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Climate Emergency
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Consumerism and excessive consumption is absolutely an issue. But to try and frame it around the individual is to be taken in by big oil/gas propaganda. The whole reason they came up with the idea of a carbon footprint was to detract away from their part in it and put it on individuals.redlanered said:All this talk is about what 'the UK', 'China', i.e governments are doing. But there are things individuals can do to help, and some of the trends in the rich and middle-income world (more cruises, flights, data usage, crypto) are not helping. Ultimately, do enough people really care enough?
It absolutely has to be led by governments. To give an example France has introduced laws to remove fast fashion which is a massive cause of things being sent to landfill. That's gonna have far more of an impact than people choosing not to buy shein individually.
I have spoken on this thread and others about the role small actions and individuals decisions can play in influencing both governments and markets. And those actions are absolutely needed. But the aim is to influence governments and markets not to save the world on your own. Small changes are Important but can only go so far.3 -
But plenty of people simply want to have 4 flight holidays a year, and find an excuse.ME14addick said:
When we have social media awash with mis/disinformation, and far too many calling man made climate change a scam, there will always be people using that as a reason not to do anything. They will wish they had decided to care enough when they themselves are impacted.redlanered said:All this talk is about what 'the UK', 'China', i.e governments are doing. But there are things individuals can do to help, and some of the trends in the rich and middle-income world (more cruises, flights, data usage, crypto) are not helping. Ultimately, do enough people really care enough?0 -
I agree, there is definitely a case for taxing flying far more and spending the money raised on green energy. Make the polluters pay.redlanered said:
But plenty of people simply want to have 4 flight holidays a year, and find an excuse.ME14addick said:
When we have social media awash with mis/disinformation, and far too many calling man made climate change a scam, there will always be people using that as a reason not to do anything. They will wish they had decided to care enough when they themselves are impacted.redlanered said:All this talk is about what 'the UK', 'China', i.e governments are doing. But there are things individuals can do to help, and some of the trends in the rich and middle-income world (more cruises, flights, data usage, crypto) are not helping. Ultimately, do enough people really care enough?0 -
Perhaps it would be even worse. We need a mechanism where people/governments who are committed to tackling climate change can exchange ideas with others who will actually try to implement them and where meaningful targets can be agreed that participants' nations actively work towards. Whether COP can ever truly be that mechanism is open to question, but I don't think filling it with bad actors* who want to work against such aims is going to improve things.ME14addick said:
If the leaders of countries like China and the USA attended COP, perhaps it would not be a joke. In that respect they can be lumped together.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Those seats will be dominated by lobbyists from the oil and gas companies, COP is basically a joke at this point, look at where it’s being hosted fgs, hardly setting a good example.ME14addick said:cantersaddick said:
I think he was maybe challenging the idea of China being a big polluter. They are making massive strides in renewables and green tech. Their grid is likely to be decarbonised by end of 2027 before any European country. They have developed the first solid state batteries which will genuinely revolutionise renewable energy. They have made massive strides with EV's - in cities I think it's half of all vehicles on the road are EV (not half of new vehicles sold). They're even developing mad new technology like solar on satellites and wirelessly beaming the energy down to earth!ME14addick said:
Unless you've heard differently, I believe the leaders of those countries are not attending.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Ignorance must really be bliss.ME14addick said:Stig said:Last year it was stated that COP wasn't fit for purpose. This year it seems worse as there's less consensus about the need for collective action and more 'drill baby, drill'. Meanwhile, here in Essex (and I suspect many other places in the UK) we're running low on water in November!
Hanningfield Reservoir, Thursday 8th November.
With big polluters like the USA, China & India refusing to attend COP 30, the world is in a very bad way.
I'm not gonna pretend they don't have issues, there are still a lot of factories using coal but that number is falling every day due to good government policy. And its pretty hard to attribute those emissions to China when the factories are only there to serve the excessive consumerism of the west.I would still have liked the biggest polluters to have had a seat at the COP table. The most worrying of all though is the action/inaction of the United States and the amount if mis/disinformation out there.
To lump China, one of the modest proactive green countries on the plant with America is just insanity.
*I'm not referring to China here, but the US has withdrawn from the Paris agreement, the Gulf States are banging out oil, whilst Brazil has been ripping up rainforest.0 -
Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.0 -
Down here recently there was a climate emergency protest, there was also a counter protest (I know) and among the banners was one that said “I just want to fly and eat meat” wish I’d got a photo of it.2
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I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!msomerton said:Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.0 -
Not a chance. Lifespan too short for them to ever evolve into anything advanced. There's potential for cephalods to evolve from rudimentary intelligence to something more complex, but they have to get over that hump first, and they've had 300 million years to do that with no success.Huskaris said:
I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!msomerton said:Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.
Same reason cockroaches can't ever succeed as a dominant species - basic biology is against them.0 -
Start by taxing jet fuel the same as we do car fuel. Currently not taxed at all.ME14addick said:
I agree, there is definitely a case for taxing flying far more and spending the money raised on green energy. Make the polluters pay.redlanered said:
But plenty of people simply want to have 4 flight holidays a year, and find an excuse.ME14addick said:
When we have social media awash with mis/disinformation, and far too many calling man made climate change a scam, there will always be people using that as a reason not to do anything. They will wish they had decided to care enough when they themselves are impacted.redlanered said:All this talk is about what 'the UK', 'China', i.e governments are doing. But there are things individuals can do to help, and some of the trends in the rich and middle-income world (more cruises, flights, data usage, crypto) are not helping. Ultimately, do enough people really care enough?
I'd also allow 1 short haul and 1 long haul trip per person per year at a standard tax rate on them. Then for every trip beyond that I would double the tax rates. Business trips would all be subject to the higher tax - use MS teams, at this point its just an excuse for a jolly.
I'd also remove all subsidies and tax breaks for oil and gas companies, take the green subsidies off the standing charge and pay them from general taxation (from the savings from not subsidising drilling for oil) immediately bringing down bills.
All cash raised to go on green investment.1 -
It's a very human perspective to imagine that success is about intelligence or dominance. Success is about existing.Leroy Ambrose said:
Not a chance. Lifespan too short for them to ever evolve into anything advanced. There's potential for cephalods to evolve from rudimentary intelligence to something more complex, but they have to get over that hump first, and they've had 300 million years to do that with no success.Huskaris said:
I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!msomerton said:Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.
Same reason cockroaches can't ever succeed as a dominant species - basic biology is against them.1 -
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swordfish said:
Whilst we aim to achieve net zero China the biggest manufacture in the world is building extra power stations and factories and we’re buying extra goods off them. You see the amount of goods we own which state ‘Made in China’
We’re not achieving net zero, we are exporting it over to China. Until every single Country works to stop Global Warming it is never going to be achievable. It’s costing the Country billions and we need to take manufacturing back to the UK to save money.
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It will never happen because people like making money too much, which will continue right up until the last resource is drained out of the planet and it’s left empty and dead, and the descendants of those responsible take of in their rocket to Mars.0
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'The world will be inherited by' doesn't mean 'will continue to exist alongside other species in the same way they have for 300 millions years' palStig said:
It's a very human perspective to imagine that success is about intelligence or dominance. Success is about existing.Leroy Ambrose said:
Not a chance. Lifespan too short for them to ever evolve into anything advanced. There's potential for cephalods to evolve from rudimentary intelligence to something more complex, but they have to get over that hump first, and they've had 300 million years to do that with no success.Huskaris said:
I read an article yesterday saying that the world will be inherited by the octopus should mankind be wiped out. Good to know!msomerton said:Even if global warming causes the extinction of many species even us, it will not mean the end of life on this planet. Evolution will still carry on, as it has done after many previous mass extinction.
Life will probably cease to exist about one billion years into the future.
Same reason cockroaches can't ever succeed as a dominant species - basic biology is against them.0 -
I feel like this a lot but I also have hope that we can fundamentally change that economic system that you describe. It's eating more and more people alive. It will sooner or later go too far and change will come. We can build a better world. I'm sure of it.EugenesAxe said:It will never happen because people like making money too much, which will continue right up until the last resource is drained out of the planet and it’s left empty and dead, and the descendants of those responsible take of in their rocket to Mars.2 -
Climate change is happening right now and the effects will be felt by people who are living now. The children of today will be facing a very different world from the one I grew up in.
The Philippines facing a second very destructive typhoon in a matter of days, with a million people being evacuated. Jamaica devastated after the worst hurricane for many years. People need to wake up to the fact that it's happening now not millions of years into the future.1 -
Yeah and I agree, I just hope the rate at which people collectively change is quicker than our demise, which realistically is what we are living through the beginnings of now. People are realising and changing is happening but the problem is that currently in western society there is a current trend of right wing politics that aim to divide and conquer. Kill things, hate anything different, consume everything and the rest of the world is being coerced into chasing their money. I can’t believe so many countries have been played!cantersaddick said:
I feel like this a lot but I also have hope that we can fundamentally change that economic system that you describe. It's eating more and more people alive. It will sooner or later go too far and change will come. We can build a better world. I'm sure of it.EugenesAxe said:It will never happen because people like making money too much, which will continue right up until the last resource is drained out of the planet and it’s left empty and dead, and the descendants of those responsible take of in their rocket to Mars.1 -
Without wishing to go down routes discouraged on here. Look up 'extinction burst' it's a term I recently discovered but is what I believe is happening with the rise of the far right. A desperate last ditch attempt for a failing system to cling on to power. I think it will only speed up its ultimate demise and the birth of a new system an better, fairer world.EugenesAxe said:
Yeah and I agree, I just hope the rate at which people collectively change is quicker than our demise, which realistically is what we are living through the beginnings of now. People are realising and changing is happening but the problem is that currently in western society there is a current trend of right wing politics that aim to divide and conquer. Kill things, hate anything different, consume everything and the rest of the world is being coerced into chasing their money. I can’t believe so many countries have been played!cantersaddick said:
I feel like this a lot but I also have hope that we can fundamentally change that economic system that you describe. It's eating more and more people alive. It will sooner or later go too far and change will come. We can build a better world. I'm sure of it.EugenesAxe said:It will never happen because people like making money too much, which will continue right up until the last resource is drained out of the planet and it’s left empty and dead, and the descendants of those responsible take of in their rocket to Mars.2 -
Will look at that.0
