather than dramatic.
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,435
    Have we not already got planning permission for some expansion?
    Airman said in the other thread "This land was a key element of the east stand development, permission for which has lapsed."


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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,600
    Have we not already got planning permission for some expansion?
    Airman said in the other thread "This land was a key element of the east stand development, permission for which has lapsed."

    sorry, what thread is that ?

  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,070
    We'd only sell out 5/6 games in the Prem with the current capacity, I wouldnt worry about not having a 40k stadium just yet.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    Have we not already got planning permission for some expansion?
    Airman said in the other thread "This land was a key element of the east stand development, permission for which has lapsed."

    sorry, what thread is that ?

    Disabled Parking thread.
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,435
    Have we not already got planning permission for some expansion?
    Airman said in the other thread "This land was a key element of the east stand development, permission for which has lapsed."

    sorry, what thread is that ?

    Disabled Parking - it's where this all came to light, quite by chance really.

  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,242
    Have we not already got planning permission for some expansion?

    This application has not been granted yet so are we being concerned unneccessarily ?

    The five year period of that permission has expired. My (limited) understanding of planning rules are that once you've been given permission once it is easier to get it again but that may not be the case if there has been a significant change in the meantime

    If you want a conspiracy theory then rather than leaving the Valley perhaps the land owners are playing poker with the CAFC board. They know it will be an issue for the Club so are trying to get more dosh out of us by pretending to go down the road of building a block of flats. 20% Flats get built, 70% CAFC buy the land back, 10% we leave the Valley

  • cafcdan18
    cafcdan18 Posts: 3,664
    edited May 2012
    If we were to get back to a postion where expansion was worthwhile, there may be an opportunity to buy the land back.

    Not as if we need the extra capacity just yet, and having seen that Wolves spent millions on their expansion (possibly instead of investing in players), and where they are heading, we should not be in a rush. Read somewhere that Wolves have halted their development (they've got a new stand behind the goal, but decided to delay expansion of the Steve Bull stand I think) and now that part of their ground looks unfinished. Would ideally not want that at The Valley.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,016
    ... perhaps the land owners are playing poker with the CAFC board.

    Could be ... the fact that the new 'owners' tried to charge 20 quid to park there on saturday shows they are aware of what the land means to Charlton ... this is likely to be resolved in some way over the summer as the disabled parking places are no longer available and I would expect the club to find a solution ... if they move the parking elsewhere then maybe we will not try to get the land back.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,282
    ^hm, ransom strip theory, I like it Henry.
  • Beckboy
    Beckboy Posts: 1,682
    I understand there sending yann down to have a word ;-)
  • HardyAddick
    HardyAddick Posts: 1,638
    it is the same land. LenGlover is right. The land was sold on. I thought it did not affect the expansion but as henry says, crane access MIGHT be an issue but must be way round it.

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